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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#61 » by Rookie-Mistake » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:57 pm

bluethunder0005 wrote:
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Ant is closer to top 5 than he is to being out of the top 10, especially factoring in Tatum's achilles injury. He needs a way to close the gap to the top 3 of Jokic, Giannis, and SGA. He's already right there with guys like Mitchell and Brunson but I'd take Ant because he can't be hunted on defense like they can.

Team just needs to build a better roster around him. Wolves are fairly deep but Randle (who impressed me this year) is not up to the level of being an elite #2 like Jalen Williams, KAT, or Haliburton/Siakam. Plus as much as I love Rudy, it's clear that being a rim protector and a floor spacer is extremely important once you reach the end of the playoffs and Rudy's lack of offensive ability really hurts.
Statistically, 9 CAT he is closer to 20 (ranked in at 18 this year).


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Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#62 » by Loaf_of_bread » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:12 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:
bluethunder0005 wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Statistically, 9 CAT he is closer to 20 (ranked in at 18 this year).


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Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Who cares about ddv in fantasy bb. Ddv is unfortunately an unreliable playoff bb player.

Yes, you are spot on that ANT around the rim is the biggest flaw in his game, and holding him back from becoming an mvp caliber player.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#63 » by Rookie-Mistake » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:26 pm

Loaf_of_bread wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:
bluethunder0005 wrote:
Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Who cares about ddv in fantasy bb. Ddv is unfortunately an unreliable playoff bb player.

Yes, you are spot on that ANT around the rim is the biggest flaw in his game, and holding him back from becoming an mvp caliber player.
I think we were talking about Dyson Daniels, not DDV.

But yes, finishing at the rim is one way that he can improve FG% and PPG.

I know we need to build around ANT to be a success, but he actually needs to lift his game as well.

Im really intrigued with the point guard position, we won't be getting improvement out of Mike, finch's hesitancy in giving dilly a shot..

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#64 » by Nick K » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:35 am

Glen Taylor bids farewell to Minnesota Timberwolves, ending 30 years as owner!

The NBA Board of Governors is set to vote Tuesday on the deal to approve the transfer of the club from Taylor to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez.

MINNEAPOLIS — "It has been the honor of our lives."

With that simple phrase, businessman Glen Taylor and his wife Becky officially thanked the state of Minnesota and its fans for three decades of support as the Timberwolves sit on the threshold of a new era.

On Tuesday, the NBA Board of Governors will vote on an agreement that transfers the ownership of the Wolves and Lynx to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez, and if approved, the finances of the sale should close within days. Most expect the sale to pass the board.

A message from Taylor appeared on NBA.com Monday morning, celebrating his 30 years of ownership and noting that in the early 90s, Minnesota came close to losing its basketball team. Former owners Marv Wolfenson and Harvey Ratner were on the cusp of selling the Wolves to an out-of-town buyer when Taylor stepped in and purchased the club for a reported $88 million.

"After 30 unforgettable years, our time as owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Lynx has come to a close," Taylor wrote. "This marks the end of an extraordinary chapter in our lives – one filled with purpose, pride, and a deep connection."
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It's too bad his final moments had to end in such a bad light.

I'll remember him for keeping the team here. I'll also remember him for making so many bonehead decisions.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#65 » by Loaf_of_bread » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:36 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:
Loaf_of_bread wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Who cares about ddv in fantasy bb. Ddv is unfortunately an unreliable playoff bb player.

Yes, you are spot on that ANT around the rim is the biggest flaw in his game, and holding him back from becoming an mvp caliber player.
I think we were talking about Dyson Daniels, not DDV.

But yes, finishing at the rim is one way that he can improve FG% and PPG.

I know we need to build around ANT to be a success, but he actually needs to lift his game as well.

Im really intrigued with the point guard position, we won't be getting improvement out of Mike, finch's hesitancy in giving dilly a shot..

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I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the previous posts. Dyson Daniels is more than likely untouchable.

Would be nice to know Mike's level of commitment next year. If he is all in, ok, let's roll with you and rob.

If not, we try to get tyus. Or, somehow take whatever value we can get out of Julius for a pg.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#66 » by WolfAddict » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:37 am

Nick K wrote:Glen Taylor bids farewell to Minnesota Timberwolves, ending 30 years as owner!

The NBA Board of Governors is set to vote Tuesday on the deal to approve the transfer of the club from Taylor to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez.

MINNEAPOLIS — "It has been the honor of our lives."

With that simple phrase, businessman Glen Taylor and his wife Becky officially thanked the state of Minnesota and its fans for three decades of support as the Timberwolves sit on the threshold of a new era.

On Tuesday, the NBA Board of Governors will vote on an agreement that transfers the ownership of the Wolves and Lynx to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez, and if approved, the finances of the sale should close within days. Most expect the sale to pass the board.

