Constructing the Timberwolves rotation

[KGdaBom]

Im legit just asking questions because I think the logic is hypocritical. I don’t know why you’re getting so defensive.

I'm getting frustrated with your questions, because my whole point is that other sports don't have bonus scoring based on distance and your questions have to do with different points being awarded for TDs vs FGs vs the point after conversions.

and I don’t see how you can say one thing is any less arbitrary than the other. Football just says “oh well we gonna make this field goal worth one and this touchdown worth 2 now”

Why be mad at scoring based on distance and not different scoring based on just becauses?

As I said you just want to argue. A point after TD is not a FG or a TD.

[Mattya]

I'm getting frustrated with your questions, because my whole point is that other sports don't have bonus scoring based on distance and your questions have to do with different points being awarded for TDs vs FGs vs the point after conversions.

and I don’t see how you can say one thing is any less arbitrary than the other. Football just says “oh well we gonna make this field goal worth one and this touchdown worth 2 now”

Why be mad at scoring based on distance and not different scoring based on just becauses?

As I said you just want to argue. A point after TD is not a FG or a TD.

I think you are projecting. I’m just pointing out the selective outrage over 3 pointers and not arbitrary NFL scoring. If you can’t acknowledge it is arbitrary and just as silly then you are just showing your bias. That’s not on me.

[KGdaBom]

and I don’t see how you can say one thing is any less arbitrary than the other. Football just says “oh well we gonna make this field goal worth one and this touchdown worth 2 now”

Why be mad at scoring based on distance and not different scoring based on just becauses?

As I said you just want to argue. A point after TD is not a FG or a TD.

I think you are projecting. I’m just pointing out the selective outrage over 3 pointers and not arbitrary NFL scoring. If you can’t acknowledge it is arbitrary and just as silly then you are just showing your bias. That’s not on me.

Every scoring system is arbitrary. The founders of the sport can make anything they want count for anything they want. I was specifically complaining about the basketball 3 point shot because it was awarded bonus points based on distance while no other notable sport does that. I'm not required to complain about the amount of points awarded to various football plays. If you want to complain about those be my guest it has nothing to do with my issue with the 3 point shot.

[Mattya]

As I said you just want to argue. A point after TD is not a FG or a TD.

I think you are projecting. I’m just pointing out the selective outrage over 3 pointers and not arbitrary NFL scoring. If you can’t acknowledge it is arbitrary and just as silly then you are just showing your bias. That’s not on me.

Every scoring system is arbitrary. The founders of the sport can make anything they want count for anything they want. I was specifically complaining about the basketball 3 point shot because it was awarded bonus points based on distance while no other notable sport does that. I'm not required to complain about the amount of points awarded to various football plays. If you want to complain about those be my guest it has nothing to do with my issue with the 3 point shot.

Would you be less angry if people had to kick the ball from behind the three point line to score?

[KGdaBom]

I think you are projecting. I’m just pointing out the selective outrage over 3 pointers and not arbitrary NFL scoring. If you can’t acknowledge it is arbitrary and just as silly then you are just showing your bias. That’s not on me.

Every scoring system is arbitrary. The founders of the sport can make anything they want count for anything they want. I was specifically complaining about the basketball 3 point shot because it was awarded bonus points based on distance while no other notable sport does that. I'm not required to complain about the amount of points awarded to various football plays. If you want to complain about those be my guest it has nothing to do with my issue with the 3 point shot.

Would you be less angry if people had to kick the ball from behind the three point line to score?

Why do you feel the need to be a pain in the rear end about this. I hate the 3. It is my right to hate the 3. I'm not obligated to hate any other way of scoring in any other sport. Shall I answer your stupid question here. No I'm not going to because of the idiocy of the question. I don't want to put you on ignore, but I will if you insist.

[Mattya]

Every scoring system is arbitrary. The founders of the sport can make anything they want count for anything they want. I was specifically complaining about the basketball 3 point shot because it was awarded bonus points based on distance while no other notable sport does that. I'm not required to complain about the amount of points awarded to various football plays. If you want to complain about those be my guest it has nothing to do with my issue with the 3 point shot.

