Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

[minimus]

As well as I understand NYK put an ultra small lineup with Achuiwa, Bridges and three guards against Wemby lead SAS unit in clutch. Aaand, did not lose battle in paint. Sure, if you have Josh Hart it is already a big mismatch in rebounding, but my point stands: you can win with small lineups

[BlacJacMac]

As well as I understand NYK put an ultra small lineup with Achuiwa, Bridges and three guards against Wemby lead SAS unit in clutch. Aaand, did not lose battle in paint. Sure, if you have Josh Hart it is already a big mismatch in rebounding, but my point stands: you can win with small lineups

Achiuwa averages over 10 RPG/36 for his career. And is at 12.6 this year. Like Hart, he plays much bigger than his size.

That's more than double McDaniels + Johnson.

Sure you can play small sometimes, but it probably shouldn't be your regular starting lineup.

[TimberKat]

As well as I understand NYK put an ultra small lineup with Achuiwa, Bridges and three guards against Wemby lead SAS unit in clutch. Aaand, did not lose battle in paint. Sure, if you have Josh Hart it is already a big mismatch in rebounding, but my point stands: you can win with small lineups

Achiuwa averages over 10 RPG/36 for his career. And is at 12.6 this year. Like Hart, he plays much bigger than his size.

That's more than double McDaniels + Johnson.

Sure you can play small sometimes, but it probably shouldn't be your regular starting lineup.

It helps when Wemby wants to be a SG too. I didn't see any post up when NYK go small. GSW did win with small lineup (generally speaking).

[Norseman79]

Small ball lineups can work when you have elite talent at multiple positions. Any lineup can work in different games.

Whether or not it can work isn't the question, what provides you the better advantage? Undersize players that are skilled or oversized players that are skilled? I would argue that you are more likely to win going big then you are going small, assuming you don't just have a bunch of lumbering oafs that can't move.

[minimus]

As well as I understand NYK put an ultra small lineup with Achuiwa, Bridges and three guards against Wemby lead SAS unit in clutch. Aaand, did not lose battle in paint. Sure, if you have Josh Hart it is already a big mismatch in rebounding, but my point stands: you can win with small lineups

Achiuwa averages over 10 RPG/36 for his career. And is at 12.6 this year. Like Hart, he plays much bigger than his size.

That's more than double McDaniels + Johnson.

Sure you can play small sometimes, but it probably shouldn't be your regular starting lineup.

Achiuwa for a few years was part of TOR/Nurse/Ujiri experiment: when the played with multiple wings in rotations. So yeah, hу was indeed playing C role in TOR. So he is not wing who is playing big, he is more big with wing size. Also I am kind of find PER36 stats less informative without context. I agree that ANY lineup must be decided on matchup, not dogmatic

[Klomp]

So I’ve been hearing rumors that DEN is so desperate for another scorer that they might trade MPJ for Zach LaVine or Brandon Ingram, but they come with additional problems for the Nuggets - namely that DEN loses a lot of size with LaVine, and Ingram wants to get paid, and the Nuggets ownership is historically very cheap. I think they would pull the trigger on a Randle-for-MPJ deal. Julius has played well with better passers, and if it didn’t work, DEN ownership could bail financially.

I think it's interesting because Randle can help fill the Jokic rest minutes as the hub of the offense. Not sure they deal with us though.

[shrink]

So I’ve been hearing rumors that DEN is so desperate for another scorer that they might trade MPJ for Zach LaVine or Brandon Ingram, but they come with additional problems for the Nuggets - namely that DEN loses a lot of size with LaVine, and Ingram wants to get paid, and the Nuggets ownership is historically very cheap. I think they would pull the trigger on a Randle-for-MPJ deal. Julius has played well with better passers, and if it didn’t work, DEN ownership could bail financially.

I think it's interesting because Randle can help fill the Jokic rest minutes as the hub of the offense. Not sure they deal with us though.

Well, I don’t know what package we’d get for MPJ in a three way, but if they thought they were getting stronger, and we were getting weaker, it might be additional incentive for them to make that trade.