A message from Taylor appeared on NBA.com Monday morning, celebrating his 30 years of ownership and noting that in the early 90s, Minnesota came close to losing its basketball team. Former owners Marv Wolfenson and Harvey Ratner were on the cusp of selling the Wolves to an out-of-town buyer when Taylor stepped in and purchased the club for a reported $88 million.

"After 30 unforgettable years, our time as owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Lynx has come to a close," Taylor wrote. "This marks the end of an extraordinary chapter in our lives – one filled with purpose, pride, and a deep connection."
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It's too bad his final moments had to end in such a bad light.

I'll remember him for keeping the team here. I'll also remember him for making so many bonehead decisions.

Forgive my naivety, but what happens if the board vote 'No'?
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#67 » by Nick K » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:44 am

Loaf_of_bread wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:
bluethunder0005 wrote:
Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Who cares about ddv in fantasy bb. Ddv is unfortunately an unreliable playoff bb player.

Yes, you are spot on that ANT around the rim is the biggest flaw in his game, and holding him back from becoming an mvp caliber player.


You can bet he'll be much improved at that this year.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#68 » by Nick K » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:47 am

WolfAddict wrote:
Nick K wrote:Glen Taylor bids farewell to Minnesota Timberwolves, ending 30 years as owner!

The NBA Board of Governors is set to vote Tuesday on the deal to approve the transfer of the club from Taylor to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez.

MINNEAPOLIS — "It has been the honor of our lives."

With that simple phrase, businessman Glen Taylor and his wife Becky officially thanked the state of Minnesota and its fans for three decades of support as the Timberwolves sit on the threshold of a new era.

On Tuesday, the NBA Board of Governors will vote on an agreement that transfers the ownership of the Wolves and Lynx to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez, and if approved, the finances of the sale should close within days. Most expect the sale to pass the board.

A message from Taylor appeared on NBA.com Monday morning, celebrating his 30 years of ownership and noting that in the early 90s, Minnesota came close to losing its basketball team. Former owners Marv Wolfenson and Harvey Ratner were on the cusp of selling the Wolves to an out-of-town buyer when Taylor stepped in and purchased the club for a reported $88 million.

"After 30 unforgettable years, our time as owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Lynx has come to a close," Taylor wrote. "This marks the end of an extraordinary chapter in our lives – one filled with purpose, pride, and a deep connection."
-------------------------------

It's too bad his final moments had to end in such a bad light.

I'll remember him for keeping the team here. I'll also remember him for making so many bonehead decisions.

Forgive my naivety, but what happens if the board vote 'No'?


Good question. What happens if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
This is a done deal and the league loves the new ownership. No reason not to approve.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#69 » by Loaf_of_bread » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:48 am

Crazy the ROI of owning sport franchises over the years. Will probably calm down now, but damn, anyone that invested made a killing.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#70 » by WolfAddict » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:52 am

Nick K wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
Nick K wrote:Glen Taylor bids farewell to Minnesota Timberwolves, ending 30 years as owner!

The NBA Board of Governors is set to vote Tuesday on the deal to approve the transfer of the club from Taylor to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez.

MINNEAPOLIS — "It has been the honor of our lives."

With that simple phrase, businessman Glen Taylor and his wife Becky officially thanked the state of Minnesota and its fans for three decades of support as the Timberwolves sit on the threshold of a new era.

On Tuesday, the NBA Board of Governors will vote on an agreement that transfers the ownership of the Wolves and Lynx to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez, and if approved, the finances of the sale should close within days. Most expect the sale to pass the board.

A message from Taylor appeared on NBA.com Monday morning, celebrating his 30 years of ownership and noting that in the early 90s, Minnesota came close to losing its basketball team. Former owners Marv Wolfenson and Harvey Ratner were on the cusp of selling the Wolves to an out-of-town buyer when Taylor stepped in and purchased the club for a reported $88 million.

"After 30 unforgettable years, our time as owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Lynx has come to a close," Taylor wrote. "This marks the end of an extraordinary chapter in our lives – one filled with purpose, pride, and a deep connection."
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It's too bad his final moments had to end in such a bad light.

I'll remember him for keeping the team here. I'll also remember him for making so many bonehead decisions.

Forgive my naivety, but what happens if the board vote 'No'?


Good question. What happens if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
This is a done deal and the league loves the new ownership. No reason not to approve.

Oh I get that it's more than likely pretty much pre-approved, was just curious if the hypothetical "sun doesn't come up tomorrow" scenario were to happen.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#71 » by Nick K » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:55 am

Loaf_of_bread wrote:Crazy the ROI of owning sport franchises over the years. Will probably calm down now, but damn, anyone that invested made a killing.


Hard to believe. In 1978 or so Jerry Buss buys the LA Lakers and the LA Kings hockey club for 68 million. His family just sold it for 10 billion dollars. Thats 10 thousand million dollars. Hard to fathom really.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#72 » by Nick K » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:58 am

WolfAddict wrote:
Nick K wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:Forgive my naivety, but what happens if the board vote 'No'?