Would you be less angry if people had to kick the ball from behind the three point line to score?

Why do you feel the need to be a pain in the rear end about this. I hate the 3. It is my right to hate the 3. I'm not obligated to hate any other way of scoring in any other sport. Shall I answer your stupid question here. No I'm not going to because of the idiocy of the question. I don't want to put you on ignore, but I will if you insist.

Stop making the threat of ignoring people for show and just do it. You could just answer the questions and not take realgm so seriously as well. Flaunting it in your posts just makes you look silly. I don’t brag about the people I have on ignore

[KGdaBom]

Would you be less angry if people had to kick the ball from behind the three point line to score?

Why do you feel the need to be a pain in the rear end about this. I hate the 3. It is my right to hate the 3. I'm not obligated to hate any other way of scoring in any other sport. Shall I answer your stupid question here. No I'm not going to because of the idiocy of the question. I don't want to put you on ignore, but I will if you insist.

Stop making the threat of ignoring people for show and just do it. You could just answer the questions and not take realgm so seriously as well. Flaunting it in your posts just makes you look silly. I don’t brag about the people I have on ignore

You really feel that asking me if I want NBA basketball players kicking the ball at the basket is a legit question?

[Mattya]

Why do you feel the need to be a pain in the rear end about this. I hate the 3. It is my right to hate the 3. I'm not obligated to hate any other way of scoring in any other sport. Shall I answer your stupid question here. No I'm not going to because of the idiocy of the question. I don't want to put you on ignore, but I will if you insist.

Stop making the threat of ignoring people for show and just do it. You could just answer the questions and not take realgm so seriously as well. Flaunting it in your posts just makes you look silly. I don’t brag about the people I have on ignore

You really feel that asking me if I want NBA basketball players kicking the ball at the basket is a legit question?

Why not? Why was it okay for football to create a rule like this and not spark ridicule, but if the NBA where to do it now it’s absurd? Even football has evolved how scoring and points work since the early 1900s.

[KGdaBom]

Stop making the threat of ignoring people for show and just do it. You could just answer the questions and not take realgm so seriously as well. Flaunting it in your posts just makes you look silly. I don’t brag about the people I have on ignore

You really feel that asking me if I want NBA basketball players kicking the ball at the basket is a legit question?

Why not? Why was it okay for football to create a rule like this and not spark ridicule, but if the NBA where to do it now it’s absurd? Even football has evolved how scoring and points work since the early 1900s.

You have to be kidding. Mattya come on. The name of that game is American FOOTBALL where kicking the ball was part of it's very foundation and kicking the ball with your foot is part of all the variations of football. Basketball has always had rules against kicking the ball and I don't even like the three point shot as I think it makes a mockery of the game. I would quit watching basketball altogether if they ever incorporated kicking the ball into the game. You make comments like this and PM me that you're not trolling me. I'm not going to respond to any more comments by you on this. If you feel like making any more have fun.

[Mattya]

You really feel that asking me if I want NBA basketball players kicking the ball at the basket is a legit question?

Why not? Why was it okay for football to create a rule like this and not spark ridicule, but if the NBA where to do it now it’s absurd? Even football has evolved how scoring and points work since the early 1900s.

You have to be kidding. Mattya come on. The name of that game is American FOOTBALL where kicking the ball was part of it's very foundation and kicking the ball with your foot is part of all the variations of football. Basketball has always had rules against kicking the ball and I don't even like the three point shot as I think it makes a mockery of the game. I would quit watching basketball altogether if they ever incorporated kicking the ball into the game. You make comments like this and PM me that you're not trolling me. I'm not going to respond to any more comments by you on this. If you feel like making any more have fun.

Do I need to post the private messages that you initiated? I told you in there that I’m trying to understand your logic, but you continue to project that this is some sort of personal attack on you. This is realGM, stop taking this board so seriously because I can assure you that your opinion is not that important to me. If you respected me like you claimed in the initial private message you’ll do me the favor of putting me on ignore and save me from your antics.

