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Post#641 » by Nitroglycerin » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:50 pm

Id be dissapointed if we do trade him. I dont think the MLE is an overpay.
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Post#642 » by FinnTheHuman » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:58 pm

Yep, I really won't understand not bringing him over here. We are the least talented at PF, and we don't want to pay the Euroleague MVP 15/3 to play at that position.

Instead we'll sell him low...
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Post#643 » by Worm Guts » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:05 pm

I wonder if there some sort of plan to use cap space in the next couple offseasons. That seems like a possible reason Flip would be hesitant to pay Bjelica.
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Post#644 » by Foye » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:15 pm

They should really sign him unless he is part of a bigger deal.
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Post#645 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:28 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Yep, I really won't understand not bringing him over here. We are the least talented at PF, and we don't want to pay the Euroleague MVP 15/3 to play at that position.

Instead we'll sell him low...

I agree, the Wolves should sign him and let him compete for PF minutes. Garnett isn't going to play all that many minutes and Towns can spend a large chunk of his minutes at center, so there are quite a few rotation minutes for Payne, Bennett, and Bjelica to fight over. Hopefully one of the three will emerge as an answer at PF going forward.
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Post#646 » by Takingbaconback » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:35 pm

I'd be down to trade him for 14-16th pick in the draft but there is nothing better to do with the money than to just pay him.
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Post#647 » by Worm Guts » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:40 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:I'd be down to trade him for 14-16th pick in the draft but there is nothing better to do with the money than to just pay him.


There's not right now, but Chase and Bennett come off the books next season, and there could be the thought of a big name free agent who would want to play with Towns and Wiggins. Although I haven't really looked at next years free agents or our financials to know what's viable.
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Post#648 » by Takingbaconback » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:20 pm

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Takingbaconback wrote:I'd be down to trade him for 14-16th pick in the draft but there is nothing better to do with the money than to just pay him.


There's not right now, but Chase and Bennett come off the books next season, and there could be the thought of a big name free agent who would want to play with Towns and Wiggins. Although I haven't really looked at next years free agents or our financials to know what's viable.


True. Either way I hope we can somehow send him in a package for Tres Lyles or something. That would be awesome.
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Post#649 » by Saltine » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:34 pm

We'll be ~$34 million under in 2016/17, with Pek and Martin on the books, sans Bennett.
The only really big name guys at the 4/5 that might make sense who will be UFA's that summer are Horford (30 years old), Noah(31) and Hibbert(29), and Kevin Love ;-). Valanciunas and Anthony Davis will be an RFA's. At the guard Spots it's just Conley (28), Lillard will be an RFA. At SF Durant (27) will be an UFA as well...

That's about it for upgrades that aren't really old, or cheap.
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Post#650 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:49 pm

Saltine wrote:We'll be ~$34 million under in 2016/17, with Pek and Martin on the books, sans Bennett.
The only really big name guys at the 4/5 that might make sense who with be UFA's that summer are Horford (30 years old), Noah(31) and Hibbert(29), and Kevin Love ;-). Valanciunas and Anthony Davis will be an RFA's. At the guard Spots it's just Conley (28), Lillard will be an RFA. At SF Durant (27) will be an UFA as well...

That's about it for upgrades that aren't really old, or cheap.

It's not only the summer of 16 we have to plan for, it's the summer of 17 and beyond, too. That's when we start dealing with extensions:

2017: Muhammad, Dieng, Bennett
2018: Wiggins, LaVine, Payne
2019: Towns (Rubio new deal)

Remember that max contracts are roughly 25% of the salary cap. As of right now, we're probably looking at two guys at/near the max, maybe more.
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Post#651 » by Saltine » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:43 pm

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Saltine wrote:We'll be ~$34 million under in 2016/17, with Pek and Martin on the books, sans Bennett.
The only really big name guys at the 4/5 that might make sense who with be UFA's that summer are Horford (30 years old), Noah(31) and Hibbert(29), and Kevin Love ;-). Valanciunas and Anthony Davis will be an RFA's. At the guard Spots it's just Conley (28), Lillard will be an RFA. At SF Durant (27) will be an UFA as well...

That's about it for upgrades that aren't really old, or cheap.

It's not only the summer of 16 we have to plan for, it's the summer of 17 and beyond, too. That's when we start dealing with extensions:

2017: Muhammad, Dieng, Bennett
2018: Wiggins, LaVine, Payne
2019: Towns (Rubio new deal)

Remember that max contracts are roughly 25% of the salary cap. As of right now, we're probably looking at two guys at/near the max, maybe more.


