Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Nick K]

Gallo and Markkanen are similar players. Gallo probably better at the moment because of experience but he’s completely washed defensively. PF shooters that play no defense. Our defense man. Would be bad. So bad.

Would Atlanta do Rubio for Gallo? Gives them a backup PG and and expiring contract to help with future salary obligations. Although Gallo’s second year is only guaranteed for 5m.

Obviously, would prefer Simmons, Collins, Isaac, Turner, etc., they’re all long shots.

Maybe we could do Beasley, Layman or Okogie for Gallo? The Wolves just have to play decent team defense. The key is not missing defensive assignments. And that's coaching and effort.

No chance I would give up Beasley for him...not even up anyways.

I love Beasley's shooting but where are you going to play him? You can't start him cause you have Ant. You have McD at the 3. So you have to bring him off the bench which I love. It's going to cost us to get a starting 4. I think the Wolves want to keep Ricky. Ant loves him and if Dlo goes down you need him..

[shrink]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

[Dual]

Defense, is what this team needs. If you trade then get a two way player...Gallinari fix nothing...

[King Ken]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

Gallo doesn't help your team in those three categories while he does have massive value.

I don't see a good deal as feasible for the Hawks.

The best reasonable deal I could come up with was
Gallo/Dunn/Bruno for Rubio/Okogie/Culver but Gallo is critical to our success and twice as valuable as Rubio. Okogie doesn't make up the ground and Dunn for Culver is like a wash deal.

If any deal I can see happening its Dunn for Culver. Bruno just seems like a cut player for both franchises. Just looking at your pieces, I don't know how you can get what you need at PF. I feel like KAT needs a defensive minded 5 who plays like a 4 on offensive to play next to him. He's a hard piece to build around. I kinda liked Covington around him but you traded him. When I look at Minny, outside of Beasley and your core. You really don't have enough good players. McDaniels is promising but he's not good yet and I wouldn't move him unless it was for a star package.

As a Hawk fan, I could see a deal like a Teague/Crabbe deal like Dunn/Culver happening. Other than that, I don't see it. We can get a backup PG for a backup PG price and get a lot more value and Gallo is massive for our bench success. Losing him would kill us bench wise.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

We drafted Dunn about 39 spots too early, in case you didn’t know. Not many wolves fans want to relive that experience again

[Nick K]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

Gallo doesn't help your team in those three categories while he does have massive value.

I don't see a good deal as feasible for the Hawks.

The best reasonable deal I could come up with was
Gallo/Dunn/Bruno for Rubio/Okogie/Culver but Gallo is critical to our success and twice as valuable as Rubio. Okogie doesn't make up the ground and Dunn for Culver is like a wash deal.

If any deal I can see happening its Dunn for Culver. Bruno just seems like a cut player for both franchises. Just looking at your pieces, I don't know how you can get what you need at PF. I feel like KAT needs a defensive minded 5 who plays like a 4 on offensive to play next to him. He's a hard piece to build around. I kinda liked Covington around him but you traded him. When I look at Minny, outside of Beasley and your core. You really don't have enough good players. McDaniels is promising but he's not good yet and I wouldn't move him unless it was for a star package.

As a Hawk fan, I could see a deal like a Teague/Crabbe deal like Dunn/Culver happening. Other than that, I don't see it. We can get a backup PG for a backup PG price and get a lot more value and Gallo is massive for our bench success. Losing him would kill us bench wise.

I don't get the Dunn love. He failed in MN, Chi, and ATL. Why would we want him?

[Worm Guts]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

Gallo doesn't help your team in those three categories while he does have massive value.

I don't see a good deal as feasible for the Hawks.

The best reasonable deal I could come up with was
Gallo/Dunn/Bruno for Rubio/Okogie/Culver but Gallo is critical to our success and twice as valuable as Rubio. Okogie doesn't make up the ground and Dunn for Culver is like a wash deal.

If any deal I can see happening its Dunn for Culver. Bruno just seems like a cut player for both franchises. Just looking at your pieces, I don't know how you can get what you need at PF. I feel like KAT needs a defensive minded 5 who plays like a 4 on offensive to play next to him. He's a hard piece to build around. I kinda liked Covington around him but you traded him. When I look at Minny, outside of Beasley and your core. You really don't have enough good players. McDaniels is promising but he's not good yet and I wouldn't move him unless it was for a star package.

As a Hawk fan, I could see a deal like a Teague/Crabbe deal like Dunn/Culver happening. Other than that, I don't see it. We can get a backup PG for a backup PG price and get a lot more value and Gallo is massive for our bench success. Losing him would kill us bench wise.

I don't get the Dunn love. He failed in MN, Chi, and ATL. Why would we want him?

It's not like he's trying to get a good player back for him, but I agree in that I don't have any interest.

