Rashodamus wrote:More mindless Taylor hate. I have never had an extended conversation with you but its already clear this is your thing, you are a "omg Taylor!" guy binary guy. You earlier take credit by saying he delegated the "good" hire, then again you blame him for hiring him. Let me guess, you were one of the biggest Thibs fans upon hearing of his hiring, right? He was going to finally be the real coach that Taylor had to delegate to an outside source to be competent enough to get! Heres the truth, Adelmans defense was better with the likes of Pekovic/Love/Martin starting. He had a basically .500 team with less talent than Thibs 31 win team. Due to his stubbornness in 2018 Thibs is a bottom tier coach, our offense was ranked highly because we have 2 elite offensive efficiency players and some solid veterans.
I guess you missed my post this weekend in this thread, let me repost some not mindless reasons for Glen Taylor hate(because he's a horrible owner).
- The franchise has not been successful under Taylor for years(missed the playoffs nearly 1 1/2 decades).
- To change the direction of the franchise he took himself out of the equation of hiring a coach and went to a consultant to let them hire a coach, 2 years later the team underachieves at 47 wins.
- I can say pretty confidently that Wiggins is exactly the opposite type of player Thibs wants. Sure, he's highly talented but Thibs likes defense and he likes effort, BOTH things Wiggins doesn't bring.
- 1st year of Thibs, it's rumored he went right after Butler but Towns, Wiggins and LaVine were all not being allowed to be traded by Taylor so you saw the ridiculous, hey, we'll give you Dunn and Rubio for Butler.
- 2nd year of Thibs, with LaVine's injury and Taylor's desperation to make the playoffs, he allows LaVine to be moved, he even mentions this in an interview that LaVine not being around 1/2 a year was big reason why LaVine was moved.
- It is leaked that Thibodeau was open to moving Wiggins in the Butler trade(no #$@#).
- Instead of getting Butler for Wiggins and Dunn Thibs had to trade LaVine, Dunn and switching 1st rounders with Chicago for Butler, this means Minnesota doesn't get the player Thibs had said he was going to draft, Markkanen.
- Wiggins, who at this point has shown nothing but the ability to score in high volume is now the 3rd option at best with Minnesota while given a max contract by an owner who went public with that offer. Seems like a really, really bad idea, almost like the owner and POBO/Coach don't see eye to eye?
- Butler wasn't brought in to mentor Wiggins, he was brought in to replace Wiggins. Butler at this point was all-nba and in his prime, you don't bring those types of players in to prep your successor, you bring in guys who know they're not in in their prime to do that.
- Gibson is brought in at PF because defense is the biggest need(3pt shooting 2nd biggest need), to accommodate the new max contract Wiggins you now have no real 3pt threats at SG, SF and PF.
- Also year 2, Towns(the best offensive player on the team) has to now be used to help space the offense instead of being used as the main offensive weapon to get the most out of the offense. To Town's credit, even in this role he incredibly efficient to a level he makes the all-nba team even though his defense isn't good.
- Kyrie Irving lists Minnesota as a trade destination and Cleveland asks for... "a young star", Wiggins at 22 the season before this trade request just put up 23 ppg yet no rumors of him being floated out there for Irving.
- It is reported that Butler and Towns went to the FO to tell them to try to acquire Wiggins, yet for some reason that didn't happen, once again, almost like Wiggins was not allowed to be traded by the FO which I absolutely assume was Taylor's decision.
- Kyrie Irving, a proven scorer on the biggest stage(NBA Playoffs), was 25 at the time and has the proven track record/history that Thibs seems to like yet... no real mention of offering Wiggins letting Minnesota have a big 3 of Towns, Butler and Irving for the next 5-6 years.
- Butler is a huge Thibs fan, he is aligned with Butler and Thibs may be Butler's biggest fan yet a trade has been requested citing money. With these as knowns (Butler is good with Thibs, Thibs is good with Butler) at this point it has to be that Butler has been given the indication that ownership will not allow a max contract to be given out and possibly not close to that.
- Thibs comes out and says he's not wanting to trade Butler(which we all expect) then the OWNER says no, if you have something good bring it to me, BLATANTLY making the calls again instead of letting his FO handle the situation.
- Currently all teams now know the owner wants Butler gone and the owner has already shown he will over rule the FO and that's part of the reason for the low ball offers(and the timing).
It's really simple, Glen Taylor in charge has been a disaster for this franchise for a long time, the one good thing he did was go to a 3rd party to hire his coach, the bad part, he took himself out of hiring a coach which lead to the franchise winning, the bad part, he can't stop pushing his ideas on the coach/POBO and with that pulling the organization in multiple directions. Right now, Taylor's input has Minnesota locked in with Wiggins' on a max contract instead of having Markkanen or K.Irving.. both WITH BUTLER moving forward and possibly being a title contender as soon as of this year. Ownership matters and yes I understand, Taylor is keeping the Timberwolves in Minnesota, that's good for you guys but I don't think you'll ever win anything with him in charge. Your only chance honestly is for a player to dictate to ownership what happens, much like what LeBron did with Cleveland, let it be known you might leave and make it legal by only signing short contracts to make his threats possible.
There's of course more but this should be enough. It's simple, nobody is trying to torpedo the team and if you believe that you have to look at why people are doing what they're doing. Glen Taylor just seems to be really bad at evaluating players and with that, has strong opinions which hurt the franchise.
