The Rob Dillingham Thread

[Note30]

Why is it all or nothing?! Why is it determined that after this year the roster will turn to trash?

Point guard leaving is big deal. Gobert another year older.

But most of all, because we don't have the assets to improve. Barring some insane growth from our rookies or current youngsters we're about as good as we're gonna get.

I don't think a coaching change would affect us positively, and trading Karl to break him down into younger pieces will not work out well.

At this point we're capped.

I disagree - I don't think we need "insane" growth at all, but more the natural level of growth most NBA players achieve throughout a career. We have a solid bunch of players who, in my opinion, are trending upwards in regards to progression.

I mean if Dillingham becomes as good as Mike (somewhere between now and prime Conley), that's a pretty good goal. If he becomes better great, but hoping for more than that is veering into idealism. Very few players in each draft are going to be better than that.

Unless that happens and one of TSJ or McDaniels takes a massive leap that would replace Joe Ingles/ KA and be higher plus than our role players this past year, that means hoping for them to become a level above. TSJ 6th man level, McDaniels - All Star.

That's a little insane imo to hope that:
Rob becomes better than Conley now and is closer to prime Mike
TSJ becomes 6th man good
McDaniels becomes an All Star

Because honestly that might be what we need to win a chip.

[thinktank]

I really hate that this conversation was started because someone thought Tyus might have landed here when that was impossible.

What’s the point of this conversation again?

We shouldn’t have traded for Dilly because the 2030 pick would’ve helped us win this year, our best chance at a chip?

Dilly helps us this year more than that 2030 pick and more than… the impossible to get Tyus Jones.

Keep your eye on the ball people.

This thread really sucks how much it wanders away from Dilly.

Unfair to him.

[Colbinii]

Plus Ant is 23.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

You say that but it happens. Wade/Kobe both won at 24 and then didnt win again until LeBron/Gasol joined.

Durant went to the Finals at 23 and didn't go back until he was with a different franchise.

[thinktank]

Plus Ant is 23.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

You say that but it happens. Wade/Kobe both won at 24 and then didnt win again until LeBron/Gasol joined.

Durant went to the Finals at 23 and didn't go back until he was with a different franchise.

Ok so Wade and Kobe support my argument.

Would the 2030 pick help us this year? No.

What are we even talking about?

Moot points. Straw men. Get it together, folks. Tyus was never coming here and 2030 pick doesn’t help us this year.

Connelly HELPED OUR ODDS THIS YEAR by acquiring Dilly. ESPECIALLY because Tyus was an impossibility.

Again, keep your eye on the ball, people.

[frankenwolf]

Is this a great shot for the Timberwolves to win a championship this year? Yes. Would Tyus guaranteed it? Nope. So, in addition to looking short term, we also need to look long term. Tyus wasn't coming here, period. The Wolves drafted someone they could afford, who will get substantial backup minutes and won't complain about his roll, because he is being mentored and he knows he's the probable future PG1 of a playoff team. Is this the best thing ever? No, but it is the best thing the Wolves could have done given the constraints we are under. Will it hurt us short term? Yup, because we will be playing a rookie PG for(probably) 15-20 minutes a game for his growth. The more playing time he has, the more video the trainers will have and can work with Rob on what he needs to improve on.

Rob, I believe in you! Kick arse and take names!!

[Colbinii]

Plus Ant is 23.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

You say that but it happens. Wade/Kobe both won at 24 and then didnt win again until LeBron/Gasol joined.

Durant went to the Finals at 23 and didn't go back until he was with a different franchise.

Ok so Wade and Kobe support my argument.

Would the 2030 pick help us this year? No.

What are we even talking about?

Moot points. Straw men. Get it together, folks. Tyus was never coming here and 2030 pick doesn’t help us this year.

Connelly HELPED OUR ODDS THIS YEAR by acquiring Dilly. ESPECIALLY because Tyus was an impossibility.

Again, keep your eye on the ball, people.

Huh? I never mentioned Tyus in my post.

[thinktank]

You say that but it happens. Wade/Kobe both won at 24 and then didnt win again until LeBron/Gasol joined.

Durant went to the Finals at 23 and didn't go back until he was with a different franchise.

Ok so Wade and Kobe support my argument.

Would the 2030 pick help us this year? No.

What are we even talking about?