[jpatrick]

Gallo has always made teams better. He’s lost a lot of athleticism though, but is still a good player. The issue in Atlanta is paying and getting minutes for everyone.

Center: Capela, Okongwu
PF: Collins, Gallo
SF: Hunter, Reddish
SG: Huerter, Bogdanovic
PG: Trae, Dunn?

Hunter looked like their second best player before getting injured. Reddish will want minutes. Collins is about to get paid. I see why they’d move Gallo, as Hunter can play PF minutes easing some of the crunch at the wing positions.

My guess is they’d want Rubio, Culver, and a protected first. I don’t know if I give that up for someone best suited to come off the bench because of defensive limitations.

[shrink]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

Gallo doesn't help your team in those three categories while he does have massive value.

I don't see a good deal as feasible for the Hawks.

The best reasonable deal I could come up with was
Gallo/Dunn/Bruno for Rubio/Okogie/Culver but Gallo is critical to our success and twice as valuable as Rubio. Okogie doesn't make up the ground and Dunn for Culver is like a wash deal.

If any deal I can see happening its Dunn for Culver. Bruno just seems like a cut player for both franchises. Just looking at your pieces, I don't know how you can get what you need at PF. I feel like KAT needs a defensive minded 5 who plays like a 4 on offensive to play next to him. He's a hard piece to build around. I kinda liked Covington around him but you traded him. When I look at Minny, outside of Beasley and your core. You really don't have enough good players. McDaniels is promising but he's not good yet and I wouldn't move him unless it was for a star package.

As a Hawk fan, I could see a deal like a Teague/Crabbe deal like Dunn/Culver happening. Other than that, I don't see it. We can get a backup PG for a backup PG price and get a lot more value and Gallo is massive for our bench success. Losing him would kill us bench wise.

Danilo Gallinari may have “massive value” off the bench for the Hawks, but at $20,475,000 next year, and $21,450,000 ($5 mil guaranteed), he does not have massive, or probably even “positive” trade value. He is the 55th highest player in the NBA.

For the three things Rosas wants, just keeping Jaden McDaniels as the starting PF makes more sense. The Wolves are incredibly high on him. For example, here’s yesterday’s news from Darren Wolfson.

Jaden McDaniels - he’s a guy that the Wolves are incredibly excited about - Chris Finch had a lunch the other day with some season ticket holders, I’m told he was gushing about McDaniels.

[Nick K]

Gallo has always made teams better. He’s lost a lot of athleticism though, but is still a good player. The issue in Atlanta is paying and getting minutes for everyone.

Center: Capela, Okongwu
PF: Collins, Gallo
SF: Hunter, Reddish
SG: Huerter, Bogdanovic
PG: Trae, Dunn?

Hunter looked like their second best player before getting injured. Reddish will want minutes. Collins is about to get paid. I see why they’d move Gallo, as Hunter can play PF minutes easing some of the crunch at the wing positions.

My guess is they’d want Rubio, Culver, and a protected first. I don’t know if I give that up for someone best suited to come off the bench because of defensive limitations.

I agree with all except Atl is in a poor bargaining position with Gallo. They need to move him and everybody knows it. That said, I'm not sure who we give them. I can see a Beasley or Rubio but I can also see multiple expiring contracts.

[jpatrick]

Gallo has always made teams better. He’s lost a lot of athleticism though, but is still a good player. The issue in Atlanta is paying and getting minutes for everyone.

Center: Capela, Okongwu
PF: Collins, Gallo
SF: Hunter, Reddish
SG: Huerter, Bogdanovic
PG: Trae, Dunn?

Hunter looked like their second best player before getting injured. Reddish will want minutes. Collins is about to get paid. I see why they’d move Gallo, as Hunter can play PF minutes easing some of the crunch at the wing positions.

My guess is they’d want Rubio, Culver, and a protected first. I don’t know if I give that up for someone best suited to come off the bench because of defensive limitations.

I agree with all except Atl is in a poor bargaining position with Gallo. They need to move him and everybody knows it. That said, I'm not sure who we give them. I can see a Beasley or Rubio but I can also see multiple expiring contracts.

I think if ATL wanted nothing back, they could just move him to a team with cap space, saving them 20m+ next year. Teams looking to win, like the Knicks and Spurs will have massive amounts that they won’t be able to spend. Even a team like OKC would probably take him back into their space knowing they could flip him for an asset at the deadline.

If we think Beasley has value, Gallo, even older, has value. 6’11” players that shoot and have BBIQ and have historically helped teams into the playoffs, will have value.

This is a clear leak by us to Dane. Maybe trying to put pressure on another team we’re negotiating with for a big (Philly, Cavs, Indy, etc).

[Dewey]

Gallo versus Layman or Hernangomez ... They are similar in that none are good defenders and viewed more as offensive role players. Biggest difference is Gallo has proven a capable as a solid offensive contributor when healthy - but now he's overpaid. Layman nor Hermangomez have discovered how to be consistent contributors. So yeah, none of the three help our defensive needs.

