Pre-Draft Thread / Workout Updates

Howard Cosell · Post #601 » by **Howard Cosell** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:56 am

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/

•The Cavs are seriously considering Alex Len, Anthony Bennett, Ben McLemore, Nerlens Noel, and Otto Porter for the top pick, with Victor Oladipo as a long shot, the Plain Dealer's Terry Pluto writes. While Noel was long thought to be the slam-dunk No. 1 pick, the Cavs' desire to win this year coupled with concerns over his ACL injury have them considering other options.
•Oladipo will work out for the Cavs next week, but he's declined an invitation from the Wizards to work out at their home arena and prefers to have the team audition him at a location of his choosing, reports Michael Lee of The Washington Post. Oladipo's camp doesn't believe the Wizards will draft him third overall.

Oladipo falling to #4 in the draft is becoming more and more realistic.

What would it take to get Dallas's 13th pick and use it in a trade with our 9th to get Charlotte's 4th pick?

Would a Ridnour (4.3Mil) + Cunningham(2.2Mil) + Stiemsma (2.7Mil) + 26 for Marion (9.3Mil) and 13 get it done?

Dallas wants to dump salary for FA for 2013/14. This deal would save them 5Mil, with Ridnour expiring after next season.

Then the Wolves would do 13 + 9 + Williams for Byiombo + 4.

PG-Rubio/Shved
SG- #4Oladipo/Barea/Lee
SF-Budinger/Marion (AK47 is opting out)
PF-Love/Byiombo
C-Pekovich/Johnson/

What say you?

Howard Cosell · Post #602 » by **Howard Cosell** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:14 am

Greg Hammer @GCHammer 53m

"@DarrenWolfson: @GCHammer So the trading up to get Oladipo talk really has a backbone? Do you believe DWill is a legit #5 pick this year?

@DarrenWolfson

@GCHammer According to multiple people directly involved, I have every reason to believe it has legs. Flip likes Oladipo a lot

Gotta believe!!!

NikolaPekovic · Post #603 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:24 am

righterwriter wrote:Sorry, I meant to write... absolutely you'll sneak into the top tier of the draft by dangling the great Derrick Williams and the highly coveted #9 pick.

Lets see how this one shakes out. We'll discuss it again after the draft, yeah?

Youre right. We will just give you thr 9th pick and dwill for marcus thorton instead.

AQuintus · Post #604 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:41 am

righterwriter wrote:But Charlotte most certainly will pick VO, as they need a scoring SG

Liver_Pooty · Post #605 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:18 am

Charlotte fan here. Most of us have no interest at all in trading down for Williams and 9

We are reportedly very high on Len/Bennett. Our front court has been pathetic for years, and assuming we resign Henderson him along with MKG and Walker are solid building blocks.

Were also (according to Sam Amico) been in talks with Bucks about their 15th pick while keeping our 4th.

Id say try to trade up to 5, but the Suns like him a lot also.

Mattya · Post #606 » by **Mattya** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:59 am

Not many of us are interested in trading Williams and 9 for the 4, with out getting something back, so....

Post #607 » by **Calinks** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:18 am

Oladipo's size really scared me. 6'4" SG? We haven't had a lot of luck with undersized 2's or 3's. Will he even be able to handle the bigger stronger wings defensively?

Tirion · Post #608 » by **Tirion** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:59 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Charlotte fan here. Most of us have no interest at all in trading down for Williams and 9

We are reportedly very high on Len/Bennett. Our front court has been pathetic for years, and assuming we resign Henderson him along with MKG and Walker are solid building blocks.

Were also (according to Sam Amico) been in talks with Bucks about their 15th pick while keeping our 4th.

Id say try to trade up to 5, but the Suns like him a lot also.

lol, of course you are.

NikolaPekovic · Post #609 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:34 am

Teams should stop thinking we are so desperate that we would do them a favor in trading up xD

I am perfectly content with getting KCP.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #610 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:30 am

I'm probably more sold on Len than I am on Oladipo. I think Len brings a skill-set that is harder to find. He could be a very good starting center in the league that can play both sides of the ball and protect the rim. Obviously we need a shooting guard more than a center, but I like Len better than Oladipo. I'd be incredibly happy if we left draft night with Len and Ledo.

Of course I would be happy with Oladipo or McLemore in a trade-up scenario, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we snag Len and have another plan to fill in our SG spot. I'm also pretty high on McCollum if JJ and/or Luke can be moved. Staying at 9, KCP seems like the sensible but unexciting choice.

