The Naz Reid Thread

[moss_is_1]

I heard Doogie say this last week, but I think he’s overshooting

“On Naz, on Julius. I still think Naz is here. They know they need to pay him north of $30 million a year. I see Naz re-signing with the Wolves — exercising the player option, so opting out, hitting the open market, then the Wolves re-sign Naz Reid.”

He added Brooklyn is interested and would pay that much with their cap space, so we’d have to pay this much to outbid.

I just can’t see a number this high.

Yuck. Naz isn't getting that much, if he does then it'd be pretty easy for me to let him walk. I question if Julius will even hit that number.

[TimberKat]

I still don't understand the fascination with Naz. He is at best a Ryan Anderson. Sure it's a feel good story for an undrafted player. He sucked in the post season and is worse defenser than Towns. He is at best a part time starting player. Definitely not the second scorer to take pressure off Ant.

[Norseman79]

Naz with a mindset to rebound and defend is a plus, Naz as flailing chucker who whines and checks out is not. Sign and trade with the Spurs or an Eastern conference for a 3 team to get Jabari Smith Jr.

[BlacJacMac]

I heard Doogie say this last week, but I think he’s overshooting

“On Naz, on Julius. I still think Naz is here. They know they need to pay him north of $30 million a year. I see Naz re-signing with the Wolves — exercising the player option, so opting out, hitting the open market, then the Wolves re-sign Naz Reid.”

He added Brooklyn is interested and would pay that much with their cap space, so we’d have to pay this much to outbid.

I just can’t see a number this high.

Of course Naz's agent is going to say the only team with cap space is interested.

[minimus]

Naz with a mindset to rebound and defend is a plus, Naz as flailing chucker who whines and checks out is not

Agree.

As much as I love Naz, this year he was constantly whining rather than learning from mistakes. He got exposed as a weak-side defender and rebounder, though he was okay when playing in high-wall coverages.

My main concern with him is the sheer number of turnovers and the unnecessary, almost silly fouls he commits on a nightly basis:
- reaching fouls
- biting on every pump fake
- offensive fouls

It almost feels like he’s absorbed the worst habits from Towns and Edwards when it comes to discipline. He was in foul trouble in many playoff games this year, which really hurt the team. Also, he doesn’t set solid screens — he’s always trying to slip or pop, which limits the overall offensive flow.

But. I still believe he can improve. He has the talent, and if he tightens up his discipline and decision-making, he could take a meaningful next step.

[Norseman79]

Naz with a mindset to rebound and defend is a plus, Naz as flailing chucker who whines and checks out is not

Agree.

As much as I love Naz, this year he was constantly whining rather than learning from mistakes. He got exposed as a weak-side defender and rebounder, though he was okay when playing in high-wall coverages.

My main concern with him is the sheer number of turnovers and the unnecessary, almost silly fouls he commits on a nightly basis:
- reaching fouls
- biting on every pump fake
- offensive fouls

It almost feels like he’s absorbed the worst habits from Towns and Edwards when it comes to discipline. He was in foul trouble in many playoff games this year, which really hurt the team. Also, he doesn’t set solid screens — he’s always trying to slip or pop, which limits the overall offensive flow.

But. I still believe he can improve. He has the talent, and if he tightens up his discipline and decision-making, he could take a meaningful next step.

The problem is for the contract he's going to want, he should have already taken the next meeting. And that should have happened in the playoffs but it didn't. I don't want to pay him starting money to be a backup power forward. I would happily keep him, if the price is right which I highly doubt.

[BlacJacMac]

Naz with a mindset to rebound and defend is a plus, Naz as flailing chucker who whines and checks out is not

Agree.

As much as I love Naz, this year he was constantly whining rather than learning from mistakes. He got exposed as a weak-side defender and rebounder, though he was okay when playing in high-wall coverages.

My main concern with him is the sheer number of turnovers and the unnecessary, almost silly fouls he commits on a nightly basis:
- reaching fouls
- biting on every pump fake
- offensive fouls

It almost feels like he’s absorbed the worst habits from Towns and Edwards when it comes to discipline. He was in foul trouble in many playoff games this year, which really hurt the team. Also, he doesn’t set solid screens — he’s always trying to slip or pop, which limits the overall offensive flow.