Bringing in a veteran or drafting a prospect may be a crutch we have to settle on, but to move the peg, we need to impact this defense with a known contributor.

Conclusion: These are reasons why Simmons remains high on the radar. Seeing him in MN is unlikely, but I do respect the effort to address critical need.

[King Ken]

Hm. I like Dane more than most, but I never have thought of him as a news breaker.

Gallo does not sound like the type of player Rosas claimed to be looking for:

1. Defend the rim
2. Defend the pick-and-roll
3. Rebound

Gallinari is 0-for-3 on that list.

Gallo doesn't help your team in those three categories while he does have massive value.

I don't see a good deal as feasible for the Hawks.

The best reasonable deal I could come up with was
Gallo/Dunn/Bruno for Rubio/Okogie/Culver but Gallo is critical to our success and twice as valuable as Rubio. Okogie doesn't make up the ground and Dunn for Culver is like a wash deal.

If any deal I can see happening its Dunn for Culver. Bruno just seems like a cut player for both franchises. Just looking at your pieces, I don't know how you can get what you need at PF. I feel like KAT needs a defensive minded 5 who plays like a 4 on offensive to play next to him. He's a hard piece to build around. I kinda liked Covington around him but you traded him. When I look at Minny, outside of Beasley and your core. You really don't have enough good players. McDaniels is promising but he's not good yet and I wouldn't move him unless it was for a star package.

As a Hawk fan, I could see a deal like a Teague/Crabbe deal like Dunn/Culver happening. Other than that, I don't see it. We can get a backup PG for a backup PG price and get a lot more value and Gallo is massive for our bench success. Losing him would kill us bench wise.

I don't get the Dunn love. He failed in MN, Chi, and ATL. Why would we want him?

Last 3 years: 0.7, 3.4 -0.2 WAR while having a 0.1 WAR in the ECF for us since that's all he played in these playoffs. He was hurt 99% of our season this year and just doesn't fit offensively with our offense which needs offensive-minded PGs since Nate isn't the best offensive mind.

While Culver been a -0.8 WAR and -0.4 WAR. He hasn't added any value, in fact has had negative value in both years. He's someone for any team will probably not get his 4th year picked up. For Atlanta, he's just a body for us to rotation as a 5th or 6th wing but that's more valuable than what Dunn is for us as a 3rd string PG as Dunn doesn't have enough offense for our PG position which we heavily need offense first considering most of our bench can't create their own offense for ish.

Summary: Dunn basically doesn't have any long-term or short-term value with us even though he's fairly valuable if healthy in general based on the last three seasons. He doesn't fit what we need from a PG. Culver hasn't shown any positive value so far. In fact, he's a lock not see year 4 of his rookie contract. For Atlanta, he's a wing-body and a chance for Atlanta to see if he fits our system better than he fit in MIN and maybe is worth 1 WAR if even just neutral. It's basically a body-for-body trade.

[King Ken]

Gallo has always made teams better. He’s lost a lot of athleticism though, but is still a good player. The issue in Atlanta is paying and getting minutes for everyone.

Center: Capela, Okongwu
PF: Collins, Gallo
SF: Hunter, Reddish
SG: Huerter, Bogdanovic
PG: Trae, Dunn?

Hunter looked like their second best player before getting injured. Reddish will want minutes. Collins is about to get paid. I see why they’d move Gallo, as Hunter can play PF minutes easing some of the crunch at the wing positions.

My guess is they’d want Rubio, Culver, and a protected first. I don’t know if I give that up for someone best suited to come off the bench because of defensive limitations.

I agree with all except Atl is in a poor bargaining position with Gallo. They need to move him and everybody knows it. That said, I'm not sure who we give them. I can see a Beasley or Rubio but I can also see multiple expiring contracts.

We don't need to move Gallo at all. What are you talking about?

[Klomp]

Don't forget, Gallo could be involved as part of a multiteam trade.

Interestingly, a team he would be a great fit on is Philadelphia. What if it was something like him going to the Sixers, or maybe even Portland in a mega deal?

[King Ken]

Don't forget, Gallo could be involved as part of a multiteam trade.

Interestingly, a team he would be a great fit on is Philadelphia. What if it was something like him going to the Sixers, or maybe even Portland in a mega deal?

With all due respect, we don't want to move Gallo or need to move Gallo. Please stop talking about this as if Atlanta has him on the block when we don't. He's a valuable part of our team. He's critical to our success. We aren't moving him, especially considering JC's contract status which is up in the air right now. With Gallo, we got options thanks to his 5 mil out in 2022.

[Klomp]

Don't forget, Gallo could be involved as part of a multiteam trade.

