The D'Angelo Russell Thread

[wolves_89]

Now do Dlo’s defensive stats.

DLO 2022-23 advanced defensive metrics:
DEPM: -0.7
DRPM: 1.60
DRAPTOR: -1.8
DBPM: -0.8

Overall, he rates out a bit below average as a defender. With that said, I think we all know DLO isn't on the court for his defense.

Exactly, he’s been a net negative in impact over the course of his career. He can can win some games when he’s on a hot streak, but this team can’t afford to pay a player of that impact more than $15-20 million a season. That is why we should trade him now. Not because he’s a bad player, but because he’s a bad fit on this team for his projected cost. We can better utilize those financial assets going forward.

I'm not sure why you're stating he's a net negative. By pretty much all the advanced stats he's rated out as a clear net positive over his time with Wolves.

[Klomp]

The best format for a deal for MIN would be a two year deal, where the second year is unguaranteed. DLo probably wants longterm money, but sometimes players take deals like this if it’s an overpay for Season 1. I doubt he’d take a deal like that starting at $24.

Finally, I don’t think it’s guaranteed we want to keep DLo. We’re fans, so we focus on the first half of last game (8-for-8) and ignore the second half (0-for-6). He’s been a good shooter since December, but October and November happened too, and we can look at previous years as well. Few players are a better example of the wildly inconsistent gap between Good DLo and Bad DLo, so we need to look at him for his body of work to project his future production, not just his highlight games and months. Plenty of players work harder in a contract year.

No, we don't ignore the second half. It's called the law of averages. I don't think it's fair to criticize him because he didn't finish the game shooting 14/14.

[Danimals]

DLO 2022-23 advanced defensive metrics:
DEPM: -0.7
DRPM: 1.60
DRAPTOR: -1.8
DBPM: -0.8

Overall, he rates out a bit below average as a defender. With that said, I think we all know DLO isn't on the court for his defense.

Exactly, he’s been a net negative in impact over the course of his career. He can can win some games when he’s on a hot streak, but this team can’t afford to pay a player of that impact more than $15-20 million a season. That is why we should trade him now. Not because he’s a bad player, but because he’s a bad fit on this team for his projected cost. We can better utilize those financial assets going forward.

I'm not sure why you're stating he's a net negative. By pretty much all the advanced stats he's rated out as a clear net positive over his time with Wolves.

Cleaning the glass has him as -2.5 on/off. And somewhere else that I had him down at -5.8 per 100 possessions, but I can’t find the link at the moment.

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The best format for a deal for MIN would be a two year deal, where the second year is unguaranteed. DLo probably wants longterm money, but sometimes players take deals like this if it’s an overpay for Season 1. I doubt he’d take a deal like that starting at $24.

Finally, I don’t think it’s guaranteed we want to keep DLo. We’re fans, so we focus on the first half of last game (8-for-8) and ignore the second half (0-for-6). He’s been a good shooter since December, but October and November happened too, and we can look at previous years as well. Few players are a better example of the wildly inconsistent gap between Good DLo and Bad DLo, so we need to look at him for his body of work to project his future production, not just his highlight games and months. Plenty of players work harder in a contract year.

No, we don't ignore the second half. It's called the law of averages. I don't think it's fair to criticize him because he didn't finish the game shooting 14/14.

And I didn’t criticize him because he didn’t finish the game 0/14 either.

But you definitely see fans conveniently forget the “bad DLo” half in SAC, with the bad shooting, technical foul, dribbling off his foot, etc.

[shrink]

In case anyone missed the Jake Fisher piece from a couple weeks ago

https://sports.yahoo.com/d-angelo-russell-no-stranger-to-trades-once-again-finds-himself-in-fluid-situation-152700585.html

[younggunsmn]

(And if anyone is confused about Myles Turner’s new contract, the Pacers were far enough under the cap to renegotiate his current deal. They wisely gave Turner all extra cap space up to the salary floor (which they’d have paid anyway), and that got him to start his extension on a lower figure. It was what Jimmy wanted us to do - get under the cap so we could negotiate his current contract).

They gave him an extra ~18 million this year to bring him up to the maximum salary, then 42 million spread over the next 2 years.
They had even more room than that under the cap.
The curious thing about that extension is that in 2 years when it is time to extend him again, they will be limited in what they can offer because it will be based off of a (22?) million $ salary, they won't be able to max him (on an extension) unless they are again well under the cap. The exact situation we were in with Jimmy Butler.
It saves them ~9 mil/year in capspace the next 2 years, but that could come back to bite them.
I could be wrong on this, but that's how I read the deal.

Also, any deal for D-Lo that starts with a 3 is a non-starter for me. He wants conley money, I could learn to live with if he keeps up the imporved play.
A lot could change the rest of the year.
I have a feeling if the season doesn't end on positive footing one of KAT/Rudy will be traded this summer and that changes the long term tax outlook.

Watching how well the team defended in overtime after he fouled out tonight makes me question if having an offense first PG is the right way to go when KAT comes back. But then he did shoot us back into the game after we shot our way out of it in the 3rd quarter.

[Colbinii]

(And if anyone is confused about Myles Turner’s new contract, the Pacers were far enough under the cap to renegotiate his current deal. They wisely gave Turner all extra cap space up to the salary floor (which they’d have paid anyway), and that got him to start his extension on a lower figure. It was what Jimmy wanted us to do - get under the cap so we could negotiate his current contract).

They gave him an extra ~18 million this year to bring him up to the maximum salary, then 42 million spread over the next 2 years.
They had even more room than that under the cap.
The curious thing about that extension is that in 2 years when it is time to extend him again, they will be limited in what they can offer because it will be based off of a (22?) million $ salary, they won't be able to max him (on an extension) unless they are again well under the cap. The exact situation we were in with Jimmy Butler.
It saves them ~9 mil/year in capspace the next 2 years, but that could come back to bite them.
I could be wrong on this, but that's how I read the deal.

You aren't wrong, but you are missing a large component. The current extension rules are horrible. The fact teams are limited in how much they can extend players for [The dollar amount, as you mentioned, is capped at a % of their current salary] means far more players are hitting Free Agency as UFA. This rule hurts players [Who could extend earlier and secure the bag] and hurts teams [their better players--not best--are hitting Free Agency as UFA].

So, while the rule currently implemented sucks, there will be new CBA negotations this year and I fully expect this rule to change.

Also, any deal for D-Lo that starts with a 3 is a non-starter for me. He wants conley money, I could learn to live with if he keeps up the imporved play.

I agree, but Conley signed his contract at an older age. Remember his monster contract [his 3rd one], which is the same one Dlo is coming up on, was a 30% Max Contract. That is what D'Angelo Russell is looking for and Connely isn't going to offer that. Russell is a $18-$25 Million AAV player.

I would be unhappy if he were resigned for anything more than $25 AAV.

A lot could change the rest of the year.
I have a feeling if the season doesn't end on positive footing one of KAT/Rudy will be traded this summer and that changes the long term tax outlook.

I have been saying it, Towns for Lillard.

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I was pleased to see how happy DLo was for his teammates in the fourth quarter, after he fouled out.

I also noticed on a re-watch that Steph Curry did an intentional bump into DLo during a time out after Russell had made all those points in a row in the fourth.

[Guest84]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/.amp/timberwolves/anthony-edwards-dangelo-russell-are-victims-of-national-media-disrespect

[minimus]

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I have no idea how DLo made this pass

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