Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Alwaysrightguy]

If Butler is still on the team at the home opener, he’s gonna get booed pretty hard, right?

I'll stand and clap

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[Alwaysrightguy]

Man I want Lavine, Dunn, and Markkanen back

Add Ricky too while your at it and enjoy waiting out for the next great lottery pick failure

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[shrink]

"I’m a T-Wolf for life, man," Garnett said. "I’m ‘Sota for life. I’ve always wanted better for not only the city and the franchise, but Wigs, KAT, those are my guys. I root for those guys. Gorgui Dieng. Those are my guys. I’m just hoping they can get through this rough patch and everybody can get on the same patch and figure it out. It’s a **** storm up there."

KG for coach immediately. Derrick Rose is starting either way.

If Jimmy’s behavior doesn’t even have KG rooting for him, who’s emotional like that and distrusts the front office, then Jimmy’s antics really didn’t help himself.

[dean456]

His value isnt going to get any higher the longer this goes into the season. If it gets to the trade deadline Miami arent going to trade assets away if he will just sign here once he opts out. If he wants to be in Miami no other team is going to offer you much for a half season of Butler.

His trade value will remain high because only a few teams will be able to acquire him outright and these teams will be looking to make a move on more than just one NBA Allstar. Don't believe the hype, Butler wants the max he can get on the market. It's goes beyond just the money, it's about the status and we all know by now, that he is a full blown DIVA!

The tread deadline or even the offseason would be the best time for the Wolves to hit the reset button. I think we're going to go as far as we can with this current team and then REHAB, to REBUILD. If the Wolves are not in prime playoff position come the trade deadline, you can position yourself pretty good with the contracts of Butler, Gibson, Deng, and Rose at the deadline as veteran help on a playoff team and maybe unload Teague and Dieng in the process. I was watching Chris Carter on some sport show and he made an interesting point. You're already committed to Towns and Wiggins with the contract you gave them. Now is the time to build around them. Towns and Wiggins are offensive minded players, so our focus should be surrounding them with defensive minded players. You have one already in Okogie at SG, now we need to find an athletic PF or C (Adebayo anybody) to pair with towns. We may have it on the roster already if we can get Patton healthy.

In summary, let's just go wherever this season is going to take us and make those decision down the road. Either way, having Butler's Bird Rights will keep us in prime position to trade him for value in some form.

I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.

I'm not sure Riley would even do Bam for Jimmy straight up even if the salaries matched. Everyone from the Heat can't talk more highly about what they think he's on track to become. They all talk about his work ethic and how strong he is for a 21 year old.

[PharmD]

He is especially close with KAT, who just signed a five-year, $190-million contract. The two bigs still talk regularly and KG lauded Towns’ work ethic, though he wonders if he spends too much time "trying to be everybody’s friend." Learning how and when to assert and demand and control things like that can be tricky, but Garnett challenges Towns to push himself further than he thinks he can go.

"KAT has good leadership skills because he works hard," Garnett said. "It’s whether he wants to vocalize those, which is his next challenge as a leader, to me."

[Macwolf527]

His value isnt going to get any higher the longer this goes into the season. If it gets to the trade deadline Miami arent going to trade assets away if he will just sign here once he opts out. If he wants to be in Miami no other team is going to offer you much for a half season of Butler.

His trade value will remain high because only a few teams will be able to acquire him outright and these teams will be looking to make a move on more than just one NBA Allstar. Don't believe the hype, Butler wants the max he can get on the market. It's goes beyond just the money, it's about the status and we all know by now, that he is a full blown DIVA!

The tread deadline or even the offseason would be the best time for the Wolves to hit the reset button. I think we're going to go as far as we can with this current team and then REHAB, to REBUILD. If the Wolves are not in prime playoff position come the trade deadline, you can position yourself pretty good with the contracts of Butler, Gibson, Deng, and Rose at the deadline as veteran help on a playoff team and maybe unload Teague and Dieng in the process. I was watching Chris Carter on some sport show and he made an interesting point. You're already committed to Towns and Wiggins with the contract you gave them. Now is the time to build around them. Towns and Wiggins are offensive minded players, so our focus should be surrounding them with defensive minded players. You have one already in Okogie at SG, now we need to find an athletic PF or C (Adebayo anybody) to pair with towns. We may have it on the roster already if we can get Patton healthy.

In summary, let's just go wherever this season is going to take us and make those decision down the road. Either way, having Butler's Bird Rights will keep us in prime position to trade him for value in some form.

I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.

