Kevin Durant

[Domejandro]

I still don't think we're even in the Top 3 most likely destinations for KD.

My best guess is Houston.

I think Minnesota is in the top five, but I think the team to look at might be Dallas, if he doesn't sign off on Houston.

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[BlacJacMac]

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Yeah, in general, I don't like sourcing Sidery because he's more often wrong than right it seems. Just thought it was a good way to lay out the Phoenix side of how a deal gets done.

[Mattya]

With Naz’s play I’m starting to think Gobert is the one they are going to try to trade for Durant. Then a separate deal sending Randle out.

Gobert, Conley, Dillingham and the Detroit pick with Conley going to a third team. That gets the Suns close to getting under the second apron, gets them a center and they were one of the teams targeting Gobert before we traded for him. Plus Dillingha and a first.

Then Randle either opts out or is traded for salary relief and bench help.

[winforlose]

With Naz’s play I’m starting to think Gobert is the one they are going to try to trade for Durant. Then a separate deal sending Randle out.

Gobert, Conley, Dillingham and the Detroit pick with Conley going to a third team. That gets the Suns close to getting under the second apron, gets them a center and they were one of the teams targeting Gobert before we traded for him. Plus Dillingha and a first.

Then Randle either opts out or is traded for salary relief and bench help.

Small ball has looked terrible on us. We have Charlotte 20 offensive rebounds and over 50 paint points. Sending out Rudy has serious consequences. Bringing back Durant creates a hard cap and even moving Randle doesn’t leave a lot of money to replace the starting C. Neither KD nor Naz is a C.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Gsw and LAL don't want to see us in the playoffs bc of Rudy. Rudy straight up for durant would be a mistake, let alone any more assets.

[cmoss84]

This would require a lot of creativity, getting under 2nd apron, and a 4th team...but here is the main idea/framework:
Dallas OUT: PJ Washington, Klay
Dallas IN: Randle
Suns OUT: Durant, waive ?
Suns IN: Rudy, PJ
PUPS OUT: Rudy, Randle, and ? (Mike?)
PUPS IN: Durant and Klay
4th team?
Not sure if this allows $ for Naz. NAW gone.

[Loaf_of_bread]

This would require a lot of creativity, getting under 2nd apron, and a 4th team...but here is the main idea/framework:
Dallas OUT: PJ Washington, Klay
Dallas IN: Randle
Suns OUT: Durant, waive ?
Suns IN: Rudy, PJ
PUPS OUT: Rudy, Randle, and ? (Mike?)
PUPS IN: Durant and Klay
4th team?
Not sure if this allows $ for Naz. NAW gone.

Seems too favorable for dal

[Mattya]

Gsw and LAL don't want to see us in the playoffs bc of Rudy. Rudy straight up for durant would be a mistake, let alone any more assets.

What makes you think teams with Curry or Luka are worried about Rudy.

[younggunsmn]

Gsw and LAL don't want to see us in the playoffs bc of Rudy. Rudy straight up for durant would be a mistake, let alone any more assets.

Um Luka Doncic and Dallas spent an entire series destroying us by scheming their offense to switch Rudy onto him and letting Kyrie torch him in drop coverage all game long.
And then they built a defensive scheme centered around not guarding Rudy Gobert that completely shut us down.

I don't want to give up a single long term asset for Durant but if trading for Durant means getting out of Rudy Gobert's contract sign me up!

Our interior defense SUCKS with our current non-Rudy bigs but that problem is fixable in the offseason using much fewer resources than the huge chunk of the cap currently occupied by Rudy Gobert and his bad back.

[Domejandro]

Gsw and LAL don't want to see us in the playoffs bc of Rudy. Rudy straight up for durant would be a mistake, let alone any more assets.

Um Luka Doncic and Dallas spent an entire series destroying us by scheming their offense to switch Rudy onto him and letting Kyrie torch him in drop coverage all game long.
And then they built a defensive scheme centered around not guarding Rudy Gobert that completely shut us down.

I don't want to give up a single long term asset for Durant but if trading for Durant means getting out of Rudy Gobert's contract sign me up!