But. I still believe he can improve. He has the talent, and if he tightens up his discipline and decision-making, he could take a meaningful next step.

That's the biggest concern for me. I mentioned it before, but this was the first year he didn't come back better. Did not add anything to his game.

I wonder if he's pretty much hit his ceiling. I believe he can get incrementally better with maturity and experience, but I don't see him really adding anything.

[moss_is_1]

That's the biggest concern for me. I mentioned it before, but this was the first year he didn't come back better. Did not add anything to his game.

I wonder if he's pretty much hit his ceiling. I believe he can get incrementally better with maturity and experience, but I don't see him really adding anything.

I think he showed a little more play-making. Jumped from 1.3 assists to 2.3 so a small improvement(his ast% was a career high and up about 4% as well), and his USG was slightly down. Interestingly bballreference shows he was more impactful in advanced states this season. VORP, WS, WS/48, BPM were all highed(DBPM was slightly lower). I wondered if him being asked to play so much center again affected him. I'm sure coming into the season he expected to play a lot of PF again with KAT, he played 79% of his minutes there the year prior. This season he was 43% vs 57% at center.

[Klomp]

Stretch 4's can be so valuable in today's NBA but I agree, his rebounding and defensive deficiencies are impossible to ignore.

True, and it makes me wonder if you keep Naz, can you afford to move Gobert?

Rudy improves any player’s defensive numbers, but over the last few years, I heard that Naz has really learned to play with Gobert. Rudy also averaged 10.9 RPG in 33.2 mpg (7th in the NBA), while Naz averaged only 6.0 RPG in 27.5 mpg.

Good question. You already do this but when a person understands that Gobert and Reid are not interchangeable players on the court, it makes it easier to address their true value.

The crazy thing to me is that if someone told me that Gobert, Naz and Randle will all be on different teams next season, it wouldn't even surprise me at this point. Much to do for Mr. Connelly.

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Of course they're not interchangeable players. If you swapped one out for the other, you probably would have to play differently.

That might be the point though. This team might have to play differently in its next iteration. I think that's why we've brought in so many younger, quicker players who can shift the team's style of play from one season to the next.

[the_l_train]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

[BlacJacMac]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

More SF/PF than PF/C

[Klomp]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

One thing I will say: the Detroit rumor concerns me. Similar to the San Antonio rumor we saw last year, these are the types of young teams that I could see being an attractive option for Reid.

I personally view him more as a PF than C. But really, it comes down to pairings. Next to Duren, I think Reid makes sense.

[Mattya]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

He is a stretch 4 and small ball 5.

[minimus]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

In defense or offense? In offense he is more a big wing. In defense he is a decent post defender, but a bad defender in space and cant be trusted to be anchor of defense.

[younggunsmn]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

Offensively he is much better as a stretch 5 where he can cook bigger players.
As you saw with OKC, when you guard him with smaller quicker guys he quickly becomes a turnover machine.

Defensively, he is not good at either position.
Which one he is more of a liability at will depend on your matchups.
He has poor reaction speed and takes bad angles and misses rotations.
He can't defend isolated in space or in drop and fouls a good deal more than average.

[younggunsmn]

I heard Doogie say this last week, but I think he’s overshooting

“On Naz, on Julius. I still think Naz is here. They know they need to pay him north of $30 million a year. I see Naz re-signing with the Wolves — exercising the player option, so opting out, hitting the open market, then the Wolves re-sign Naz Reid.”

He added Brooklyn is interested and would pay that much with their cap space, so we’d have to pay this much to outbid.

I just can’t see a number this high.

Of course Naz's agent is going to say the only team with cap space is interested.

If any team is even remotely considering paying him 30 mil plus per year they need to have their heads examined.
I think 20 mil AAV would be overpaying but all it takes is one team to be idiots.

I'm starting to think bye bye Naz and bye bye NAW.

Spurs and Pistons are both dumping one medium sized contract away from being able to pay him a contract starting at 20 mil.
And there are 16 teams with the full MLE to offer NAW.

[shrink]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

1. We’ve heard Naz-to-DET rumors locally too. At this time of year, they could be spread by Naz’ agent. He said he wants to stay.