This is true, luckily Pek's deal falls off right before Wiggins hypothetical Max deal starts in 2018.
The 2017 FA's are Blake Griffin, Westbrook, Rose, Curry, and Ibaka.

2017 current contracts;
Rubio - $13.75m
Pek - $11.6m
Wiggins - $7.574m
Towns - $6.0m
Zach - $3.2m
Payne - $3.1m
= $45.224m contracts
2017 Cap = $108 million - $45.224m
= 62.776 million -
Bazz - New Deal ($7.5m?)
Dieng - New Deal ($7.5m?)
Who knows what Bazz and Dieng will be worth by 2017? $15m combined?
=47.776m

The Cap is supposed to go down to $100m in 2018 for some reason (up to $107m in 2019), so the Max should start ~$25m for Wiggins in 2018. The Wolves would still have plenty of cash under the cap in 2018 after Wiggins Max. Who knows about Zach... Things look very good from a cap point of view, the tax doesn't start until you blow past $130m in 2019, lol
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Post#652 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:31 am

A 3 year/15 million dollar contract for Bjelica wouldn't have much impact on extensions, it would be expired before Wiggins gets his.
It will interesting to see if we go after someone next year though, it sounds like we definitely have the room.
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Post#653 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:51 am

After thinking about it more, next summer will definitely be the time to do something. The extensions will limit our potential moves in the future, so need to strike while we still have space.

While 3/15 won't impact much, it's still 5m invested three years out for a guy who's already 27.
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Post#654 » by Mattya » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:54 am

I think Hibbert and Ryan Anderson are some realistic guys we could be looking at. I'm skeptical we will be able to lure any max contract players. If we could get Hibbert on a 3 year deal for 45 I would be happy. He could be our version of Bogut.
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Post#655 » by Dewey » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:54 pm

Demand creation is what Flip is after ...

If we stay healthy and perform, I gotta think we might be the wagon to jump on in a year or so ... agents selling their players as a fit for the Wolves so they can feed their families ... Flip hiring Peg-leg-Pek to hold them off ...
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Post#656 » by vagelis » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:48 pm

He is very soft for the power forward position, he cannot jump, he will not be able to play defense in nba and he will not help in rebounds.
He has good skills in offense and can hit threes but that is not power forward position in nba.
I think he is a typical european who has not the physical tools to play in nba
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Post#657 » by minimus » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:49 am

vagelis wrote:He is very soft for the power forward position, he cannot jump, he will not be able to play defense in nba and he will not help in rebounds.
He has good skills in offense and can hit threes but that is not power forward position in nba.
I think he is a typical european who has not the physical tools to play in nba



Tuesday night, after his triple-double helped the Golden State Warriors wrap up the NBA Finals with a 105-97 Game 6 victory at Cleveland, the 25-year-old former Michigan State star was in a reflective mood.

He reportedly left the court yelling toward his mother, "Mom, they told me I can't play in this league."

"I mean, that's what they said," Green explained in the postgame press conference "I won the National Player of the Year Award in college, consensus All-American. I made every, every single First Team All-American that you could possibly make, and I was a second-round pick, and a lot of people said I could never play in this league. Too slow, too small, can't shoot well enough, can't defend nobody. What does he do well? He doesn't have a skill.

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Post#658 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:00 am

vagelis wrote:He is very soft for the power forward position, he cannot jump, he will not be able to play defense in nba and he will not help in rebounds.
He has good skills in offense and can hit threes but that is not power forward position in nba.
I think he is a typical european who has not the physical tools to play in nba


Pretty easy trashing a guy who was MVP of his league from your chair in front of your computer huh?

Sure, we aren't sure how well some aspects of his game will translate...but let's maybe let him play a couple games and give him a chance to prove himself whether he can play in this league or not. Because frankly you really have no idea
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Post#659 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:14 am

vagelis wrote:He is very soft for the power forward position, he cannot jump, he will not be able to play defense in nba and he will not help in rebounds.
He has good skills in offense and can hit threes but that is not power forward position in nba.
I think he is a typical european who has not the physical tools to play in nba


Pretty easy trashing a guy who was MVP of his league from your chair in front of your computer huh?

Sure, we aren't sure how well some aspects of his game will translate...but let's maybe let him play a couple games and give him a chance to prove himself whether he can play in this league or not. Because frankly you really have no idea
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Post#660 » by ibrahim tatliseks » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:57 am

vagelis wrote:he will not help in rebounds


"Bjelica was the season’s second-best rebounder with 8.6 rebounds per game."

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/5ycw47oqktncu4e3/2014-15-bwin-mvp-nemanja-bjelica-fenerbahce-ulker-istanbul

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