Moot points. Straw men. Get it together, folks. Tyus was never coming here and 2030 pick doesn’t help us this year.

Connelly HELPED OUR ODDS THIS YEAR by acquiring Dilly. ESPECIALLY because Tyus was an impossibility.

Again, keep your eye on the ball, people.

Huh? I never mentioned Tyus in my post.

It’s kind of important to know how the conversation got here.

It certainly doesn’t belong in this Dilly thread. It has nothing to do with Dilly whatsoever.

[shrink]

Even more than Tyus, the same point can be made for Monte Morris.

I thoroughly endorsed Connelly’s trade last year to bring in Morris, not just for the chance he could recover and help us in the playoffs, but because we had the chance to pay him with Bird rights. However, the gamble on Dillingham and the insistence that we were going to give him big minutes immediately had Morris leave, revoke his Bird rights, and sign for the minimum on a PHX team where he would get more minutes. Moreover, Dillingham’s $6.2 mil is likely more expensive than we could have kept the veteran Morris.

If we needed a PG of the Future, there is no reason we couldn’t have traded the 2030 MIN 1st swap + 2031 MIN 1st unprotected NEXT year for a different guy. Hell, we could likely have traded that package for Dillingham himself, and have him do his rookie learning on the Spurs! But regardless of which PGotF we traded for next year, we would have improved out chances of winning this year with either vet. This season we can afford a bench with Naz and NAW, next season this team is going to lose talent somewhere because of finances, so maximizing our odds to win a championship now should have been the priority, in my opinion.

[Colbinii]

Ok so Wade and Kobe support my argument.

Would the 2030 pick help us this year? No.

What are we even talking about?

Moot points. Straw men. Get it together, folks. Tyus was never coming here and 2030 pick doesn’t help us this year.

Connelly HELPED OUR ODDS THIS YEAR by acquiring Dilly. ESPECIALLY because Tyus was an impossibility.

Again, keep your eye on the ball, people.

Huh? I never mentioned Tyus in my post.

It’s kind of important to know how the conversation got here.

It certainly doesn’t belong in this Dilly thread. It has nothing to do with Dilly whatsoever.

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

[shrink]

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

I agree. Ant is going to get better, but the overall team is going to decline, with age (Conley, Gobert?) and becoming shallow as we lose talent for financial reasons (Towns OR Naz, NAW).

[BlacJacMac]

Even more than Tyus, the same point can be made for Monte Morris.

I thoroughly endorsed Connelly’s trade last year to bring in Morris, not just for the chance he could recover and help us in the playoffs, but because we had the chance to pay him with Bird rights. However, the gamble on Dillingham and the insistence that we were going to give him big minutes immediately had Morris leave, revoke his Bird rights, and sign for the minimum on a PHX team where he would get more minutes. Moreover, Dillingham’s $6.2 mil is likely more expensive than we could have kept the veteran Morris.

If we needed a PG of the Future, there is no reason we couldn’t have traded the 2030 MIN 1st swap + 2031 MIN 1st unprotected NEXT year for a different guy. Hell, we could likely have traded that package for Dillingham himself, and have him do his rookie learning on the Spurs! But regardless of which PGotF we traded for next year, we would have improved out chances of winning this year with either vet. This season we can afford a bench with Naz and NAW, next season this team is going to lose talent somewhere because of finances, so maximizing our odds to win a championship now should have been the priority, in my opinion.

There are a lot of leaps in this argument.

How many times have we seen a similar trade like we did for Dilly? I'm guessing its well less than a handful, and definitely not available every year.

If Dillingham looked good enough as a rookie on the Spurs, there is no way they trade him to us for that little.

[Note30]

Even more than Tyus, the same point can be made for Monte Morris.

I thoroughly endorsed Connelly’s trade last year to bring in Morris, not just for the chance he could recover and help us in the playoffs, but because we had the chance to pay him with Bird rights. However, the gamble on Dillingham and the insistence that we were going to give him big minutes immediately had Morris leave, revoke his Bird rights, and sign for the minimum on a PHX team where he would get more minutes. Moreover, Dillingham’s $6.2 mil is likely more expensive than we could have kept the veteran Morris.

