Bucher: Minnesota a darkhorse for McGrady

[SSUBluesman]

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LOL you mean like the huge packages it took to get Vince in NJ and Baron in GS? Okay.

And then we have Shrink claiming that picks in the 20's and lack of cap flexibility doesn't get you stars...yet that's exactly what PHI took for AI. They have Andre Miller for another year, sold one pick off, and ended up with Jason Smith.

First of all MIN shouldn't even think of touching T-Mac. Aren't we rebuilding? What does T-Mac do, other than take us to yearly first round eliminations (again)? We still have an incredibly young team, a moron for a coach, and an even bigger moron for a gm/player personnel head.

If this trade is going to happen, it should happen for a lot less than Shad/Theo and a 1st. It should happen, but then again McHale should have been fired years ago. KG should have never been forced out. Point being that if T-Mac is on the block it is because the experiment FAILED and they don't they can win with him and Yao. He will have injury questions and personal questions (playoff chokes and evidently what's being pulled from the HOU board) to further weigh down his value. It's quite clear he's much closer to VC/Baron than he is to KG as far as his value and the reasons for his departure.

If this were to happen, I hope everyone here considers one thing as to this franchise: they were unwilling to pay KG but were willing to pay T-Mac.

[Krapinsky]

Here's a scenario I might be interested in. If we can get McGrady and match him up with Jefferson, maybe we can get another superstar in the offseason with our #1?

Let's say we give up McCant's + Boston's #1 + Rights to Miami's #1 + Jaric + Walker for McGrady and Novak.

At that point if we go the #1 pick we'd have to take Rose.
Rose/Foye/TMac/Jefferson/Ratliff

But lets say we get the #3 or #4 pick. At that point we could consider bringing in another superstar for our pick + a sign and trade of Theo Ratliff. We could make our own big three similar to what Boston did last year. But who could we get? Would Okafor be enough?
Foye/Brewer/TMac/Jefferson/Okafor

Who's out there that could be had? We'd need a 5 or a 1 probably.

Maybe at that point the Suns will have had it with Stoudemire. Our pick + a future #1 + Ratliff for Stoudemire?

Foye/Brewer/McGrady/Jefferson/Stoudemire (alright, admittedly I'm seriously dreaming on this one)

Anyway, you get the idea. If we were to get McGrady, what else could we do to potentially bring in a third superstar?

[shrink]

And then we have Shrink claiming that picks in the 20's and lack of cap flexibility doesn't get you stars...yet that's exactly what PHI took for AI.

I'm sorry -- where is the cap flexibility? When KG signed that big contract, we had he and one other player (Brandon, Szczerbiak, etc) locking up a huge chunk of our cap, and still need 10-13 more players to fill the roster. Where does that money come from? How do we make these $20 mil/year payments to guys like Iverson, Kidd, or Baron Davis?

[SSUBluesman]

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I'm sorry -- where is the cap flexibility?

Sitting in Dre Miller's very fat wallet?

[theGreatRC]

Here's a scenario I might be interested in. If we can get McGrady and match him up with Jefferson, maybe we can get another superstar in the offseason with our #1?

Let's say we give up McCant's + Boston's #1 + Rights to Miami's #1 + Jaric + Walker for McGrady and Novak.

Would that package be enough for T-Mac?

Also, I just don't know. T-Mac is injured every year at least a month per year, if not more.

I wouldn't complain if we somehow landed him, but i'm not jumping out of my seat, either.

[GopherIt!]

This is just a crazy rumor. The Wolves are rebuilding. Superstars win titles. The last 25 champions had a former top three draft pick who was critical to their title run. hopefully we land the next CP3 and not the next Laettner.

[TheFranchise21]

McGrady has already admitted going half speed while playing with the Magic. Does he have the patience to sit around and wait 2-3 years for the #1 pick to develop?

[big3_8_19_21]

Answer: no he doesn't.

Question: Are the Wolves that dumb or is Bucher that dumb?

[shrink]

Answer: no he doesn't.

Question: Are the Wolves that dumb or is Bucher that dumb?

Chris Sheridan put Ratliff on his list of the Ten Most Likely Players to be Drafted last month, so maybe Bucher was looking at which teams had the biggest expirings? I think this is totally invented.

[Klomp]

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Chris Sheridan put Ratliff on his list of the Ten Most Likely Players to be Drafted last month, so maybe Bucher was looking at which teams had the biggest expirings? I think this is totally invented.

Traded, not drafted

[SSUBluesman]

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I'm sorry -- where is the cap flexibility? When KG signed that big contract, we had he and one other player (Brandon, Szczerbiak, etc) locking up a huge chunk of our cap, and still need 10-13 more players to fill the roster. Where does that money come from? How do we make these $20 mil/year payments to guys like Iverson, Kidd, or Baron Davis?

I didn't see this part of the post, hence my reply (as I wasn't entirely sure what you were getting at). I would have replied earlier but my internet availability is really shaky.

First of all, I was specifically referring to what PHI took for AI. Unlike most teams, PHI was willing to take on some contracts, hence why Dre Miller is there. AI was a deal that could have and should have been done, but the team (i.e. Taylor and his lackey McFail) had resigned itself to rebuilding.

Secondly, how exactly did we bring in Sam and Spree? Combined they made around the 20 mil you reference, AND we had Wally's deal still here. If teams are willing to, they can (more often than not) find ways to make things work (Sam and Spree, again). The fact is that since Sam and Spree (see Taylor's incessant whining about it's "failure") the team has not wanted to find a way to get things done, and recently (the last 2-3 seasons) been focused on rebuilding.

[shrink]

We got Sam and Spree here when Brandon's big deal was finally expiring, and Taylor went over the lux, so this is the opposite of what you're saying.

We also traded Wally and Kandi's expiring deal for Blount and Davis -- again Taylor tried to get talent and didn't let the deal expire and save the money.

Was there any other time we had a big expiring deal to try to bring in talent?

[deeney0]

Googs, but they tried their best to deal that one, too.

[Worm Guts]

Googs, but they tried their best to deal that one, too.

What? The Wolves never tried to trade Googs, they tried sign him.

[revprodeji]

I believe at the time there was a rumor going around that the Lakers offered Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell, but McHale would not deal with the lakers.

Just what I remember.

[4ho5ive]

I remember that being the rumor as well. Im not sure if I heard it here through the grapevine or what, but I have heard that deal several times in the past.

[deeney0]

What rev said.

[karch34]

I believe at the time there was a rumor going around that the Lakers offered Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell, but McHale would not deal with the lakers.

Just what I remember.

It was also rumored that Eddie Jones didn't want to play here, which is why the deal was nixed. However, right after Eddie Jones was asked directly about that and he said that he would've loved to play in MN. So the McHale not wanting to deal with the Lakers might have been the real reason, but used the Eddie Jones not wanting to come as the cover up.

[revprodeji]

Eddie was under contract. Who cares. That was before players held out of trades.

[shrink]

This discussion makes me feel old.