Our interior defense SUCKS with our current non-Rudy bigs but that problem is fixable in the offseason using much fewer resources than the huge chunk of the cap currently occupied by Rudy Gobert and his bad back.

That is absolutely not what happened in the Dallas series. Their entire offense was schemed around forcing Rudy Gobert come hedge/switch so that they could exploit Naz Reid and Karl-Anthony Towns being completely inept at helping the helper. Rudy did his job, but his teammates were incapable of rotating over to alleviate the roll threat.

[TimberKat]

With Naz’s play I’m starting to think Gobert is the one they are going to try to trade for Durant. Then a separate deal sending Randle out.

Gobert, Conley, Dillingham and the Detroit pick with Conley going to a third team. That gets the Suns close to getting under the second apron, gets them a center and they were one of the teams targeting Gobert before we traded for him. Plus Dillingha and a first.

Then Randle either opts out or is traded for salary relief and bench help.

Small ball has looked terrible on us. We have Charlotte 20 offensive rebounds and over 50 paint points. Sending out Rudy has serious consequences. Bringing back Durant creates a hard cap and even moving Randle doesn’t leave a lot of money to replace the starting C. Neither KD nor Naz is a C.

Agree, I really don't see Naz as a starting CT. Look at Suns defense. They desperately need a defensive big. It's also funny that the commentators on the NOP game tonight was talking about how more teams are going two bigs like Minnesota. Gobert/KD is a great combo.

[winforlose]

With Naz’s play I’m starting to think Gobert is the one they are going to try to trade for Durant. Then a separate deal sending Randle out.

Gobert, Conley, Dillingham and the Detroit pick with Conley going to a third team. That gets the Suns close to getting under the second apron, gets them a center and they were one of the teams targeting Gobert before we traded for him. Plus Dillingha and a first.

Then Randle either opts out or is traded for salary relief and bench help.

Small ball has looked terrible on us. We have Charlotte 20 offensive rebounds and over 50 paint points. Sending out Rudy has serious consequences. Bringing back Durant creates a hard cap and even moving Randle doesn’t leave a lot of money to replace the starting C. Neither KD nor Naz is a C.

Agree, I really don't see Naz as a starting CT. Look at Suns defense. They desperately need a defensive big. It's also funny that the commentators on the NOP game tonight was talking about how more teams are going two bigs like Minnesota. Gobert/KD is a great combo.

So if you have Gobert/KD does that move Naz to the SF? At which point are we moving Jaden to the SG and Ant to the PG? assuming it was even possible to keep Naz and get KD the situation is just not as simple as we would like. If KD was 31 I would be willing to lose Naz, but not for a 37 year old who is expiring. Naz could easily develop into a 20/10 guy. If Jaden is also a 20/10 guy, and Ant is a top 5 player in the league, that is a solid big 3, and all home grown. With Jaden and Naz on value deals that allows for a real supporting cast to fit in around them. That is the future of the Wolves.

[minimus]

Gsw and LAL don't want to see us in the playoffs bc of Rudy. Rudy straight up for durant would be a mistake, let alone any more assets.

Last year it was more about DEN and OKC. While healthy AD and Luka has been a problem for us. GSW have their own issues, not related to us playing Rudy or not.

[TimberKat]

Small ball has looked terrible on us. We have Charlotte 20 offensive rebounds and over 50 paint points. Sending out Rudy has serious consequences. Bringing back Durant creates a hard cap and even moving Randle doesn’t leave a lot of money to replace the starting C. Neither KD nor Naz is a C.

Agree, I really don't see Naz as a starting CT. Look at Suns defense. They desperately need a defensive big. It's also funny that the commentators on the NOP game tonight was talking about how more teams are going two bigs like Minnesota. Gobert/KD is a great combo.

So if you have Gobert/KD does that move Naz to the SF? At which point are we moving Jaden to the SG and Ant to the PG? assuming it was even possible to keep Naz and get KD the situation is just not as simple as we would like. If KD was 31 I would be willing to lose Naz, but not for a 37 year old who is expiring. Naz could easily develop into a 20/10 guy. If Jaden is also a 20/10 guy, and Ant is a top 5 player in the league, that is a solid big 3, and all home grown. With Jaden and Naz on value deals that allows for a real supporting cast to fit in around them. That is the future of the Wolves.