Interestingly, a team he would be a great fit on is Philadelphia. What if it was something like him going to the Sixers, or maybe even Portland in a mega deal?

With all due respect, we don't want to move Gallo or need to move Gallo. Please stop talking about this as if Atlanta has him on the block when we don't. He's a valuable part of our team. He's critical to our success. We aren't moving him, especially considering JC's contract status which is up in the air right now. With Gallo, we got options thanks to his 5 mil out in 2022.

We are talking because it was posted by a reputable member of the Twin Cities media. This is the Minnesota subforum. You can choose to steer conversation on the Atlanta subforum however you like.

Sometimes, teams move players they don't want or need to trade. It's part of doing business. It doesn't mean he's on the block just because a few Minnesota fans are talking about him.

[King Ken]

Don't forget, Gallo could be involved as part of a multiteam trade.

Interestingly, a team he would be a great fit on is Philadelphia. What if it was something like him going to the Sixers, or maybe even Portland in a mega deal?

With all due respect, we don't want to move Gallo or need to move Gallo. Please stop talking about this as if Atlanta has him on the block when we don't. He's a valuable part of our team. He's critical to our success. We aren't moving him, especially considering JC's contract status which is up in the air right now. With Gallo, we got options thanks to his 5 mil out in 2022.

We are talking because it was posted by a reputable member of the Twin Cities media. This is the Minnesota subforum. You can choose to steer conversation on the Atlanta subforum however you like.

Sometimes, teams move players they don't want or need to trade. It's part of doing business. It doesn't mean he's on the block just because a few Minnesota fans are talking about him.

He can be reputable but no one from Atlanta has stated Gallo is on the block. Just because you have interest doesn't mean you can get that said player. Don't you guys have an interest in Ben Simmons? Well, it's gonna cost you one of KAT or Edwards. Will you trade that? Hell no! Does that mean you can't talk about it, no, it doesn't but don't be lying your ass off saying Atlanta has to get rid of a guy when they clearly don't. Atlanta doesn't want to get rid of Gallo. End of story. You can talk about fake trades but don't talk as if Atlanta is dying to get rid of key players who helped them get to the ECF and a team who isn't even in cap hell. We don't have any reason to do it. That doesn't mean MIN can't target him, it's just that when both bases like me and you talk, we can't come to a deal. MIN doesn't have anything to offer. The players you could offer, it would be foolish to offer them for Gallo like Beasley considering, age, production, and trade value. McDaniels is too valuable of a prospect to add in a deal for Gallo. Are you following me?

[Macwolf527]

Don't forget, Gallo could be involved as part of a multiteam trade.

Interestingly, a team he would be a great fit on is Philadelphia. What if it was something like him going to the Sixers, or maybe even Portland in a mega deal?

With all due respect, we don't want to move Gallo or need to move Gallo. Please stop talking about this as if Atlanta has him on the block when we don't. He's a valuable part of our team. He's critical to our success. We aren't moving him, especially considering JC's contract status which is up in the air right now. With Gallo, we got options thanks to his 5 mil out in 2022.

We are talking because it was posted by a reputable member of the Twin Cities media. This is the Minnesota subforum. You can choose to steer conversation on the Atlanta subforum however you like.

Sometimes, teams move players they don't want or need to trade. It's part of doing business. It doesn't mean he's on the block just because a few Minnesota fans are talking about him.

They absolutely have to make a decision on Gallo or Collins. The Hawks are not in a position to have $40 million dollars tied up in the power forward position. Take into account that De'Andre Hunter plays minutes their also, then you really have a quandary. Considering Gallo's age along with the timeline of their core players and it just makes sense to move him while he has value, especially when he's on the downside of his career. Whereas the Wolves have that PF money slot open right now and can afford to push some money towards the slot. Rubio makes the most sense because we're in a similar position at the PG position as far as dollars ($45.6 million vested) go. The questions comes down to what else get's included to make the trade happen.

[King Ken]

With all due respect, we don't want to move Gallo or need to move Gallo. Please stop talking about this as if Atlanta has him on the block when we don't. He's a valuable part of our team. He's critical to our success. We aren't moving him, especially considering JC's contract status which is up in the air right now. With Gallo, we got options thanks to his 5 mil out in 2022.

We are talking because it was posted by a reputable member of the Twin Cities media. This is the Minnesota subforum. You can choose to steer conversation on the Atlanta subforum however you like.

Sometimes, teams move players they don't want or need to trade. It's part of doing business. It doesn't mean he's on the block just because a few Minnesota fans are talking about him.

They absolutely have to make a decision on Gallo or Collins.

NO WE DON'T! We will in 2022 but guess what, we have an out with Gallo's contract in 2022 for 5 mil. We are in great shape in terms of JC and Gallo. We aren't in a position to move Gallo right now or this year unless an upgrade is on the horizon.