Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

[Klomp]

Not sexy at all. But would you trade Randle for:
Ball, Smith, some kind of draft pick?

It comes down to the Ball injury recovery. I'm on the fence.

I do think it's interesting that both fan bases seem equally disinterested in the idea. Sometimes those are exactly the ideas that actually come to fruition.

[BlacJacMac]

Not sexy at all. But would you trade Randle for:
Ball, Smith, some kind of draft pick?

Absolutely. I've been pushing for that one.

Smith is a tremendous rebounder and can shoot the 3 ball. He'd absolutely be able to play next to Rudy or Naz. And he's only 24 years old.

Ball, if healthy, is the perfect PG for this team. Fortunately we'd have the rest of the year to evaluate him before having to make a decision.

[shangrila]

I know people are down on Randle, but I think he has trade value. He’s averaging 20-7-4, and he’s been an All NBA PF twice in the last four years. His $33 mil contract is not excessive in today’s NBA, plus there is a decent chance he could b an expiring. This is the type of mercenary talent that teams go after for a playoff run.

At this point, he's a salary dump and second round picks... some value.

God I hate this fanbase sometimes.

[Klomp]

I feel gross asking this, but would there be an on-court benefit to trading Randle for Miles Bridges?

[younggunsmn]

I feel gross asking this, but would there be an on-court benefit to trading Randle for Miles Bridges?

There would be an on-court benefit to trading Randle for Todd Bridges.

[Guest84]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see how it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

[BlacJacMac]

I feel gross asking this, but would there be an on-court benefit to trading Randle for Miles Bridges?

Not enough to have him on my team.

He's talented, but he has a lot of the same on-court problems as Randle. He doesn't play defense and he shoots way too many 3s for a poor shooter (6.5 in 30 minutes, despite shooting 30%).

Plus I just couldn't bring myself to root for him.

[Klomp]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see about it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

Trade didn't show up...

[shrink]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see about it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

I haven’t figured out a way to get the checker to save trades, so you’ll need to write it out.

[BlacJacMac]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see about it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

That just links to Minnesota and Washington, but doesn't have any players involved.

[Klomp]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see about it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

I haven’t figured out a way to get the checker to save trades, so you’ll need to write it out.

You can save a "snapshot" which saves an image to your computer (or phone as well, I presume), but then you need an image-hosting site to upload it to before posting the image here.

[younggunsmn]

There is not another team in the league dumb enough to take Julius Randle.
I don't think anyone would take him if he made the vet minimum. Honestly.

We were the one sucker willing to do it and we actually gave up a top 20 player for him.

I also don't think there is a single other team who would take on the contracts of Rudy Gobert or Jaden McDaniels.
Not without sending something worse back.

So yeah we are now the team stuck with 90 million dollars tied up in bad contracts.
And we control one of our own first round picks outright from now until 2032.

It's not just that these guys are horrible fits together, we took an enormous talent downgrade when we traded KAT, and it's going to be an almost impossible task to try to build back up to that level.

It might take 10 years to recover from the devastation Tornado Tim Connelly has wrought.
Any random 12 year old would have done much less damage.
I don't have the time, energy, or patience as a fan to go through this BS again with this franchise.

As soon as the Vikings are done my live tv is going buh bye until next september.

[Klomp]

There is not another team in the league dumb enough to take Julius Randle.
I don't think anyone would take him if he made the vet minimum. Honestly.

That's just not rational, sorry.

[Guest84]

I was just playing around with the Spotrac site and found that this worked...

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/was/team2/min

I was just curious to see about it worked with the apron and stuff...feel free to review/modify/etc

Trade didn't show up...

Thanks for letting me know. It was:

Randle (PF)/2025, Round 2: UTA pick - #31 — #60

for

Kyle Kuzma (PF)/Bub Carrington (pg)

According to the tracker it was successful

[younggunsmn]

There is not another team in the league dumb enough to take Julius Randle.
I don't think anyone would take him if he made the vet minimum. Honestly.

That's just not rational, sorry.

The guy is more toxic and much less talented than Russell Westbrook and Westbrook has burned through 6 teams in 6 years and only the incredibly desperate clippers and nuggets were willing to take him for the vet minimum.
And Westbrook can actually still play a little defense.

It's not near the stretch you think it is.

And with the reality that he has a 30 million dollar player option for next year, no team in their right mind will give us anything but their bad contracts for him.

[Klomp]

There is not another team in the league dumb enough to take Julius Randle.
I don't think anyone would take him if he made the vet minimum. Honestly.

That's just not rational, sorry.

The guy is more toxic and much less talented than Russell Westbrook and Westbrook has burned through 6 teams in 6 years and only the incredibly desperate clippers and nuggets were willing to take him for the vet minimum.
And Westbrook can actually still play a little defense.

