Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Mattya]

Just curious.

What would you suggest Thib doing when Jimmy told Thib what Jimmy thinking four days after eliminated?

I f I were Thib,all I could have done was telling Jimmy this team will get better during offseason ,and tried to convince Jimmy to wait and see.

It's not until Taylor choosed a side and KAT leaked "either me or Butler",Jimmy made it public?

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Or Jimmy is lying. Considering Taj had no idea, and every report outside of Jimmy leaking this has been saying the trade request was right before training camp.

[twix2500]

Record wise, what would the team record have to be where you will say ok let's take the best offer available? What would the record have to be to conitue to tryto find exactly what you want? And what does the record have to be for you say lets just ride it out to the end?

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[KGdaBom]

Record wise, what would the team record have to be where you will say ok let's take the best offer available? What would the record have to be to conitue to tryto find exactly what you want? And what does the record have to be for you say lets just ride it out to the end?

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I'm looking for 82-0 and sweeping the playoffs.

[TheDominator273]

Record wise, what would the team record have to be where you will say ok let's take the best offer available? What would the record have to be to conitue to tryto find exactly what you want? And what does the record have to be for you say lets just ride it out to the end?

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I really don't think record plays into it too much to be honest. I'm of the opinion we keep Butler until we get an offer we like or let him walk which frees up some financial flexibility and could turn into clear cap space if Teague opts out after the season.

[shrink]

Record wise, what would the team record have to be where you will say ok let's take the best offer available? What would the record have to be to conitue to tryto find exactly what you want? And what does the record have to be for you say lets just ride it out to the end?

The bad thing for MIA is Thibs wants to keep his job. If the record goes south, it becomes more necessary for Thibs to win the Butler trade.

If MIA’s most recent “final offer” includes dumping Waiters on them, the total value of the package costs Thibs his job. There is no reason to take it now, rather than wait until the deadline, to get a rental price from a team that wants to do well in the playoffs. Perhaps better than rental, because Butler’s Bird rights, and the chance to get a fifth year, seems very important to him.

[wco81]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

[FargoWolf]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

I get it, Glen Taylor owns the team and is clueless.

[big3_8_19_21]

I think Butler’s unreasonable desire to have his contract renegotiated and extended this summer is still partly because he has a hangover from 2015 free agency. He was basically forced into signing a long term deal the summer before he knew the salary cap was about to explode because the Bulls extended both the qualifying offer and the maximum qualifying offer. Extending the maximum qualifying offer meant that no team could sign him to an offer sheet shorter than 3 years and there could be no options (player or team) on any of those years. At the time there was talk that he wanted to sign a 1 year offer sheet with the Lakers, but then the Bulls extended the max QO, so he had to sign a long term deal. First time in NBA history that had ever been done, I think. His other option was to lose a ton of money and risk injury for another year by taking the $4.4 million QO to become unrestricted in 2016.

We’ve just finished year 3 of his deal that has a player option after 4 and right or wrong I think he viewed the renegotiation and extension as the Wolves making good on the money that the Bulls screwed him out of by keeping him out of free agency and cap spike.

That being said the Wolves would have had to fit their roster and not been able to field a competitive team around him to get the requisite $10 million below the cap to give him a $10 million raise.

[Worm Guts]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

They offered Jimmy a max extension.

[big3_8_19_21]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

I get it, Glen Taylor owns the team and is clueless.

For the millionth time, the Wolves offered the max allowable extension this summer, which Jimmy turned down because he stands to make a lot more by waiting until next summer to sign a 5 year $190 million max with whatever team has his bird rights.

The one way we would could have paid Jimmy more this summer is with a renegotiation. In order to do a renegotiation and extension like that, we would have to clear that amount of money under the cap. We can’t renegotiate and extend over the cap. So in order to give Jimmy the $10 million raise he wanted, we would have had to get $10 million under the cap. This would have meant gutting the rest of the roster to the point of being non-competitive.

No one ever said the Wolves weren’t going to pay him. They just didn’t want to burn down the roster to do it one year earlier.

If you’re not going to bother reading even a single article about the topic, save your opinion.

[PharmD]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

The plan obviously was to extend Butler. We did offer him a 'max' extension this offseason, it was just smaller than the max he could get next offseason and he turned it down.

[AirP.]

That being said the Wolves would have had to fit their roster and not been able to field a competitive team around him to get the requisite $10 million below the cap to give him a $10 million raise.

Although I don't think they should have renegotiated with him this season, without Butler Minnesota isn't fielding a competitive team, for some reason Towns and Wiggins have no "fight" in them, talent yes, desire to win no. I would guess this Butler situation has way more to do about their "fight" since those 2 names keep coming up with Butler.

If Towns and Wiggins had Butler's or Okogie's effort level(or something close)... this team would be special.

[FargoWolf]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

I get it, Glen Taylor owns the team and is clueless.

For the millionth time, the Wolves offered the max allowable extension this summer, which Jimmy turned down because he stands to make a lot more by waiting until next summer to sign a 5 year $190 million max with whatever team has his bird rights.

The one way we would could have paid Jimmy more this summer is with a renegotiation. In order to do a renegotiation and extension like that, we would have to clear that amount of money under the cap. We can’t renegotiate and extend over the cap. So in order to give Jimmy the $10 million raise he wanted, we would have had to get $10 million under the cap. This would have meant gutting the rest of the roster to the point of being non-competitive.

