Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[andyhop]

Another idea that just came to me. Not a PG of the future, but can help this year and next...

Dennis Schroder?

Highly unlikely we can afford him next year unless Conley walks

He is already signed and we are 2nd apron team next year. It is kinda perfect from a money angle.

Him being signed for next year is the problem, I doubt that ownership will be prepared to pay $30m or whatever the number works out to be including luxury tax for a back up point guard.

Maybe they are happy to spend like the Warriors or Clippers but until I see it I won't expect them to

[winforlose]

Highly unlikely we can afford him next year unless Conley walks

He is already signed and we are 2nd apron team next year. It is kinda perfect from a money angle.

Him being signed for next year is the problem, I doubt that ownership will be prepared to pay $30m or whatever the number works out to be including luxury tax for a back up point guard.

Maybe they are happy to spend like the Warriors or Clippers but until I see it I won't expect them to

That’s the thing, he isn’t just a backup PG, he is the PG of the post Conley, Ant window. He would stay for 2-4 more years while we develop someone behind him (ideally our first round draft pick, or some other young talent we acquire.)

[shrink]

Isaiah Thomas (34) wants to get back in the NBA?

“I’m still trying to play the game of basketball. I want to get back to the NBA. So, I’m still working out and staying ready.”

[Domejandro]

Isaiah Thomas (34) wants to get back in the NBA?

“I’m still trying to play the game of basketball. I want to get back to the NBA. So, I’m still working out and staying ready.”

He's been trying to make a comeback for a while, but he's toast. I would be shocked if he makes it back.

[andyhop]

He is already signed and we are 2nd apron team next year. It is kinda perfect from a money angle.

Him being signed for next year is the problem, I doubt that ownership will be prepared to pay $30m or whatever the number works out to be including luxury tax for a back up point guard.

Maybe they are happy to spend like the Warriors or Clippers but until I see it I won't expect them to

That’s the thing, he isn’t just a backup PG, he is the PG of the post Conley, Ant window. He would stay for 2-4 more years while we develop someone behind him (ideally our first round draft pick, or some other young talent we acquire.)

Unless the post Conley window starts next year the cost is probably too much

[Klomp]

Knowing everything that Tim Connelly and Chris Finch covet, an interesting option could be Talen Horton-Tucker.

1. Size/length
2. Youth (23)
3. Defensive tools
4. Facilitating potential
5. Likely able to give moderate contract extension

He could easily be your new version of Kyle Anderson.

[Neeva]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

[BlacJacMac]

I remember when Lakers fans were convinced THT would bring back multiple 1st round picks…

[winforlose]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

Consolidation trades are almost certainly going to lead to the luxury tax. If we do one it needs to be 2 for 1 and leave enough salary room for Mike to get his bonus and fill the open spot.

[jpatrick]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

Consolidation trades are almost certainly going to lead to the luxury tax. If we do one it needs to be 2 for 1 and leave enough salary room for Mike to get his bonus and fill the open spot.

Do we need to fill the 14th and 15th spots on the roster? Do they count as minimum salary whether we fill them or not?

[winforlose]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

Consolidation trades are almost certainly going to lead to the luxury tax. If we do one it needs to be 2 for 1 and leave enough salary room for Mike to get his bonus and fill the open spot.

Do we need to fill the 14th and 15th spots on the roster? Do they count as minimum salary whether we fill them or not?

15 no, 14 yes. You can be at 13 for two weeks without penalty, but only 2 weeks.

[twolves31]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

Consolidation trades are almost certainly going to lead to the luxury tax. If we do one it needs to be 2 for 1 and leave enough salary room for Mike to get his bonus and fill the open spot.

If the plan is to keep Mike next season, I wonder if he would renegotiate his contract taking out the unlikely incentive this season just to make sure we don't have to worry about it while extending him for 2 additional season with a team option on the last season.

[winforlose]

Utah fans think THT is so feast or famine. I watched him tonight against the Kings and he was absolutely horrible but Kris Dunn was even worse. I wouldn’t mind THT though for his feast games but I wouldn’t give up Slowmo for him and his salary doesn’t fit with what I would be willing to give which is Wendell/shake/jmac. Jazz =tank.

Consolidation trades are almost certainly going to lead to the luxury tax. If we do one it needs to be 2 for 1 and leave enough salary room for Mike to get his bonus and fill the open spot.

If the plan is to keep Mike next season, I wonder if he would renegotiate his contract taking out the unlikely incentive this season just to make sure we don't have to worry about it while extending him for 2 additional season with a team option on the last season.

This is a question not a statement. Are you allowed to retroactively remove unlikely incentives in a season? For example can you tell Mike save us the 1.5 this year and we will pay you 1.5 next year? I have no clue if you can, but that doesn’t sound like something the NBA would let you do. As for next season, I think TC and ownership want Mike to retire in a Wolves jersey. I think Mike might want that too if we are playing WCF or better basketball. He wants glory at this stage (heard he just starts spontaneously stretching every time he thinks about winning a ring.) I think Mike might take a haircut his final 2-3 years to make that happen. He has made over 250Mil, but has no rings. I don’t even think he has been to the finals. Whether he starts or not in later years is the big question and largely depends on his health and availability m.

[Mattya]

I cant remember is Shake unguaranteed next season? According to Sportrac it looks like he has $0 guaranteed next season unless im reading it wrong. If he has salary next year i think that complicated deals for us.

I just doubt this team is going to trade Slowmo. He might be the most realistic salary to make a decent impact trade, but it is so hard to replace how valuable he is defensively. Not to mention Troy Brown Jr would also be hard to replace at that salary.

