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2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

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Who should Minnesota Pick at #1 (Assuming Minnesota keeps the pick)?

Anthony Edwards
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42%
LaMelo Ball
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22%
James Wiseman
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35%
 
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II 

Post#601 » by Neeva » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:48 pm

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:Random question.

Would drafting Killian Hayes be a mistake?

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Why do we need another PG? We spent 30 mil on one in D'Lo. We don't need a center either. The guys that could help us are Edwards, O.O. and Avdija in that order I would think.

The problem with this is we don't draft the by far best player in the draft Wiseman just because we have one good center. No reason at all we can't move KAT to the PF where we have a void and play Wiseman at Center or we can play Wiseman at the PF.


If he really? That is the kind of thinking that made th former suns gm pick Ayton over Doncic.
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Post#602 » by Jedzz » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:55 pm

shangrila wrote:I can agree that there's more to becoming a good shooter than just putting up shots in a gym. Michael Beasley used to put out those videos of hitting 1000 jump shots and it never amounted to anything beyond that awesome few weeks when he and Love were dropping 30ppg each. But at the end of the day it's far easier to practice and develop the kind of muscle memory you need to be a good shooter than it is to develop the equivalent in defence. That doesn't mean it's guaranteed someone will improve their shooting before their defence but if I were putting money on which would develop, it'd be shooting every time.


Sorry but i 100% disagree on this. Not a chance. If you are seeing defense develop after a big change in shooting efficiency it's simply because of what they are focusing on and what they aren't doing.

Shooting consistently high levels, in games, has the added function of stress/fear/focus wiring in the brain that is different for most people. It's why the difference in gym practice to production in games is so alarmingly different and is a known phenomenon. That's why really young great shooters might be called phenoms. It's not something everyone can do right away, if ever, or even if they find it once could find a way to hold onto that ability. A free climbing wonder freak in recent years had his brain scanned and they found two fold difference in how his amygdala is activated during stressful/fearful moments from average people, even a 20% difference between him and other death daring people. In other words, how much he's able to maintain his focus on the grip of his right pinky finger and his left foot's big toe, and the climbing path he's memorized, all while dangling off a 3,000 ft cliff with no rope. I would bet dollars to donuts that if you could teach this guy a repeatable perfect shooting stroke he could shoot better than Steph Curry in games. Then again maybe not. Add 15-20k fans in the stands cheering or booing, or break off one chunk of rock along his practiced path up the cliff and see if he falls off that cliff this time. Just don't know until they prove it under live and changing circumstances.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II 

Post#603 » by KGdaBom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:18 pm

Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Nick K wrote:
Why do we need another PG? We spent 30 mil on one in D'Lo. We don't need a center either. The guys that could help us are Edwards, O.O. and Avdija in that order I would think.

The problem with this is we don't draft the by far best player in the draft Wiseman just because we have one good center. No reason at all we can't move KAT to the PF where we have a void and play Wiseman at Center or we can play Wiseman at the PF.


If he really? That is the kind of thinking that made th former suns gm pick Ayton over Doncic.

It isn't at all. Most people considered Doncic or Young the most talented player in the draft. Ayton was the safer pick. This year Wiseman has both the highest upside and is the safest pick as well with the possible exception of Okongwu.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II 

Post#604 » by Nick K » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:55 pm

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:Random question.

Would drafting Killian Hayes be a mistake?

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Why do we need another PG? We spent 30 mil on one in D'Lo. We don't need a center either. The guys that could help us are Edwards, O.O. and Avdija in that order I would think.

The problem with this is we don't draft the by far best player in the draft Wiseman just because we have one good center. No reason at all we can't move KAT to the PF where we have a void and play Wiseman at Center or we can play Wiseman at the PF.


I get your point and I normally would agree BUT would Rosas agree? From what we have seen so far it doesn't fit his small ball philosophy. Nobody wants a defensive rim protecting player next to Towns more than me. If he can score all the better.

With Rosas I just don't see him playing Towns at the 4.

I'm still concerned with Wiseman playing so few college games and then against easy matchups. It just leaves me with so many question about him. Every guy seems to be a gamble in this draft.

Last year was easy with Ja and Williamson and Ja was far more a certain star in my mind between the two. If Ja were in this draft I'd snap him up in a second PG or not and trade D'Lo or move him to off guard.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II 

Post#605 » by KGdaBom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:25 pm

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Why do we need another PG? We spent 30 mil on one in D'Lo. We don't need a center either. The guys that could help us are Edwards, O.O. and Avdija in that order I would think.