[Norseman79]

After games that he looks good, are the games that we need to be shopping him. If he can string a couple of good games together, I would sit him down until you find a trade.

[Baseline81]

I know people are down on Randle, but I think he has trade value. He’s averaging 20-7-4, and he’s been an All NBA PF twice in the last four years. His $33 mil contract is not excessive in today’s NBA, plus there is a decent chance he could b an expiring. This is the type of mercenary talent that teams go after for a playoff run.

At this point, he's a salary dump and second round picks... some value.

[Loaf_of_bread]

After games that he looks good, are the games that we need to be shopping him. If he can string a couple of good games together, I would sit him down until you find a trade.

Post of the year candidate

[cmoss84]

Chi in: Butler, Robinson, JJJ
Miami in: Randle and Lavine
MN in: Ball, Jovic, Burks, draft picks

[frankenwolf]

You would like Dilly and Garza? We need them on the roster in order to play them.

At this point, I think I would. I don't get to watch the games, but if the team has no desire, has a lack of direction, "Not any fun to watch" then turn the young ones loose. As far as I'm concerned, Randle is what Randle has always been, worthless for a playoff team. Does he have some good attributes that TC thought we needed? Yes, but it has come at the cost of harmony and desire. From all I'm hearing, this team is back to the early 2000's in attitude. I had hoped that Finch & Ant would keep things going the way they were, but it sounds not very happy right now, even after wins.

I will put this out there, the Wolves will win tonight.

I'll take it one step further. I personally guarantee that the Wolves will not lose tonight.

Thanks for having my back Blac! This whole Christmas season has my calendar off.

[winforlose]

After games that he looks good, are the games that we need to be shopping him. If he can string a couple of good games together, I would sit him down until you find a trade.

You do know other teams have league pass? I mean putting aside the professional scouts, GM war rooms, and general common sense, we will perform better without him. The moment you bench Randle and we play better the game is up.

[Norseman79]

After games that he looks good, are the games that we need to be shopping him. If he can string a couple of good games together, I would sit him down until you find a trade.

You do know other teams have league pass? I mean putting aside the professional scouts, GM war rooms, and general common sense, we will perform better without him. The moment you bench Randle and we play better the game is up.

I'm just saying, if he has a few good games in a row, you find a trade, give him a "rest" day or "illness", and move him. All of those things you said are true, but if he gets injured before you can move him all is lost.

**In addition, if he starts getting DNP or moves to bench value will drop too**

[winforlose]

After games that he looks good, are the games that we need to be shopping him. If he can string a couple of good games together, I would sit him down until you find a trade.

You do know other teams have league pass? I mean putting aside the professional scouts, GM war rooms, and general common sense, we will perform better without him. The moment you bench Randle and we play better the game is up.

I'm just saying, if he has a few good games in a row, you find a trade, give him a "rest" day or "illness", and move him. All of those things you said are true, but if he gets injured before you can move him all is lost.

**In addition, if he starts getting DNP or moves to bench value will drop too**

I know. I was mostly being cute. My point which is not well made, is that Randle being out will make us win more and play better. As bad he looks on bad games, it is worse when teams realize the addition by subtraction of it all.

[cmoss84]

I don't think you can ignore the dynamics/records of the East vs West. Someone in the East will be willing to roll the dice.
(An example a bit this way ^)

[Klomp]

I don't think you can ignore the dynamics/records of the East vs West. Someone in the East will be willing to roll the dice.
(An example a bit this way ^)

Well said.

[winforlose]

DJM is playing so badly since getting back from the hand injury it is possible that they sell low. Then again, because they gave ATL so much for him, the Pels FO might be to afraid to move DJM until his value rebounds.

[Klomp]

Left-field idea. It has to happen in the offseason though, second apron strikes by about $200k. Doubt it happens, but an interesting thought exercise.

Jaden McDaniels for Dyson Daniels and Bogdan Bogdanovic.

[cmoss84]

Not sexy at all. But would you trade Randle for:
Ball, Smith, some kind of draft pick?