[Klomp]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

[KGdaBom]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

Games do evolve, but they also devolve. That is how I feel about the 3. I think sometimes the equipment gets too good like in tennis with the original sized wooden rackets the players couldn't just swing with all their might at every shot and keep the ball in the court. It required more strategy and finesse than power and was much more interesting. Aluminum bats used in college make for a worse game than wooden bats in MLB. I'm not sure if the improved equipment has made golf better or worse. It's your right to like the three and at one time it was a kind of fun novelty. Now it has got out of control and IMO it has ruined the game.

I have to whine about the three about one stretch every year. Back to the rotation.

[Bruteque]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

People get nostalgic about a transitional period that cannot be re-created with the removal of the 3-pointer. You look at the era just before Bird/Magic and the advent of the 3-pointer. It wasn't the idyllic "exciting finesse post up" picture of the Bird/Magic and Jordan era; it was "muscle beach" with 3-on-3/4-on-4 wrestling and lines of scrimmage. The game without the 3-pointer was getting "figured out" and it was ugly as fuq.

The only thing that enabled the "post up luv" some people miss was the introduction of the 3-pointer. Ironically, what killed the post up wasn't offenses realizing that 3-pointers were pretty good deals and shooting more of them; it was how good defenses were becoming at defending the post up with easy double/triple/quadruple team despite the threat of the 3-pointer, because players simply couldn't shoot high enough percentages from behind the arc.

The moment that they figured out that they had been guarding Olajuwon all wrong all this time and should have just pack the paint all day and let them shoot the 3s instead, the post up wasn't coming back. You want to bring that back? You introduce the 4-pointer.

[KGdaBom]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

People get nostalgic about a transitional period that cannot be re-created with the removal of the 3-pointer. You look at the era just before Bird/Magic and the advent of the 3-pointer. It wasn't the idyllic "exciting finesse post up" picture of the Bird/Magic and Jordan era; it was "muscle beach" with 3-on-3/4-on-4 wrestling and lines of scrimmage. The game without the 3-pointer was getting "figured out" and it was ugly as fuq.

The only thing that enabled the "post up luv" some people miss was the introduction of the 3-pointer. Ironically, what killed the post up wasn't offenses realizing that 3-pointers were pretty good deals and shooting more of them; it was how good defenses were becoming at defending the post up with easy double/triple/quadruple team despite the threat of the 3-pointer, because players simply couldn't shoot high enough percentages from behind the arc.

The moment that they figured out that they had been guarding Olajuwon all wrong all this time and should have just pack the paint all day and let them shoot the 3s instead, the post up wasn't coming back. You want to bring that back? You introduce the 4-pointer.

I loved the kind of basketball you are calling ugly. I don't think it is impossible to work the ball in for close shots. Regardless of the three or not the teams that win will be the teams that figure out how to score most efficiently. I can't wait for the 25 point shot to become a reality. NOT!!

I know the 3 point shot won't be removed from basketball, but maybe we can move it back 5 feet to make it a lower percentage so we don't have games of nothing but launching from distance, because to me that is boring as hell. When players start getting too good at the new distance move the line back another 5 feet. The three should not be a shot for the masses. It should be reserved for only the elite shooters.

[minimus]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

People get nostalgic about a transitional period that cannot be re-created with the removal of the 3-pointer. You look at the era just before Bird/Magic and the advent of the 3-pointer. It wasn't the idyllic "exciting finesse post up" picture of the Bird/Magic and Jordan era; it was "muscle beach" with 3-on-3/4-on-4 wrestling and lines of scrimmage. The game without the 3-pointer was getting "figured out" and it was ugly as fuq.

The only thing that enabled the "post up luv" some people miss was the introduction of the 3-pointer. Ironically, what killed the post up wasn't offenses realizing that 3-pointers were pretty good deals and shooting more of them; it was how good defenses were becoming at defending the post up with easy double/triple/quadruple team despite the threat of the 3-pointer, because players simply couldn't shoot high enough percentages from behind the arc.