I'm not sure Riley would even do Bam for Jimmy straight up even if the salaries matched. Everyone from the Heat can't talk more highly about what they think he's on track to become. They all talk about his work ethic and how strong he is for a 21 year old.

I was using him as an example. I don't expect Miami to trade BAM for Jimmy, because I wouldn't. I just don't like Waiters as a part of that trade because I want that time to go to Okogie. Adebayo is going to be special. If there was a way to get him from Miami, I would jump all over it.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Its one thing to look like "Hey people aren't treating me right and my teammates are trash." That way you can still defend your character and spin it as passion and not being treated with proper respect. Saying "Minnesota sucks, I'm bored, I want a cooler city." Opens you up to a lot more ridicule. This is just pure speculation on my part but I really feel he doesn't like Minnesota and he doesn't like playing with Thibs and our system. He just wants to bounce and these speculated reasons are more about painting his desire to leave in a better light for his reputation. They probably are factors but I think they are way smaller than the main one being he just doesn't like it here and would rather be in several other cities. Again my read on the situation, no sources lol.

Yeah, the living in minnesota angle probably is more than jimmy is letting on.

Hes full hollywood and living in minnesota just doesnt have the bright lights that he desires. Its great for guys like kat and wiggs who love the type of life that living in minnesota has to offer.

I'm pretty sure KAT would like brighter lights as well

Kat wants attention. But i don't think he really craves that hollywood lifestyle of clubs and such. Kat and wiggs are basically about staying at home gaming or chilling with family and playing with their dogs.

[dean456]

Except that Miami don't have the room to sign him in the offseason, which is why they're trying to trade for him.

If room needs to be made to accommodate Jimmy we will make the trades we need to we can just package the assets you guys didn't take with a couple others to free up space.

You’re going to get $30 mil under the cap, with those two and three year deals?!?

Prove it. Let me see your plan.

I don’t have a problem if Thibs and Riley can’t agree on a price. Happens all the time. However, nobody believes that MIA can clear the cap space needed to make a bid on him in free agency.

Cap is projected to be at 109mil next year,
We have 122mil committed in salary next season,
If Dragic opts out of his player option to get one last contract which is likely that will take off 19mil putting us 6mil under the cap
Then if we trade Whiteside + a pick if need be for expiring contracts removes another 27mil. (Whiteside only has next year left on his contract which teams could want for Anthony Davis in 2020) This puts us somewhere around 33mil under the cap which I believe is somewhere around Jimmy's max for next season.

I know there are other things I'm not factoring in but I can't be stuffed going through everything to make sure its perfect. But my point is it won't be too difficult for us to get the money for Jimmy.

[PharmD]

There's no way Dragic is opting out of 19M to take a 3/24 or whatever

[shrink]

There's no way Dragic is opting out of 19M to take a 3/24 or whatever

And trading away their pick to move Whiteside for an expiring, if someone wants to make that trade, it would need to be done in February, long before Jimmy picks a team.

And of course, they have to waive Justise Winslow, because his cap hold would be too high, and get rid of the cap hold for the 2019 MLE, then they appear to like McGruder ...

[dean456]

There's no way Dragic is opting out of 19M to take a 3/24 or whatever

sorry double post please delete

[dean456]

There's no way Dragic is opting out of 19M to take a 3/24 or whatever

He would have to way up whether he can get more guaranteed money over multiple years than he could taking 19mil from us and trying to get a new contract after that. I think he can get more than 3/24 next season personally.

[mplsfonz23]

Kat and wiggs are basically about staying at home gaming or chilling with family and playing with their dogs.

Wigs might put in more work at the gym now that he going to have a kid around.

[twolves31]

If room needs to be made to accommodate Jimmy we will make the trades we need to we can just package the assets you guys didn't take with a couple others to free up space.

You’re going to get $30 mil under the cap, with those two and three year deals?!?

Prove it. Let me see your plan.

I don’t have a problem if Thibs and Riley can’t agree on a price. Happens all the time. However, nobody believes that MIA can clear the cap space needed to make a bid on him in free agency.

Cap is projected to be at 109mil next year,
We have 122mil committed in salary next season,
If Dragic opts out of his player option to get one last contract which is likely that will take off 19mil putting us 6mil under the cap
Then if we trade Whiteside + a pick if need be for expiring contracts removes another 27mil. (Whiteside only has next year left on his contract which teams could want for Anthony Davis in 2020) This puts us somewhere around 33mil under the cap which I believe is somewhere around Jimmy's max for next season.

I know there are other things I'm not factoring in but I can't be stuffed going through everything to make sure its perfect. But my point is it won't be too difficult for us to get the money for Jimmy.

