Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[babyjax13]

Some point guard ideas: De'Anthony Melton, Jevon Carter, Andrew Nembhard, Derrick White, Fred VanVleet, Tre Jones, Alex Caruso, Tyus Jones, TJ McConnell, Kyle Lowry

Not sure any of these guys individually are a solution, but I think any of them could help with some of Minnesota's issues.

[Klomp]

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(ahem, that's exactly what I've speculated here...)

[moss_is_1]

With high probability Lonzo Ball will miss 2022-23 season, would you still trade DLo and Forbes for Ball and Caruso?

Absolutely.

[breatnach]

I don't buy the Arod/Lore instant impact blame for the Gobert trade simply because of the huge contract and security they gave TC when they brought him in.
This was all on TC.

I also think so, simply because Gobert is not the big name you'd target if you want to make a big splash. I think ARod would have preferred a bigger market name like Kyrie or Westbrook (which would have been similarly bad moves, albeit perhaps cheaper).

[breatnach]

Any chance the Heat would be interested in a D'Lo for Lowry swap?

I don't think the Heat are going anywhere, so they clear cap space and try to rebuild. They are a major FA destination, so having cap space is more valuable to them than most teams. D'Lo expires a year sooner and Lowry provides much needed veteran leadership, while giving Ant more shots.

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[IceManBK1]

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

Interesting you used the term “we” as the Knicks.

And, MIN would say no. Connelly couldn’t take so much less in return after 20 games without admitting failure.

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I can’t believe this is legit - the title is just to get a lot of clicks. The summation of the article makes a good case.

However, I doubt Connelly would have traded as much as he did for Gobert if he and the coaching staff didn’t believe strongly that they could make Gobert and KAT operate at a high level together. It would be entirely too long of a con because neither player can be traded until next season. As Vernon points out in The Mismatch, KAT is a better fit with Edwards on paper because floor spacing is helpful for Edwards. Additionally, the media would still criticize Connelly for the Gobert trade, even if they moved KAT and won a championship. Why? Because the optics of claiming it was your master plan to lie to one of your best players for a year just so you could trade him would be awful, regardless of the outcome.

[Domejandro]

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

That is a horrible base for a trade unless a HUGE amount of picks are involved.

[IceManBK1]

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

That is a horrible base for a trade unless a HUGE amount of picks are involved.

Picks r overrated.. Reasons we gave up so many picks is jazz didn't get any Allstars. Randle is an all star and Quickley a very good PG. Maybe we also get Mitchell in the deal along 2 1st riders. But if Gobert/Towns don't work then don't think Towns/Mitchell works neither.

[Note30]

Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

That is a horrible base for a trade unless a HUGE amount of picks are involved.

Picks r overrated.. Reasons we gave up so many picks is jazz didn't get any Allstars. Randle is an all star and Quickley a very good PG. Maybe we also get Mitchell in the deal along 2 1st riders. But if Gobert/Towns don't work then don't think Towns/Mitchell works neither.

Dude what. Randle is a ball hog that shoots at a **** efficiency and is not a solid all star he just had one good season.

Quickley is a passable PG. That's it. Prince level player.

My god this trade is a **** show. If we're gonna trade anyone at this point it's gonna be KAT.

[shangrila]

I don't buy the Arod/Lore instant impact blame for the Gobert trade simply because of the huge contract and security they gave TC when they brought him in.
This was all on TC.

I also think so, simply because Gobert is not the big name you'd target if you want to make a big splash. I think ARod would have preferred a bigger market name like Kyrie or Westbrook (which would have been similarly bad moves, albeit perhaps cheaper).

What's more believable? That a new GM, notorious for hating to make trades and preferring to build via the draft, comes into a completely new team he's unfamiliar with and immediately makes a huge trade sending out a ton of picks and players for a player he's never been attached to previously.

Or that a couple of new, notoriously risk taking owners bought into the hype from last season that we were "just one piece away" and "we'd have beat Memphis if we rebounded/defended better" so pushed their shiny new GM to go and fix those 2 issues no matter what?

I just don't buy that this was Connelly driven. That doesn't absolve him of blame or anything but it's equally moronic to try and believe it's all on him.

[Colbinii]

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

No. Minnesota is all-in on Gobert. As the team continues to gel and identify the ways it wins, this will become more evident.

[Klomp]

What's more believable? That a new GM, notorious for hating to make trades and preferring to build via the draft, comes into a completely new team he's unfamiliar with and immediately makes a huge trade sending out a ton of picks and players for a player he's never been attached to previously.

I made a post on this a long time ago but don't get too attached to individual picks with Connelly. While it's true that he prefers to build through the draft, he has never been afraid to trade picks. Go back and count how many times Denver made a draft pick with their own selection...I think it's under five times in the first round. They were always trading picks whether on draft night or a year in advance. That's part of why I feel so confident of the possibility to replenish lost picks down the road.

From May (Page 10 of Connelly hiring thread):

Has traded away quite a few draft picks in the past few years. Owe 2023 and 2025 1sts essentially for Aaron Gordon.

This is one of my big takeaways. Does a lot of pick trading. Doesn't mean he doesn't value draft picks; he just doesn't get too attached to a particular draft slot. He also does a lot of asset splitting, multiple times getting a 1st in the process. Traded down in the draft twice, with mixed results. Will also trade up or even back into the draft if he likes a guy enough.

Had a fair share of cap-clearing salary dumps that weren't necessarily great value, but were either owner-mandated or used to set up free agency and/or locking guys up.

[lewdog]

What type of package (pre-Rudy trade) could've we offered Indiana for Turner?

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Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

No. Minnesota is all-in on Gobert. As the team continues to gel and identify the ways it wins, this will become more evident.

That's not happening.

[Colbinii]

Any chance we can get Gobert for Randle+Quickley+couple of 1st riders?

No. Minnesota is all-in on Gobert. As the team continues to gel and identify the ways it wins, this will become more evident.

That's not happening.

Time will tell. Lots of things happen in this world that you would say "Thats not happening" to and are far less likely than Gobert and company turning it around.

[minimus]

That is a horrible base for a trade unless a HUGE amount of picks are involved.

Picks r overrated.. Reasons we gave up so many picks is jazz didn't get any Allstars. Randle is an all star and Quickley a very good PG. Maybe we also get Mitchell in the deal along 2 1st riders. But if Gobert/Towns don't work then don't think Towns/Mitchell works neither.

Dude what. Randle is a ball hog that shoots at a **** efficiency and is not a solid all star he just had one good season.

Quickley is a passable PG. That's it. Prince level player.

My god this trade is a **** show. If we're gonna trade anyone at this point it's gonna be KAT.

IceManBK1 is known for horrible trades ideas. He is basically anti-Gupta

[TwolvesFanRome]

What type of package (pre-Rudy trade) could've we offered Indiana for Turner?

I really really like Turner...

Maybe Beasley Vanderbilt + picks?