The Donte "Big Ragu" DiVincenzo Thread

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I'm starting to like the trade. When the dust is settled we need Randle to be efficient for it to work. Do we have a spot for KBD? I prefer all of Miller, Shannon and Minott to him. Can we waive him or is he on a guaranteed contract?

[Bernman]

We all get that DDV had great numbers last year particularly the second half of the season. That by no means makes him a PG and we need a PG in the starting lineup more than another SG.

What do the logos in my profile say? They say I saw him play a lot in his early yrs so know he sometimes played the nominal pt at least & can do it passably. He's a good facilitator, though not creator for others. Which is not dissimilar from Conley at this pt.

DiVo can get the ball into spots for Edwards (& Randle) to do damage. If Ant isn't going to be the level of player you can run the ball thru in the halfcourt, you're never going to win a championship anyway. You don't necessarily want pg's to be Hali.

I'm guessing we want him shooting a lot of corner 3s and perhaps less from other places.

You're guessing wrong because the vast majority of players shoot better from the corners on account it's shorter. Should you just stick Curry in the corner because he shoots better there?

And Donte actually shot 46% from the right side above the break, which is a whopping 10% better than league average, & much better than the left corner. Between his strength of facilitating and his shooting there, that'd be the ideal place for him to go.

[KGdaBom]

We all get that DDV had great numbers last year particularly the second half of the season. That by no means makes him a PG and we need a PG in the starting lineup more than another SG.

What do the logos in my profile say? They say I saw him play a lot in his early yrs so know he sometimes played the nominal pt at least & can do it passably. He's a good facilitator, though not creator for others. Which is not dissimilar from Conley at this pt.

DiVo can get the ball into spots for Edwards (& Randle) to do damage. If Ant isn't going to be the level of player you can run the ball thru in the halfcourt, you're never going to win a championship anyway. You don't necessarily want them to be Hali.

I'm guessing we want him shooting a lot of corner 3s and perhaps less from other places.

You're guessing wrong because the vast majority of players shoot better from the corners on account it's shorter. Should you just stick Curry in the corner because he shoots better there?

And Donte actually shot 46% from the right side above the break, which is a whopping 10% better than league average, & much better than the left corner. Between his strength of facilitating and his shooting there, that'd be the ideal place for him to go.

He must really suck from the left above the break to bring his overall % down to 40 . I was being a bit facetious about where I wanted him taking his shots from. I know you can't get all corner 3s. He's not a PG and we want a PG of Conley's ability on the floor. Conley Starts. DDV still gets 30 MPG.

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Do we have a spot for KBD? I prefer all of Miller, Shannon and Minotte to him. Can we waive him or is he on a guaranteed contract?

Keita Bates-Diop picked up his player option in June, so his $2.65 mil is fully guaranteed. If we waive him before opening day, his $2.65 mil will still be on the books, and it would cost is lux tax at the end of the season.

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Do we have a spot for KBD? I prefer all of Miller, Shannon and Minotte to him. Can we waive him or is he on a guaranteed contract?

Keita Bates-Diop picked up his player option in June, so his $2.65 mil is fully guaranteed. If we waive him before opening day, his $2.65 mil will still be on the books, and it would cost is lux tax at the end of the season.

So we're stuck with him unless we can find somebody to take him off our hands. I'd send him for a 2nd round pick.

[minimus]

I think that an underrated part of DDV presence is that McDaniels, Edwards and NAW can now take turns and don't guard opponent best perimeter player like 100% time. Sometimes they both need like 5-10 minutes to catch the break, meanwhile our coaching can give opponent another look. The latest example was Kyrie who looked unstoppable against us: both Edwards and NAW were injured, Edwards was carrying offense and looked exhausted. IMO Kyrie despite being relatively small is very physical. He gave Conley, NAW and even Edwards issues. Beal posted up Conley and NAW with easy. DDV can help here with 10-15 minutes of PoA defense.

Overall our depth is impressive. Not only quantity, but quality.

P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

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P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

I think it increases our guard depth, but Anthony Edwards is going to have to make a major leap as a playmaker if DDV is in the back court with him, and that’s a leap we have yet to see. Randle may help, and I’d like to see Conley-Gobert be one offensive engine, and when Mike rests, Ant-DDV-Randle as the secondary one. This was an area where Ant needed to grow regardless of whether MIN did the trade, but the trade for Dillingham makes me wonder about Ant’s progress.

[minimus]

P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

I think it increases our guard depth, but Anthony Edwards is going to have to make a major leap as a playmaker if DDV is in the back court with him, and that’s a leap we have yet to see. Randle may help, and I’d like to see Conley-Gobert be one offensive engine, and when Mike rests, Ant-DDV-Randle as the secondary one. This was an area where Ant needed to grow regardless of whether MIN did the trade, but the trade for Dillingham makes me wonder about Ant’s progress.

Yeah, Edwards has to improve for sure. But having an elite shooter in your team is a MASSIVE relief. Especially for ballhander, passer. Everything is simpler, smoother. Less double and triple teams, less gap help, less pressure.