It's not near the stretch you think it is.

And with the reality that he has a 30 million dollar player option for next year, no team in their right mind will give us anything but their bad contracts for him.

Randle isn't 36 like Westbrook. He is 30. Six years matters a ton.

Six years ago, Westbrook was still in Oklahoma City. Yes, it was his last year there and was about to start a stretch of six teams in seven years. But the key word is start. He was not immediately a toxic, bad contract. I think we are still early enough that value can be extracted, even if he is trending downward as a player.

[BlacJacMac]

I wouldn't be surprised if Donte's struggles actually help us trade Randle.

With as many players as we have underachieving, I could see other franchises think we aren't using our players right.

And there are plenty of bad GMs out there that will still see a 2x All-NBA player averaging 20 PPG (47/36/82), 7 RPG and 4 APG and think he can help them.

[younggunsmn]

I wouldn't be surprised if Donte's struggles actually help us trade Randle.

With as many players as we have underachieving, I could see other franchises think we aren't using our players right.

And there are plenty of bad GMs out there that will still see a 2x All-NBA player averaging 20 PPG (47/36/82), 7 RPG and 4 APG and think he can help them.

I mean best case some middling team like Sacramento gets desperate to keep DeAaron Fox around and rolls the dice on him.
But it would be an incredibly stupid move.

I had hopes for Atlanta and maybe Chicago but at least with Atlanta it looks like the coaching staff is starting to figure out making some of the pieces they have fit better right now.

[younggunsmn]

Here's a wild one for sake of at least entertaining the possibility of moving Randle:
I know MIA said they aren't trading Butler, but...

MIN IN: Huerter, Trey Lyles, Haywood Highsmith, Nikola Jovic, multiple draft picks from Sac and MIA
MIN OUT: Randle, Leonard Miller, (structured as separate trades)
Cut: PJ Dozier, Joe Ingles

MIA IN: Demar Derozan, Julius Randle,
MIA OUT: Jimmy Butler, Haywood Highsmith, Nikola Jovic, 2nd round picks

SAC IN: Jimmy Butler, Leonard Miller,
SAC OUT: Derozan, Lyles, Huerter

The core is Butler>Randle+Derozan>Draft Picks with the rest necessary salary filler and roster spot allocation.

Lyles is expiring, Huerter is under contract for 18 mil next year, Highsmith 5.5, and Jovic 4.4 next year.
Should get a 1st for eating those contracts as they are necessary to salary match, probably coming from Sacramento.
Jovic is a 21 year old 6'10 stretch 4 and Highsmith is a rotation quality 3+D wing we could possibly dump into someone's trade exception. Someone might even take Lyles.
And Huerter is a mid range salary matching piece if we want to swing another trade.

How many draft picks would you want attached to make this trade given the salary we are taking on for next year vs gambling on Randle's player option? Insert Naz into the starting lineup and have Jovic and Lyles as stretch 4 backup options.
Use the stretch provision next year on Huerter if necessary if we want to bring back NAW or Naz.

[BlacJacMac]

Here's a wild one for sake of at least entertaining the possibility of moving Randle:
I know MIA said they aren't trading Butler, but...

MIN IN: Huerter, Trey Lyles, Haywood Highsmith, Nikola Jovic, multiple draft picks from Sac and MIA
MIN OUT: Randle, Leonard Miller, (structured as separate trades)
Cut: PJ Dozier, Joe Ingles

MIA IN: Demar Derozan, Julius Randle,
MIA OUT: Jimmy Butler, Haywood Highsmith, Nikola Jovic, 2nd round picks

SAC IN: Jimmy Butler, Leonard Miller,
SAC OUT: Derozan, Lyles, Huerter

The core is Butler>Randle+Derozan>Draft Picks with the rest necessary salary filler and roster spot allocation.

Lyles is expiring, Huerter is under contract for 18 mil next year, Highsmith 5.5, and Jovic 4.4 next year.
Should get a 1st for eating those contracts as they are necessary to salary match, probably coming from Sacramento.
Jovic is a 21 year old 6'10 stretch 4 and Highsmith is a rotation quality 3+D wing we could possibly dump into someone's trade exception. Someone might even take Lyles.
And Huerter is a mid range salary matching piece if we want to swing another trade.

How many draft picks would you want attached to make this trade given the salary we are taking on for next year vs gambling on Randle's player option? Insert Naz into the starting lineup and have Jovic and Lyles as stretch 4 backup options.
Use the stretch provision next year on Huerter if necessary if we want to bring back NAW or Naz.

I would guess all the picks come from SAC. They're the only ones really upgrading.

I can't see Miami considering it.