The moment that they figured out that they had been guarding Olajuwon all wrong all this time and should have just pack the paint all day and let them shoot the 3s instead, the post up wasn't coming back. You want to bring that back? You introduce the 4-pointer.

+100500

[shrink]

Good posts. These point out that we have different opinions about what good basketball looks like. It felt to me that without a three point shot, (and zone defenses?) and hand checking, there was just no room for (IMO) “pretty” basketball underneath.

I agree also with people that say the players have caught up to the three pointer, and they maximize the scoring, basketball looks (IMO) to be losing some of it’s prettiness again.

Getting fans to adopt the three pointer in the first place was hard — people thought it was gimmicky. It should be much easier nowadays to simply move it back a few feet. I’m not sure if that means widening the court so corner three’s aren’t shot from a folding chair on the bench.

[Jedzz]

A three point line pushed back ends up stopping on the sides and there is no longer a corner three. This not only makes it harder to hit 3s by distance, but also lowers the amount of court space that 3s need to be defended from. It might really even that out some while at the same time creating a lot of open space inside the arc. Long two's would likely return purely from the open shots players would be seeing.

Of course the Bookers and Stephs would just keep hitting them from the logo.

[KGdaBom]

Games evolve.

If you want to go back to the old peach basket era when there were no jump shots, go ahead (btw Towns and Reid would dominate that game).

Now back to the rotation.....

People get nostalgic about a transitional period that cannot be re-created with the removal of the 3-pointer. You look at the era just before Bird/Magic and the advent of the 3-pointer. It wasn't the idyllic "exciting finesse post up" picture of the Bird/Magic and Jordan era; it was "muscle beach" with 3-on-3/4-on-4 wrestling and lines of scrimmage. The game without the 3-pointer was getting "figured out" and it was ugly as fuq.

The only thing that enabled the "post up luv" some people miss was the introduction of the 3-pointer. Ironically, what killed the post up wasn't offenses realizing that 3-pointers were pretty good deals and shooting more of them; it was how good defenses were becoming at defending the post up with easy double/triple/quadruple team despite the threat of the 3-pointer, because players simply couldn't shoot high enough percentages from behind the arc.

The moment that they figured out that they had been guarding Olajuwon all wrong all this time and should have just pack the paint all day and let them shoot the 3s instead, the post up wasn't coming back. You want to bring that back? You introduce the 4-pointer.

+100500

-100500

[KGdaBom]

Good posts. These point out that we have different opinions about what good basketball looks like. It felt to me that without a three point shot, (and zone defenses?) and hand checking, there was just no room for (IMO) “pretty” basketball underneath.

I agree also with people that say the players have caught up to the three pointer, and they maximize the scoring, basketball looks (IMO) to be losing some of it’s prettiness again.

Getting fans to adopt the three pointer in the first place was hard — people thought it was gimmicky. It should be much easier nowadays to simply move it back a few feet. I’m not sure if that means widening the court so corner three’s aren’t shot from a folding chair on the bench.

Just get rid of the corner three.

[minimus]

People get nostalgic about a transitional period that cannot be re-created with the removal of the 3-pointer. You look at the era just before Bird/Magic and the advent of the 3-pointer. It wasn't the idyllic "exciting finesse post up" picture of the Bird/Magic and Jordan era; it was "muscle beach" with 3-on-3/4-on-4 wrestling and lines of scrimmage. The game without the 3-pointer was getting "figured out" and it was ugly as fuq.

The only thing that enabled the "post up luv" some people miss was the introduction of the 3-pointer. Ironically, what killed the post up wasn't offenses realizing that 3-pointers were pretty good deals and shooting more of them; it was how good defenses were becoming at defending the post up with easy double/triple/quadruple team despite the threat of the 3-pointer, because players simply couldn't shoot high enough percentages from behind the arc.

The moment that they figured out that they had been guarding Olajuwon all wrong all this time and should have just pack the paint all day and let them shoot the 3s instead, the post up wasn't coming back. You want to bring that back? You introduce the 4-pointer.

+100500

-100500

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