So we are realistically offering Shake, Moore Jr, Lil Mac and maybe Miller if it is an impact player. Along with second rounders.

So maybe something like Shake, Moore Jr and a future second rounder for Micic from the Thunder?

[winforlose]

I cant remember is Shake unguaranteed next season? According to Sportrac it looks like he has $0 guaranteed next season unless im reading it wrong. If he has salary next year i think that complicated deals for us.

I just doubt this team is going to trade Slowmo. He might be the most realistic salary to make a decent impact trade, but it is so hard to replace how valuable he is defensively. Not to mention Troy Brown Jr would also be hard to replace at that salary.

So we are realistically offering Shake, Moore Jr, Lil Mac and maybe Miller if it is an impact player. Along with second rounders.

So maybe something like Shake, Moore Jr and a future second rounder for Micic from the Thunder?

1. Shake is not guaranteed.
2. We have 822,000 to play with. That includes signing/converting any players to get back to 14. We cannot and will not do a 3 for 1 unless it saves enough to sign two players.
3. Trading JMAC makes no sense if your goal is to add depth at PG. He is a 2.32 million dollar contract. Anyone you sign short of the G league is going to increase cost. If Mike or the backup PG we acquire go down, then we fall back on JMAC. Getting worse in the 3rd string for more money is counterproductive.
4. I doubt we move Miller as he is the likely Slomo replacement next season.

[wolves_89]

When the Evan Mobley news dropped, Keith Smith from the Front Office show said that the Cavs might not break it up, but they probably need a PG to get them by for a while. Also, since they are barely under the lux, they need someone super cheap. The first guy he suggested was Jordan MacLaughlin.

My initial reaction was “Hey, MIN needs a PG too!” But last night when we had our whole roster, Finch went with a nine-man rotation, and MacLaughlin was a DNP-CD, in favor of NAW and SloMo. Also, we should be thinking about the playoffs, and MacLaughlin would likely struggle greatly there because of his size. On the other hand, the Wolves, particularly Naz, played really well two years ago when he was on the court. And we probably couldn’t get more than a 2nd for him (and a roster spot to bring in someone else), so is that really worth the JMAC insurance policy and team chemistry. But a 2nd for Tim Connelly might be good ..?

What do you think? Would you trade JMac for CLE 2025 2nd?

I'm not a McLaughlin fan, but he is the only guy on the roster than could fill Conley's role if Mike misses time. I think that when Conley's healthy the team can adequately fill the backup PG minutes with a combination of Anderson/Ant/NAW. I'm far less confident that the Wolves could successfully fill an additional 28-30 minutes with that group. So, unless the team finds a different true PG I don't think they can trade McLaughlin for a 2nd even if it is good value.

[twolves31]

When the Evan Mobley news dropped, Keith Smith from the Front Office show said that the Cavs might not break it up, but they probably need a PG to get them by for a while. Also, since they are barely under the lux, they need someone super cheap. The first guy he suggested was Jordan MacLaughlin.

My initial reaction was “Hey, MIN needs a PG too!” But last night when we had our whole roster, Finch went with a nine-man rotation, and MacLaughlin was a DNP-CD, in favor of NAW and SloMo. Also, we should be thinking about the playoffs, and MacLaughlin would likely struggle greatly there because of his size. On the other hand, the Wolves, particularly Naz, played really well two years ago when he was on the court. And we probably couldn’t get more than a 2nd for him (and a roster spot to bring in someone else), so is that really worth the JMAC insurance policy and team chemistry. But a 2nd for Tim Connelly might be good ..?

What do you think? Would you trade JMac for CLE 2025 2nd?

I'm not a McLaughlin fan, but he is the only guy on the roster than could fill Conley's role if Mike misses time. I think that when Conley's healthy the team can adequately fill the backup PG minutes with a combination of Anderson/Ant/NAW. I'm far less confident that the Wolves could successfully fill an additional 28-30 minutes with that group. So, unless the team finds a different true PG I don't think they can trade McLaughlin for a 2nd even if it is good value.

I think an issue with McLaughlin is that he hasn't shown he can stay healthy playing 15 minutes per game or less, if we are relying on him as our backup if Conley misses games, we are going to run McLaughlin down. If you trade him for a 2nd, the intention has to be that you can get a pg elsewhere either a trade or the buyout market. NAW actually isn't too bad setting up the offense, it's not his specialty but he has a knack for finding open 3pt shooters spotted up.

[Klomp]

What would people think about a Shake Milton for Davion Mitchell trade?

[wolves_89]

What would people think about a Shake Milton for Davion Mitchell trade?

I think the value would be good, but I'm not seeing how Mitchell would help the Wolves. Davion is a terrible shooter and with Anderson/Gobert in the rotation it would be really hard to add another non-shooter to the mix. Another issue is that Mitchell isn't really a PG meaning he wouldn't help much in shoring up the Wolves weakest spot. Anderson's skill set is more suited to the PG role than Mitchell.

[BlacJacMac]

What would people think about a Shake Milton for Davion Mitchell trade?

I think the value would be good, but I'm not seeing how Mitchell would help the Wolves. Davion is a terrible shooter and with Anderson/Gobert in the rotation it would be really hard to add another non-shooter to the mix. Another issue is that Mitchell isn't really a PG meaning he wouldn't help much in shoring up the Wolves weakest spot. Anderson's skill set is more suited to the PG role than Mitchell.

Plus I believe they picked up his 6.5M option for next year.