The problem with this is we don't draft the by far best player in the draft Wiseman just because we have one good center. No reason at all we can't move KAT to the PF where we have a void and play Wiseman at Center or we can play Wiseman at the PF.


I get your point and I normally would agree BUT would Rosas agree? From what we have seen so far it doesn't fit his small ball philosophy. Nobody wants a defensive rim protecting player next to Towns more than me. If he can score all the better.

With Rosas I just don't see him playing Towns at the 4.

I'm still concerned with Wiseman playing so few college games and then against easy matchups. It just leaves me with so many question about him. Every guy seems to be a gamble in this draft.

Last year was easy with Ja and Williamson and Ja was far more a certain star in my mind between the two. If Ja were in this draft I'd snap him up in a second PG or not and trade D'Lo or move him to off guard.

Zion other than health concerns is better than Ja Morant who IIRC had his own health concerns. I would gamble on Zion being healthy and trade this years #1 for him. Unless there are some serious concerns that I haven't looked into yet.

As for us taking Wiseman with very small college sample size, teams have been known to pick HS players #1 overall in the years they were allowed to. LeBron for example. Glad to know we are on the same page that Wiseman would be excellent to play next to KAT.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II 

Post#606 » by moonpie » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:30 am

About 2 months out from the draft, what are your mocks for the picks we have currently? For me I've got:

1 - Anthony Edwards
17 - Aleksej Pokusevski or Precious Achiuwa
33 - Paul Reed
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Post#607 » by Neeva » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:23 am

All guards for me, Rosas should sign free agent forwards that can play defense to help KAT.
1.Ball or Edwards
17. Maxey
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Post#608 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:50 am

ATL in: Pick #1, Jared Culver & Jake Layman
MIN in: DeAndre Hunter, Kevin Huerter & Pick #6

Sign FA Jerami Grant

6. C/F Onyeka Okongwu
17. SG Tyrese Maxey
33. PG Tre Jones

C Towns/Okongwu/Reid
PF Grant/Hunter
SF Huerter/Okogie
SG Beasley/Maxey
PG Russell/Jones/McLaughlin


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Post#609 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:24 am

Slim Tubby wrote:ATL in: Pick #1, Jared Culver & Jake Layman
MIN in: DeAndre Hunter, Kevin Huerter & Pick #6

Sign FA Jerami Grant

6. C/F Onyeka Okongwu
17. SG Tyrese Maxey
33. PG Tre Jones

C Towns/Okongwu/Reid
PF Grant/Hunter
SF Huerter/Okogie
SG Beasley/Maxey
PG Russell/Jones/McLaughlin


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Keep Culver, Layman and Huerter out of it.
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Post#610 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:06 am

Apart from coming from Houston where they play the small ball. Tell me when Rosas has said that our identity is small ball.
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Why do we need another PG? We spent 30 mil on one in D'Lo. We don't need a center either. The guys that could help us are Edwards, O.O. and Avdija in that order I would think.

The problem with this is we don't draft the by far best player in the draft Wiseman just because we have one good center. No reason at all we can't move KAT to the PF where we have a void and play Wiseman at Center or we can play Wiseman at the PF.


I get your point and I normally would agree BUT would Rosas agree? From what we have seen so far it doesn't fit his small ball philosophy. Nobody wants a defensive rim protecting player next to Towns more than me. If he can score all the better.

With Rosas I just don't see him playing Towns at the 4.

I'm still concerned with Wiseman playing so few college games and then against easy matchups. It just leaves me with so many question about him. Every guy seems to be a gamble in this draft.

Last year was easy with Ja and Williamson and Ja was far more a certain star in my mind between the two. If Ja were in this draft I'd snap him up in a second PG or not and trade D'Lo or move him to off guard.


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Post#611 » by minimus » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:35 pm

On 20 November, 2019, Killian Hayes tallied 12 points and 11 assists in a loss to Promitheas Patras, becoming the second-youngest player to ever register a double-double in the EuroCup, the youngest being Ricky Rubio.
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Post#612 » by Killboard » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:06 pm

minimus wrote:On 20 November, 2019, Killian Hayes tallied 12 points and 11 assists in a loss to Promitheas Patras, becoming the second-youngest player to ever register a double-double in the EuroCup, the youngest being Ricky Rubio.


