Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Biff Cooper]

I'm not as doom and gloom as many here. It was always going to take some time to figure things out as a team. I'm hoping we see team make some significant defensive improvements with KAT out, and that he sees those improvements happen and continues them in 4-6 weeks. The biggest offensive problems this season have been the PG position and poor / inefficient shooting. Poor / inefficient shooting comes and goes. DLo is more of a combo guard than a PG. Getting another facilitating PG who can play defense on the roster is something I could get behind.

[younggunsmn]

I don't buy the Arod/Lore instant impact blame for the Gobert trade simply because of the huge contract and security they gave TC when they brought him in.
This was all on TC.
1. Kneejerk reaction to getting destroyed on the boards in the Memphis series
2. Gobert was THE player specifically targeted by Connelly. Post trade talk was all about how Finch had ideas about how it could work, even though Gobert was an ill-fit for Connelly's system
3. Completely ignored playoff mental meltdowns by 2 key players, Russell and Towns, who have enough years in the league where youth is no longer an excuse. Instead of moving on from one or both, he doubled down.
4. IMMENSE impatience leads to a franchise destroying overpay. Sends out 3 quality rotation players, 2 of whom were our glue defensively. He got destroyed on the filler, and he got destroyed on the picks.
Forgot the key rule, as anyone who has bought a house or car knows, and that is YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY.
5. Gobert had known holes in his game which the rest of the team needs to compensate for, and that was overlooked. So far he's looked more the elite rebounder than elite rim protector, exposed by stretch bigs, and the stone hands catching passes have been worse than I thought.

I mean, i'd say fire the guy after the season, but what's the point? The next guy will have absolutely nothing to work with.
You aren't going to get anything outrageous for KAT now that he's supermaxed.
We need to hang onto Edwards and McDaniels for dear life as they are our best hope that all those draft picks don't end up in the top 10.
Trading Gobert will make this team demonstrably worse as the players that made our high wall scheme work got traded away.
Poor Finchy is grasping at straws from one failed defensive scheme to the next, going zone to switch 5 to drop without any success because WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY PLAYERS WHO ARE JUST BAD AT DEFENSE.

An analogy I'd use is that this organization paid way too much for its house, is now way underwater, can't walk away, and has no choice but to work extremely hard with what we've got the next several years to right the ship. That's going to mean some course corrections. A point guard who can play good defense at the point of attack would be my top priority.

[_AIJ_]

Hawks dfan here.

Who's most likely _or most desired by fans) to be moved out of Minnesota - Karl-Anthony or Rudy?



Would a Clint Capela & John Collins package interest you guys for Gobert & Taurean Prince?

Kat for collins and murray. Thats it. Sorry

[Klomp]

Realistically this team was probably always doomed, Gobert trade or not. There are core, fundamental issues with several of our main players that seems to be seeping into Edwards too. Without Gobert we might have had a better record but our ceiling was always capped

This isn't that much different from what I was saying. Towns has shown he's not the solution. But Connelly making a power play to trade Towns this past summer probably wouldn't make many fans.

[Jailblazers7]

The fantasy KAT trade destination that I find really interesting is Toronto.

KAT for FVV, Anunoby, and picks. Doesn’t return the kind of marquee name that many would want but it accomplishes a lot needs for the Wolves.

The team gets a borderline AS PG, another wing to build a top 5 defense around Rudy, and replenishes draft capital.

[moss_is_1]

The fantasy KAT trade destination that I find really interesting is Toronto.

KAT for FVV, Anunoby, and picks. Doesn’t return the kind of marquee name that many would want but it accomplishes a lot needs for the Wolves.

The team gets a borderline AS PG, another wing to build a top 5 defense around Rudy, and replenishes draft capital.

I doubt Toronto would have interest in KAT with how they play.

[Colbinii]

The fantasy KAT trade destination that I find really interesting is Toronto.

KAT for FVV, Anunoby, and picks. Doesn’t return the kind of marquee name that many would want but it accomplishes a lot needs for the Wolves.

The team gets a borderline AS PG, another wing to build a top 5 defense around Rudy, and replenishes draft capital.

So we get 1 year of FVV/OG and then they fit FA?

[Jailblazers7]

Good point on the contracts. I was just thinking about the players & fit and forgot to check that.

[sogood]

Gobert is a better player than AD at this point in their careers, and is also more durable.

lmao.

Talk to me at the end of the season. The last two years Rudy was much better than AD and much more durable. I expect the same to be the case this season. If AD sustains this, then obviously yes, he is better. But I don't think he can. I also think Rudy is performing as poorly as he can, and he is still the best player on that Wolves team.

[babyjax13]

lmao.

Talk to me at the end of the season. The last two years Rudy was much better than AD and much more durable. I expect the same to be the case this season. If AD sustains this, then obviously yes, he is better. But I don't think he can. I also think Rudy is performing as poorly as he can, and he is still the best player on that Wolves team.

Past 4 seasons (RAPTOR)
Gobert | AD
22-23: +1.6 | +8.5
21-22: +6.8 | +2.5
20-21: +7.8 | +3.7
19-20: +5.6 | +7.4

Gobert has had back-to-back seasons that were better than AD's by this metric. LEBRON tells a similar story (Gobert > Davis in 16-17, 18-19, 20-21, 21-22). If AD finishes out the year like this, then yes, he will have a better season, but I don't see that happening. The dislike of Gobert is really absurd on this forum.

[Note30]

Talk to me at the end of the season. The last two years Rudy was much better than AD and much more durable. I expect the same to be the case this season. If AD sustains this, then obviously yes, he is better. But I don't think he can. I also think Rudy is performing as poorly as he can, and he is still the best player on that Wolves team.