No one ever said the Wolves weren’t going to pay him. They just didn’t want to burn down the roster to do it one year earlier.

If you’re not going to bother reading even a single article about the topic, save your opinion.

I blame Taylor for Wiggins, that contract is where it all starts and it is going to cripple the franchise for a while.

[Dewey]

I get it, Glen Taylor owns the team and is clueless.

For the millionth time, the Wolves offered the max allowable extension this summer, which Jimmy turned down because he stands to make a lot more by waiting until next summer to sign a 5 year $190 million max with whatever team has his bird rights.

The one way we would could have paid Jimmy more this summer is with a renegotiation. In order to do a renegotiation and extension like that, we would have to clear that amount of money under the cap. We can’t renegotiate and extend over the cap. So in order to give Jimmy the $10 million raise he wanted, we would have had to get $10 million under the cap. This would have meant gutting the rest of the roster to the point of being non-competitive.

No one ever said the Wolves weren’t going to pay him. They just didn’t want to burn down the roster to do it one year earlier.

If you’re not going to bother reading even a single article about the topic, save your opinion.

I blame Taylor for Wiggins, that contract is where it all starts and it is going to cripple the franchise for a while.

Just cant resist pointing a finger at someone to blame for something?

[FargoWolf]

For the millionth time, the Wolves offered the max allowable extension this summer, which Jimmy turned down because he stands to make a lot more by waiting until next summer to sign a 5 year $190 million max with whatever team has his bird rights.

The one way we would could have paid Jimmy more this summer is with a renegotiation. In order to do a renegotiation and extension like that, we would have to clear that amount of money under the cap. We can’t renegotiate and extend over the cap. So in order to give Jimmy the $10 million raise he wanted, we would have had to get $10 million under the cap. This would have meant gutting the rest of the roster to the point of being non-competitive.

No one ever said the Wolves weren’t going to pay him. They just didn’t want to burn down the roster to do it one year earlier.

If you’re not going to bother reading even a single article about the topic, save your opinion.

I blame Taylor for Wiggins, that contract is where it all starts and it is going to cripple the franchise for a while.

Just cant resist pointing a finger at someone to blame for something?

Everyone else is pointing fingers, may as well point them at the right person. Nothing changes with this franchise until Glen is gone.

[TheDominator273]

I want to know where the KAT has no desire to win narrative started. Wiggins I get, he shows no emotion ever and appears to be sleepwalking through games but KAT shows plenty of emotion and desire to win on top of being a hard worker according to teammates.

It just confuses me how is a poor defender playing in a scheme that places him in bad position somehow has become he is soft and has no desire to win.

[Klomp]

I want to know where the KAT has no desire to win narrative started. Wiggins I get, he shows no emotion ever and appears to be sleepwalking through games but KAT shows plenty of emotion and desire to win on top of being a hard worker according to teammates.

It just confuses me how is a poor defender playing in a scheme that places him in bad position somehow has become he is soft and has no desire to win.

Poor defense apparently equals no desire to win in the latest NBA fandom book. Have to be the best player in the NBA on both sides of the ball or it must mean you don't care enough.

[LibertyPrime]

Richardson, Wiggins (when he’s not the 3, always plays big minutes) and probably 1st round pick Josh Okogi would all get minutes over Waiters. Heck, Thibs wants to play Derrick Rose at the 2 as well.

I see Waiters sitting on our bench for three years, eating $12 mil a year.

Or worse yet, taking over the "bench chucker who destroys our second unit's cohesion and efficiency" so recently occupied by Shabazz Muhammed and Jamal Crawford.

[Nick K]

Thing I don't get is, why trade away Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen for Butler if they weren't going to extend Butler?

I can understand if the Wolves didn't plan to re-sign Lavine and Dunn. But they gave away a top 10 pick which became Markkanen?

I get it, Glen Taylor owns the team and is clueless.

For the millionth time, the Wolves offered the max allowable extension this summer, which Jimmy turned down because he stands to make a lot more by waiting until next summer to sign a 5 year $190 million max with whatever team has his bird rights.

The one way we would could have paid Jimmy more this summer is with a renegotiation. In order to do a renegotiation and extension like that, we would have to clear that amount of money under the cap. We can’t renegotiate and extend over the cap. So in order to give Jimmy the $10 million raise he wanted, we would have had to get $10 million under the cap. This would have meant gutting the rest of the roster to the point of being non-competitive.

No one ever said the Wolves weren’t going to pay him. They just didn’t want to burn down the roster to do it one year earlier.

If you’re not going to bother reading even a single article about the topic, save your opinion.

Nice job explaining that in a way even I can understand.

[Nick K]

Richardson, Wiggins (when he’s not the 3, always plays big minutes) and probably 1st round pick Josh Okogi would all get minutes over Waiters. Heck, Thibs wants to play Derrick Rose at the 2 as well.

I see Waiters sitting on our bench for three years, eating $12 mil a year.

Or worse yet, taking over the "bench chucker who destroys our second unit's cohesion and efficiency" so recently occupied by Shabazz Muhammed and Jamal Crawford.

Derek Rose replaced those guys and is equally bad if not worse. Roses role cannot be what is was last night. He can't be allowed to go off wildly as he did.