[KGdaBom]

I knew DDV was signed to a team friendly deal, but it's ridiculously team friendly. We got him for the next three seasons starting at $11.5M and ending at $12.5M. I'm guessing he would get double that at minimum as a free agent. Probably more.
Here's the Spotrac link.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/26983/donte-divincenzo

[m2002brian]

D & D

Dilly and Donte
Dimes and Daggers

[theGreatRC]

Dante's Inferno was a badass nickname from Mike Breen when he went on his insane 3pt barrage

[KGdaBom]

D & D

Dilly and Donte
Dimes and Daggers

Have you been dancing naked on Hennepin since the trade? I'm liking me some D&D.

[minimus]

P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

I think it increases our guard depth, but Anthony Edwards is going to have to make a major leap as a playmaker if DDV is in the back court with him, and that’s a leap we have yet to see. Randle may help, and I’d like to see Conley-Gobert be one offensive engine, and when Mike rests, Ant-DDV-Randle as the secondary one. This was an area where Ant needed to grow regardless of whether MIN did the trade, but the trade for Dillingham makes me wonder about Ant’s progress.

Yeah, Edwards has to improve for sure. But having an elite shooter in your team is a MASSIVE relief. Especially for ballhander, passer. Everything is simpler, smoother. Less double and triple teams, less gap help, less pressure.

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It was mentioned here. A movement, high volume shooter creates gravity which affects everyone on the floor. In some sense a movement shooter is offense.

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When I heard this, I thought it was a joke. But. Watch video below: on the floor for Knicks Hartenstein, 6'4" DDV, 6'4" Hart, 6'2" McBride, 6'2" Brunson.

Here DDV is not only second biggest player on the floor for Knicks, he also plays as PF, not giving up the play and rebounding the ball against 6'9" Isaiah Jackson



DDV hustle and activity might be a big factor for MIN: because this team must win 50/50 balls, must be able to beat smallball teams in transition and switching game

[DaMplsKid]

I have loved this trade from the moment I saw it but the more I keep reading/hearing and seeing from Donte makes me love it even more.

One thing I haven’t seen anyone point out yet but I am hoping Dilly is watch and learn from Donte’s game. We talk so much about Mike being a great leader for Dilly but in today’s NBA and a guy who played with and learn from not only Curry but also DeAndre Fox too. As a true scorer/ shooting I think Donte can teach Dilly a lot in these areas.

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When I heard this, I thought it was a joke. But. Watch video below: on the floor for Knicks Hartenstein, 6'4" DDV, 6'4" Hart, 6'2" McBride, 6'2" Brunson.

Here DDV is not only second biggest player on the floor for Knicks, he also plays as PF, not giving up the play and rebounding the ball against 6'9" Isaiah Jackson



DDV hustle and activity might be a big factor for MIN: because this team must win 50/50 balls, must be able to beat smallball teams in transition and switching game

I think Hart was technically the PF in those lineups, but absolutely.

I think Donte's toughness and specifically his rebounding is very underrated. Remember that not too long ago, guard rebounding was major struggle. He is a tough SOB out there. Also, he has experience as the POA defender when he was in Golden State.

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I think that many MIN fans (including me) still dont fully realise that TC got basically a prime version of Klay Thompson here. This is absolutely crazy. I am not kidding.

[winforlose]

I think that an underrated part of DDV presence is that McDaniels, Edwards and NAW can now take turns and don't guard opponent best perimeter player like 100% time. Sometimes they both need like 5-10 minutes to catch the break, meanwhile our coaching can give opponent another look. The latest example was Kyrie who looked unstoppable against us: both Edwards and NAW were injured, Edwards was carrying offense and looked exhausted. IMO Kyrie despite being relatively small is very physical. He gave Conley, NAW and even Edwards issues. Beal posted up Conley and NAW with easy. DDV can help here with 10-15 minutes of PoA defense.

Overall our depth is impressive. Not only quantity, but quality.

P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

I like Big Ragu, but his value is not enough to cover the huge bridge between KAT and Randle. KAT can play PF or C, Randle really cannot. Also Randle is a career 33% 3 point shooter and will fit very poorly with Rudy. We are gonna be active at the deadline trying to move Randle or maybe Rudy. Moving Rudy and keeping Randle isn’t that crazy when you talk about building around Ant. Ant wants pace, he wants room to operate in the lane, and he wants people on his timeline. The question is what kind of return could Rudy get, and would it restock the barren pick cupboard?

[minimus]

I think that an underrated part of DDV presence is that McDaniels, Edwards and NAW can now take turns and don't guard opponent best perimeter player like 100% time. Sometimes they both need like 5-10 minutes to catch the break, meanwhile our coaching can give opponent another look. The latest example was Kyrie who looked unstoppable against us: both Edwards and NAW were injured, Edwards was carrying offense and looked exhausted. IMO Kyrie despite being relatively small is very physical. He gave Conley, NAW and even Edwards issues. Beal posted up Conley and NAW with easy. DDV can help here with 10-15 minutes of PoA defense.

Overall our depth is impressive. Not only quantity, but quality.

P.S. DDV trade is particularly for those fans, who were concerned about our PG depth. TC got your back.

I like Big Ragu, but his value is not enough to cover the huge bridge between KAT and Randle.

Randle and Towns are to completely different players to start with. So I think it makes little sense to compare them directly, because this trade has so many other factors. For instance, Towns played 2983 minutes in last two seasons. Anderson played 3739 minutes. Who and how will replace Anderson minutes? My answer it will be Randle and Ingles and they are levels above Anderson in this role, especially with DDV addition.