Good question. What happens if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
This is a done deal and the league loves the new ownership. No reason not to approve.

Oh I get that it's more than likely pretty much pre-approved, was just curious if the hypothetical "sun doesn't come up tomorrow" scenario were to happen.


Sorry...you didn't get it like it was intended. Regards.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#73 » by Loaf_of_bread » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:00 am

Nick K wrote:
Loaf_of_bread wrote:Crazy the ROI of owning sport franchises over the years. Will probably calm down now, but damn, anyone that invested made a killing.


Hard to believe. In 1978 or so Jerry Buss buys the LA Lakers and the LA Kings hockey club for 68 million. His family just sold it for 10 billion dollars. Thats 10 thousand million dollars. Hard to fathom really.

Sure is. Millions in comparison to billions is a phenomenon that most cannot comprehend.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#74 » by WolfAddict » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:01 am

Nick K wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
Nick K wrote:
Good question. What happens if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
This is a done deal and the league loves the new ownership. No reason not to approve.

Oh I get that it's more than likely pretty much pre-approved, was just curious if the hypothetical "sun doesn't come up tomorrow" scenario were to happen.


Sorry...you didn't get it like it was intended. Regards.

Oh, ok... How was it intended?
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#75 » by Slim Tubby » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:22 am

Does Gafford's new 3/$60M deal raise the cost of retaining Reid?

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#76 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:31 am

Slim Tubby wrote:Does Gafford's new 3/$60M deal raise the cost of retaining Reid?

Not necessarily.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#77 » by bluethunder0005 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:43 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:
bluethunder0005 wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Statistically, 9 CAT he is closer to 20 (ranked in at 18 this year).


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Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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I mean yeah Dyson had a great season, but to act like he's a top 30 basketball player and better than someone like Brunson is wild. He's not top 50. Wemby is closer to 10th than he is top 5, Giannis is top 3 at a minimum, etc. Fantasy rewards categories more where things are rarer. Blocks and steals are likely the most valuable fantasy categories. It's just too flawed of a system to determine an actual ranking of true player ability. The only players that are definitively better than Ant in the NBA are Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, Tatum, and potentially Steph.

I do agree that he needs to continue to improve. I'd like for the finishing to get much better and I'd like for him to work on a mid range shot again.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#78 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:12 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:
bluethunder0005 wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Statistically, 9 CAT he is closer to 20 (ranked in at 18 this year).


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Are you using fantasy basketball rankings to determine his rank? Because thats a horrible way to determine where someone is ranked. Fantasy values 1 rebound or 1 assist more than 2 points which wouldn't be the case in actual basketball where they'd all have similar value. Fantasy basketball rankings would tell you Dyson Daniels is better than Jalen Brunson and that's obviously not the case.
1. Jokic
2. Wembanyana
3. SGA

Without getting into a stats debate, I actually think fantasy is a pretty good indicator.

And BTW, DD had an absolutely amazing season and would love him on our team. I guess my point is that ANT has to improve. His finshing at the rim in the playoffs was horrible.

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Fantasy stats are a pretty good indicator of the talent of a player. There will of course be a few anomalies.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#79 » by Nick K » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:13 am

WolfAddict wrote:
Nick K wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:Forgive my naivety, but what happens if the board vote 'No'?


Good question. What happens if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow?
This is a done deal and the league loves the new ownership. No reason not to approve.

Oh I get that it's more than likely pretty much pre-approved, was just curious if the hypothetical "sun doesn't come up tomorrow" scenario were to happen.


Then we are all going to die.

The NBA’s Board of Governors welcomed Lore and Rodriguez’s ownership group into the exclusive club on Tuesday when the league announced it had unanimously approved the sale.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#80 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:51 am

Loaf_of_bread wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:
Loaf_of_bread wrote:
Who cares about ddv in fantasy bb. Ddv is unfortunately an unreliable playoff bb player.

Yes, you are spot on that ANT around the rim is the biggest flaw in his game, and holding him back from becoming an mvp caliber player.
I think we were talking about Dyson Daniels, not DDV.

But yes, finishing at the rim is one way that he can improve FG% and PPG.

I know we need to build around ANT to be a success, but he actually needs to lift his game as well.

Im really intrigued with the point guard position, we won't be getting improvement out of Mike, finch's hesitancy in giving dilly a shot..

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I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the previous posts. Dyson Daniels is more than likely untouchable.

Would be nice to know Mike's level of commitment next year. If he is all in, ok, let's roll with you and rob.

If not, we try to get tyus. Or, somehow take whatever value we can get out of Julius for a pg.


I,m concerned a bout the PG position. Mike s great, smart. leadership but he is 38 years old and can't play 70 games at 25-28 min and be 100% at PO time. I'm all in to try Rob more but i do not forget that last year when Finch five him a go, he was shooting 15% at 3 and providing no defense....if Mike go down and Rob does not improve a lot, we have a huge problem. Getting Tyus is a good solution. We can still save some min for Rob and see how he improve.

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