Representing France, Hayes was named MVP of the 2017 FIBA U16 European Championship in Podgorica, Montenegro.
He averaged 16.6 points, seven rebounds and 5.1 assists per game and led his team to a gold medal.
At the 2018 FIBA Under-17 Basketball World Cup in Argentina, Hayes won a silver medal and was named to the All-Star Five after averaging 16.1 points, 3.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 2.7 steals per game.
In July 2019, the French Federation of Basketball imposed a six-game suspension on Hayes for not playing in the 2019 FIBA U20 European Championship in Tel Aviv, Israel.


That suspension is why he ended up playing in Germany last season.
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Post#613 » by NebWolvesFan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:16 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:ATL in: Pick #1, Jared Culver & Jake Layman
MIN in: DeAndre Hunter, Kevin Huerter & Pick #6

Sign FA Jerami Grant

6. C/F Onyeka Okongwu
17. SG Tyrese Maxey
33. PG Tre Jones

C Towns/Okongwu/Reid
PF Grant/Hunter
SF Huerter/Okogie
SG Beasley/Maxey
PG Russell/Jones/McLaughlin


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Keep Culver, Layman and Huerter out of it.


I'm not sure about Hunter. He was kind of bad last year. I know it was his rookie year, but he was an older rookie, so I would be concerned what he was last year he was who he will be. If that's the case, I would prefer to play Culver, who's 14 years younger, at the 3 and let him grow.
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Post#614 » by moonpie » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:54 pm

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Post#615 » by cpfsf » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:38 pm

About 5 years ago i asked my wife to draft my fantasy basketball team as I was busy working that day. She didnt know any player beside kobe bryant. To be honest it was a pretty acceptable lineup. With a few tweaks of the roster we won first place.

So today i asked my wife who do the wolves draft. I told her the choices are ball, Wiseman, and edwards. After she initially telling me numerous times that she doesnt care, she finally said the wolves should draft ball.

Her logic is that (paraphrasing) uhhhhhhhhh ball puts out the most effort. Uhhhhh He tries hard. Uhhhhhh He does the things you cant coach. and i guess he makes the team work.

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Post#616 » by Dewey » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 am

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Seems to “think” a lot but don’t seem to know a lot ... the only interesting thing he mentioned was his goal to be 1st or 2nd defensive team. Talker or walker?
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Post#617 » by Neeva » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:14 am

Am I the only wolves fan that wants Isaiah Joe at 33?
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Post#618 » by Rookie-Mistake » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:56 am

Watching the playoffs. Drafting anyone that CANT shoot is the biggest mistake this franchise can make. If any prospects have poor FT%, FG% and 3pt% absolutely do not want.

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Post#619 » by jpatrick » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:03 am

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Seems to “think” a lot but don’t seem to know a lot ... the only interesting thing he mentioned was his goal to be 1st or 2nd defensive team. Talker or walker?


What's crazy about Edwards is that at the end of games, when his team needed a stop, he completely locked up the best player on the other team, almost every time. If I needed one stop, I may choose him over almost any other perimeter player in college basketball last year. However, he was so lackadaisical the rest of the game, he was a poor defender overall. Ben Simmons was also a very bad defender at LSU because he showed no effort and he turned it around and is one of the top 5-10 defenders in the NBA. Can Edwards do something similar when the games counts more and he doesn't have to carry the offensive load? I don't know.
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Post#620 » by KGdaBom » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:12 am

NebWolvesFan wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:ATL in: Pick #1, Jared Culver & Jake Layman
MIN in: DeAndre Hunter, Kevin Huerter & Pick #6

Sign FA Jerami Grant

6. C/F Onyeka Okongwu
17. SG Tyrese Maxey
33. PG Tre Jones

C Towns/Okongwu/Reid
PF Grant/Hunter
SF Huerter/Okogie
SG Beasley/Maxey
PG Russell/Jones/McLaughlin


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Keep Culver, Layman and Huerter out of it.


I'm not sure about Hunter. He was kind of bad last year. I know it was his rookie year, but he was an older rookie, so I would be concerned what he was last year he was who he will be. If that's the case, I would prefer to play Culver, who's 14 years younger, at the 3 and let him grow.

You are correct. He wasn't good on offense for sure. Maybe his defense made up for it. I don't know.

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