Even if all of that plays out perfectly, the chances that he signs with Miami is slim on a 4 year contract. He wants the full 5 year max and he will be traded at some point in time to a team willing to give him the 5 years he wants. If we don't trade him, and he has to settle on a 4 year contract he will be signing with one of his top 3 teams in LA or NY. If Miami wants him, pay up.

[yojimbo]

If we are headed for a reality show sort of season anyway, why not see if Pekovic would come back as a coach with 2 roles: (1) intimidate Jimmy into shutting his hole, and while he is here, (2) work with KAT in practice to toughen him up.

[shrink]

Heat fans should put some blame on Pat Riley if they are stuck on a treadmill of mediocrity for two years, because his final final offer was Richardson-Waiter-and that late 1st.

The Richardson-Waiters package is locked in at $21 mil this year, $22 mil the next year, and $23.5 mil in 2020-21.
Those guys play the same position, Wiggins is a big minute swingman, and the Wolves used their 1st this year on a SG.

Would the Wolves get $66.5 mil in production from those two players over the next three years?

Even adding a pick in the 20’s doesn’t make that an appealing package. Waiters would rarely see the floor, and when Riley demands that they dump his bad contract on the Wolves, he killed the deal.

[gom]

I'm reluctant to post here, but with all due respect, I would like to make a few points:

(1) I feel a lot of sympathy for Wolves fans. I am somewhat aghast at the negative path your team has taken by hiring all these old Bulls guys. Your team seemed headed for better things before.

(2) Not all Heat fans are willing to trade Richardson-Waiters-and a protected FRP for Butler. I am not for example. I am not impressed with Butler's conduct and further believe Butler's max contract is a risky endeavor. That's the kind of deal that can really hamper a franchise if it goes awry. Also, I feel Richardson can still improve.

(3) We don't all feel Waiters is a bad player. Before his injury, he played well for us. Last season he had an ankle injury and then surgery. The concern for most Heat fans is whether he will regain his previous form. When he played well, he was one of our best play creators, driving into the center and pitching out to Richardson, Olynyk, Ellington, Dragic, and Winslow at the perimeter for a 3-point attempt.

So, that's all I wanted to say. Feel free to disagree or ignore my points. In any case, I wish you all luck this season. I don't have a dog in the West, but I'd love to see a promising team like the Wolves upset the status quo.

Edit: Also, the Heat are not going to move mountains to hire Butler in free agency. He isn't worth dumping players and FRPs. Dragic & Whiteside are not opting out. We're in the free agency game in 7/2020 after their deals (and Tyler Johnson's) expire. We will be able to hire two max players. I doubt if one will be Jimmy Butler.

[mplsfonz23]

There's no way Dragic is opting out of 19M to take a 3/24 or whatever

He would have to way up whether he can get more guaranteed money over multiple years than he could taking 19mil from us and trying to get a new contract after that. I think he can get more than 3/24 next season personally.

I am no cap expert, but it seems like opting out of $19 mil, to hope for a 3/24 deal is losing money. $5 mil is the difference for two extra years. Doesn't seem smart. Opt in, then go into UFA the next year and get the 3/24 or something similar.

[NoZoLakers]

If room needs to be made to accommodate Jimmy we will make the trades we need to we can just package the assets you guys didn't take with a couple others to free up space.

You’re going to get $30 mil under the cap, with those two and three year deals?!?

Prove it. Let me see your plan.

I don’t have a problem if Thibs and Riley can’t agree on a price. Happens all the time. However, nobody believes that MIA can clear the cap space needed to make a bid on him in free agency.

Cap is projected to be at 109mil next year,
We have 122mil committed in salary next season,
If Dragic opts out of his player option to get one last contract which is likely that will take off 19mil putting us 6mil under the cap
Then if we trade Whiteside + a pick if need be for expiring contracts removes another 27mil. (Whiteside only has next year left on his contract which teams could want for Anthony Davis in 2020) This puts us somewhere around 33mil under the cap which I believe is somewhere around Jimmy's max for next season.

I know there are other things I'm not factoring in but I can't be stuffed going through everything to make sure its perfect. But my point is it won't be too difficult for us to get the money for Jimmy.

Dragic isn't giving up 19mill, people need to stop these ideas that players give up bunch of money even though its 1 yr for a longer contract, and guess why he would do it? Because MIA would be the one that would gurantee him the longer but lesser per yr deal if he even considered giving up the $, he wouldn't otherwise...i.e. Pau Gasol

[AirP.]

Why are they even asking Paul George about this?

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