2. What do you think is an overpay? I think he could fit next to Duren - his numbers with Gobert aren’t bad.

3. He is no center. He came into the league at 270, so he could only play center, but he is worked hard on his body, and he’s more like 235 now. He’s a big wing - a valuable commodity, but only if you have a center behind him, which you would.

[the_l_train]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

1. We’ve heard Naz-to-DET rumors locally too. At this time of year, they could be spread by Naz’ agent. He said he wants to stay.

2. What do you think is an overpay? I think he could fit next to Duren - his numbers with Gobert aren’t bad.

3. He is no center. He came into the league at 270, so he could only play center, but he is worked hard on his body, and he’s more like 235 now. He’s a big wing - a valuable commodity, but only if you have a center behind him, which you would.

Everything I am seeing is saying he will need 25+, which scares the hell out of me. We would need to make other moves in order to make that happen.

Duren is a weak defender, and I want a stretch 4 who is at least a decent defender next to him. Naz doesn't seem to be that guy, but with Cade/iveys gravity on offense, it is somewhat appealing to think of having Naz getting more open looks at 3. I'm sure Ant also got him a lot of open looks though.

Trying to weigh out the risks, but from everything I've seen it appears that overpaying this guy is not the move.

[Slim Tubby]

True, and it makes me wonder if you keep Naz, can you afford to move Gobert?

Rudy improves any player’s defensive numbers, but over the last few years, I heard that Naz has really learned to play with Gobert. Rudy also averaged 10.9 RPG in 33.2 mpg (7th in the NBA), while Naz averaged only 6.0 RPG in 27.5 mpg.

Good question. You already do this but when a person understands that Gobert and Reid are not interchangeable players on the court, it makes it easier to address their true value.

The crazy thing to me is that if someone told me that Gobert, Naz and Randle will all be on different teams next season, it wouldn't even surprise me at this point. Much to do for Mr. Connelly.

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Of course they're not interchangeable players. If you swapped one out for the other, you probably would have to play differently.

That might be the point though. This team might have to play differently in its next iteration. I think that's why we've brought in so many younger, quicker players who can shift the team's style of play from one season to the next.

Just to be clear because it was poorly worded on my part, I recognized that you clearly do NOT view Naz and Rudy as interchangeable. I think some folks still believe that Reid is an option at C but that clearly is not the case.

And I agree...moving Rudy would most certainly require a change in our style of play on both ends of the court. Reid? Not so much.

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[Slim Tubby]

Pistons fan, I come in peace…just trying to settle an argument on our board. Rumors of Detroit being interested in him have the board pretty split.

I’m of the thought that Naz is not worth the overpay. Others think he is the ideal fit at PF next to Duren.

Do you guys consider him more of a center or power forward if he had to stick to one position? I was thinking he was too slow to guard power forwards, so had him as a stretch 5 in my mind.

1. We’ve heard Naz-to-DET rumors locally too. At this time of year, they could be spread by Naz’ agent. He said he wants to stay.

2. What do you think is an overpay? I think he could fit next to Duren - his numbers with Gobert aren’t bad.

3. He is no center. He came into the league at 270, so he could only play center, but he is worked hard on his body, and he’s more like 235 now. He’s a big wing - a valuable commodity, but only if you have a center behind him, which you would.

Everything I am seeing is saying he will need 25+, which scares the hell out of me. We would need to make other moves in order to make that happen.

Duren is a weak defender, and I want a stretch 4 who is at least a decent defender next to him. Naz doesn't seem to be that guy, but with Cade/iveys gravity on offense, it is somewhat appealing to think of having Naz getting more open looks at 3. I'm sure Ant also got him a lot of open looks though.

Trying to weigh out the risks, but from everything I've seen it appears that overpaying this guy is not the move.

This is the way you go to another team's board and have a great conversation. Welcome, sir!

And yes...I think the best way to describe Naz is as a 4/3 and anything more than $17-18M per year for him is too much.

We love Naz here in MIN so I'm surprised how many fans agree that his value was slightly diminished this season.

Could we interest you in a slightly used Gobert and seldom used Miller for Duren and Ivey?

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