Assuming we could keep Naz, he is perfect in the sixth man role. KD and Gobert will both get hurt, so he will have enough play time, very much like Norman Powell. With KD we have a max 3 year window to make a run. He is already declining this year but still at all star level. Is Naz ever going to be an all star? I will send Naz and NAW out before send JMcD.

[winforlose]

Agree, I really don't see Naz as a starting CT. Look at Suns defense. They desperately need a defensive big. It's also funny that the commentators on the NOP game tonight was talking about how more teams are going two bigs like Minnesota. Gobert/KD is a great combo.

So if you have Gobert/KD does that move Naz to the SF? At which point are we moving Jaden to the SG and Ant to the PG? assuming it was even possible to keep Naz and get KD the situation is just not as simple as we would like. If KD was 31 I would be willing to lose Naz, but not for a 37 year old who is expiring. Naz could easily develop into a 20/10 guy. If Jaden is also a 20/10 guy, and Ant is a top 5 player in the league, that is a solid big 3, and all home grown. With Jaden and Naz on value deals that allows for a real supporting cast to fit in around them. That is the future of the Wolves.

Assuming we could keep Naz, he is perfect in the sixth man role. KD and Gobert will both get hurt, so he will have enough play time, very much like Norman Powell. With KD we have a max 3 year window to make a run. He is already declining this year but still at all star level. Is Naz ever going to be an all star? I will send Naz and NAW out before send JMcD.

You may think Naz is a 6th man, but does he? When Naz starts he is very capable. He has been behind KAT most of his career. He changed positions to PF only to find we traded for Gobert and buried him in the depth chart. This year he worked on his body to be a 3/4 and hopefully get more minutes in the unicorn lineup. We traded KAT and all the sudden Naz is behind Randle and Rudy. I highly suspect Naz leaves if he does not start next year, and I am not convinced losing Naz for 2 years of KD is a good idea.

[TimberKat]

So if you have Gobert/KD does that move Naz to the SF? At which point are we moving Jaden to the SG and Ant to the PG? assuming it was even possible to keep Naz and get KD the situation is just not as simple as we would like. If KD was 31 I would be willing to lose Naz, but not for a 37 year old who is expiring. Naz could easily develop into a 20/10 guy. If Jaden is also a 20/10 guy, and Ant is a top 5 player in the league, that is a solid big 3, and all home grown. With Jaden and Naz on value deals that allows for a real supporting cast to fit in around them. That is the future of the Wolves.

Assuming we could keep Naz, he is perfect in the sixth man role. KD and Gobert will both get hurt, so he will have enough play time, very much like Norman Powell. With KD we have a max 3 year window to make a run. He is already declining this year but still at all star level. Is Naz ever going to be an all star? I will send Naz and NAW out before send JMcD.

You may think Naz is a 6th man, but does he? When Naz starts he is very capable. He has been behind KAT most of his career. He changed positions to PF only to find we traded for Gobert and buried him in the depth chart. This year he worked on his body to be a 3/4 and hopefully get more minutes in the unicorn lineup. We traded KAT and all the sudden Naz is behind Randle and Rudy. I highly suspect Naz leaves if he does not start next year, and I am not convinced losing Naz for 2 years of KD is a good idea.

Do you think he will be an all star or just love for finding an under valued player? Is he Al Horford or Ryan Anderson? I think he is closer to a prime Ryan Anderson but please don't tell Suns that

Since Feb 1st - Naz's FG% is around 40% and 3pt% around 33%.

[Sealab2024]

Giving up anything of value for KD would be stupid and borderline insane. I get that it would be fun for Ant and us but they're not winning a title with 37 year old Kevin Durant at the 4 therefore giving up anything to get him is just not wise. I want Jaden, Naz, Rob, DDV and TJ Shannon going forward more than I want Twilight KD and I also want Detroits pick this year because we still have core role player needs, salary cap concerns and a lack of future picks.