Ledo, Muscala and Karasev are my horses for the #26. The Hardaway/Bullock/Crabbe type crew all feel like they project to have an Ellington-like impact, where Ledo, Muscala and Karasev seem more boom-or-bust with a chance to be real impact players, which is good in the late 1st.

Nitroglycerin · Post #611 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:27 am

I dont see Len falling to #9.
Zeller, Muhammad, KCP and McCollum are the ones that are availabale with our pick imo
getting Ledo or Karasev at #26 would be awesome

Dewey · Post #612 » by **Dewey** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:54 am

Calinks wrote:Oladipo's size really scared me. 6'4" SG? We haven't had a lot of luck with undersized 2's or 3's. Will he even be able to handle the bigger stronger wings defensively?

I've pondered this as well, but Flip has openly ackowledged that size is an issue to a point ... some players simply play big (power). Oladipo is very athletic and strong by nature, so apparently Flip believes he will be a very good NBA-style player. Guess we'll see.

My question is ... Is Oladipo a legit goto guy?

righterwriter · Post #613 » by **righterwriter** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:00 pm

He's definitely not a go to guy, imo. But he could be a decent #2 scorer and a very good #3 scorer. I imagine he'll be around 16ppg for most of his career if things go well. But he will bring a ton defensively and with his intangibles. I think he could be an important piece of a team for 10 years or more, although probably never an all-star.

I think he develops into something between Wes Mathews and Michael Finley.

[RCG] · Post #614 » by **[RCG]** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:39 pm

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/391577-phoenix-eyeing-7-footer?eref=sihp

If they like Adams a lot, I'd be more than happy to send them #9 & #26 for #5!

Grits n Gravy · Post #615 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:42 pm

I'm not worried about Oladipo's size at all. You have (when healthy) one of the better offensive 2 guards in the league in Eric Gordon at 6'2 without shoes and then have one of(probably the best) defensive 2 guards in Tony Allen at 6'3.5 without shoes. Oladipo has long arms and is extremely athletic so I think he'll be fine. Still given the choice I'm definitely taking Mclemore before Dipo but hell I'll take Dipo any day of the week.

Howard Cosell · Post #616 » by **Howard Cosell** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:51 pm

[RCG] wrote:http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/391577-phoenix-eyeing-7-footer?eref=sihp

If they like Adams a lot, I'd be more than happy to send them #9 & #26 for #5!

Yes, if BMC or VO is still there at 5 this would be a no brainer for both teams IMO.

Howard Cosell · Post #617 » by **Howard Cosell** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:14 pm

or maybe.......

Minnesota IN: PHX 30th pick overall + PHX 5th pick overall + Luis Scola (4.5Mil) (4.9Mil)

Minnesota OUT: MINN 26th pick overall + MINN 9th pick overall + Derrick Williams (5.0Mil) (6.3Mil)

PHX IN: MINN 26th pick overall + MINN 9th pick overall + Derrick Williams (5.0Mil) (6.3Mil)

PHX OUT: PHX 30th pick overall + PHX 5th pick overall + Luis Scola (4.5Mil) (4.9Mil)

Derrick Williams is of higher value than Scola at this time in both mens career but this would bring Williams back home and would enable the Suns to take Adams with the 9th pick, and they would move up 4 spots late in the 1st round. Scola at PF will play more minutes behind Love than Williams at SF/PF and this would free up Cunningham's Contract for the Wolves to move in another trade.

What say you?

Post #618 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:33 pm

Calinks wrote:Oladipo's size really scared me. 6'4" SG? We haven't had a lot of luck with undersized 2's or 3's. Will he even be able to handle the bigger stronger wings defensively?

He's only a half inch shorter than McLemore with the same standing reach but he weighs 24 pounds more and is much stronger. btw, KCP has the same standing reach as well.

Post #619 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:37 pm

Calinks wrote:Oladipo's size really scared me. 6'4" SG? We haven't had a lot of luck with undersized 2's or 3's. Will he even be able to handle the bigger stronger wings defensively?

Well he's just a quarter-inch shorter than McLemore, so I'm guessing you'll be concerned with his size too.

EDIT: And he's a quarter-inch shorter than likely the best wing defender in the NBA Tony Allen (same weight too)

Howard Cosell · Post #620 » by **Howard Cosell** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:57 pm

I've just been told on the PHX board that Scola can't be traded until July 1st so they trade I listed involving Williams & Scola would not work.