Past 4 seasons (RAPTOR)
Gobert | AD
22-23: +1.6 | +8.5
21-22: +6.8 | +2.5
20-21: +7.8 | +3.7
19-20: +5.6 | +7.4

Gobert has had back-to-back seasons that were better than AD's by this metric. LEBRON tells a similar story (Gobert > Davis in 16-17, 18-19, 20-21, 21-22). If AD finishes out the year like this, then yes, he will have a better season, but I don't see that happening. The dislike of Gobert is really absurd on this forum.

Cause he doesn't actually move the needle. Atleast not to the point where he can replace what Jared Vanderbilt, Patrick Beverley, and Beasley were doing for this team.

It's not a dislike of him, it's a dislike of his random hype and amount it cost to obtain him.

[Dewey]

Past 4 seasons (RAPTOR)
Gobert | AD
22-23: +1.6 | +8.5
21-22: +6.8 | +2.5
20-21: +7.8 | +3.7
19-20: +5.6 | +7.4

Gobert has had back-to-back seasons that were better than AD's by this metric. LEBRON tells a similar story (Gobert > Davis in 16-17, 18-19, 20-21, 21-22). If AD finishes out the year like this, then yes, he will have a better season, but I don't see that happening. The dislike of Gobert is really absurd on this forum.

Cause he doesn't actually move the needle. Atleast not to the point where he can replace what Jared Vanderbilt, Patrick Beverley, and Beasley were doing for this team.

It's not a dislike of him, it's a dislike of his random hype and amount it cost to obtain him.

Actually it all shows how weak our guards are in the absence of Beverly. Showtime vs grit

[Godaddycurse]

The fantasy KAT trade destination that I find really interesting is Toronto.

KAT for FVV, Anunoby, and picks. Doesn’t return the kind of marquee name that many would want but it accomplishes a lot needs for the Wolves.

The team gets a borderline AS PG, another wing to build a top 5 defense around Rudy, and replenishes draft capital.

So we get 1 year of FVV/OG and then they fit FA?

FVV is FA this summer actually so itd be a sign and trade if it does happen which means mininum 3 yrs

[Colbinii]

The fantasy KAT trade destination that I find really interesting is Toronto.

KAT for FVV, Anunoby, and picks. Doesn’t return the kind of marquee name that many would want but it accomplishes a lot needs for the Wolves.

The team gets a borderline AS PG, another wing to build a top 5 defense around Rudy, and replenishes draft capital.

So we get 1 year of FVV/OG and then they fit FA?

FVV is FA this summer actually so itd be a sign and trade if it does happen which means mininum 3 yrs

Yeah but FVV isn't playing at a borderline AS level this year. Its really bad for the Timberwolves

[Dewey]

So we get 1 year of FVV/OG and then they fit FA?

FVV is FA this summer actually so itd be a sign and trade if it does happen which means mininum 3 yrs

Yeah but FVV isn't playing at a borderline AS level this year. Its really bad for the Timberwolves

I don’t hate it pending picks, but also moving DLo for some positive assets vs. expiring would be the key. I have no solutions

[Note30]

So the way I see it, this season is a wash. We'll probably miss the playoffs with a play-in loss.

Making a trade this season would be a bad idea.

However, that means unfortunately, that the only remaining move is to trade KAT at the end of the off-season.

We're just not going to win with him. We spent all our chips on Gobert, and fortunately he is a decent player, but he's just a piece. I think we have only one way to jump back into having some hope.

Trade KAT for defensive gritty role players at the guard and PF positions.

At the PG position we have little choice but to let DLo walk, hopefully we can enact a trade around KAT and Boston to get Smart, Derrick White, and maybe Robert Williams (wishful thinking)?

Something like

Smart/White
Ant / (Hart/Diallo)
McDaniels/ Prince
Kyle Anderson/(Stop Gap Hole)
Gobert/Williams

Try to sign Josh Hart or Hamidou Diallo in the off-season.

Defensively we'd have to be one of the best teams in the league. Our 3 ball would plummet, but we'd be a fun team to watch atleast.

[theGreatRC]

I'd see if we can get Shake Milton from the 76ers if his minutes decline once Maxey comes back.

averaged 20/6/6 as a starter and helped the Sixers go 4-2 with Embiid, Harden and Maxey out

[minimus]

CHI IN: Cam Reddish, Derrick Rose, Nathan Knight, MIN 2nd round pick, NY 2nd round pick
CHI OUT: Alex Caruso, D. Jones Jr., Coby White

Why for CHI: get some depth at wings with Reddish acquisition, maybe some marketing with Rose return

NY IN: DLo, B.Forbes, Coby White
NY OUT: Cam Reddish, Derrick Rose, Fournier, 2nd round pick

Why for NY: Reddish, Rose, Fournier are out of rotation. NY get expiring deals, continues rebuild.

MIN IN: Alex Caruso, D. Jones Jr., Fournier
MIN OUT: DLo, Nathan Knight, B.Forbes, 2nd round pick

Why for MIN: get elite PoA defender. Try to revive Fournier career (maybe french connection with Gobert) if not use contract as salary filler in trade

Gobert/Towns/Reid + Garza
Towns/Anderson/Jones Jr.
MCD/Prince/Moore + Ryan
Edwards/Nowell/Fournier
Caruso/JMac/Rivers

[minimus]

With high probability Lonzo Ball will miss 2022-23 season, would you still trade DLo and Forbes for Ball and Caruso?

[IceManBK1]

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irving(sign and trade)+Simmons for Towns and Prince+filler

Irving
Dlo
Edwards
Simmons
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