If we needed a PG of the Future, there is no reason we couldn’t have traded the 2030 MIN 1st swap + 2031 MIN 1st unprotected NEXT year for a different guy. Hell, we could likely have traded that package for Dillingham himself, and have him do his rookie learning on the Spurs! But regardless of which PGotF we traded for next year, we would have improved out chances of winning this year with either vet. This season we can afford a bench with Naz and NAW, next season this team is going to lose talent somewhere because of finances, so maximizing our odds to win a championship now should have been the priority, in my opinion.

There are a lot of leaps in this argument.

How many times have we seen a similar trade like we did for Dilly? I'm guessing its well less than a handful, and definitely not available every year.

If Dillingham looked good enough as a rookie on the Spurs, there is no way they trade him to us for that little.

What does that say about him this year then?

[thinktank]

Huh? I never mentioned Tyus in my post.

It’s kind of important to know how the conversation got here.

It certainly doesn’t belong in this Dilly thread. It has nothing to do with Dilly whatsoever.

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

Of course not.

In turn, "a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF" isn't guaranteed NOT to have higher chances of success at 25 - 30 as he does now.

You can both sides this to death. It doesn't add any value.

[thinktank]

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

I agree. Ant is going to get better, but the overall team is going to decline, with age (Conley, Gobert?) and becoming shallow as we lose talent for financial reasons (Towns OR Naz, NAW).

Bookmarking this one for sure. I think you guys are crazy for underestimating Ant, as well as the pull he will have around the league as he improves throughout his max contract with us.

And I will add again, that conversation does not belong in this thread. It has zero relevancy here.

[thinktank]

Even more than Tyus, the same point can be made for Monte Morris.

I thoroughly endorsed Connelly’s trade last year to bring in Morris, not just for the chance he could recover and help us in the playoffs, but because we had the chance to pay him with Bird rights. However, the gamble on Dillingham and the insistence that we were going to give him big minutes immediately had Morris leave, revoke his Bird rights, and sign for the minimum on a PHX team where he would get more minutes. Moreover, Dillingham’s $6.2 mil is likely more expensive than we could have kept the veteran Morris.

If we needed a PG of the Future, there is no reason we couldn’t have traded the 2030 MIN 1st swap + 2031 MIN 1st unprotected NEXT year for a different guy. Hell, we could likely have traded that package for Dillingham himself, and have him do his rookie learning on the Spurs! But regardless of which PGotF we traded for next year, we would have improved out chances of winning this year with either vet. This season we can afford a bench with Naz and NAW, next season this team is going to lose talent somewhere because of finances, so maximizing our odds to win a championship now should have been the priority, in my opinion.

How would you have maximized our odds to win a championship now?

You can't say Tyus, because he was never going to sign here.

So again, who would you have gotten to help us more NOW?

It should be a really simple question for you to answer, because you're already going down the road saying "should", implying we made a mistake.

I don't think Monte Morris would be any better than Dillingham. Monte was missing games with us and barely played in the playoffs. He played all of 25 SECONDS against Dallas. He shot 31% against Denver and had 5 assists in 35 minutes. Definitely not lifting us up there. He was even worse against Phoenix, shooting 27%.

Connelly saw that and was like, "no, Monte cannot help us next year."

Yet you're second guessing Connelly over Monte Morris. That's out there.

[Klomp]

If we needed a PG of the Future, there is no reason we couldn’t have traded the 2030 MIN 1st swap + 2031 MIN 1st unprotected NEXT year for a different guy.

Wrong, for the simple fact that the second apron would have locked the 2031 pick away on July 1.

[Klomp]

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

I agree. Ant is going to get better, but the overall team is going to decline, with age (Conley, Gobert?) and becoming shallow as we lose talent for financial reasons (Towns OR Naz, NAW).

It's too bad that Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and BJ Armstrong were Chicago's only chance at building a championship roster around Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.

[Colbinii]

It’s kind of important to know how the conversation got here.

It certainly doesn’t belong in this Dilly thread. It has nothing to do with Dilly whatsoever.

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

Of course not.

In turn, "a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF" isn't guaranteed NOT to have higher chances of success at 25 - 30 as he does now.

You can both sides this to death. It doesn't add any value.

Right, but you should go see who I responded to.

It's like you aren't following the conversation.

Here is the quote from the person I originally quoted, which you failed to read.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

See, he says there is no way. There is a way, and that is my point. I am not saying 2024 was our best chance. I am saying if we look back in 5-10 years, it is possible 2024 was the closest we got.

So I agree with you, there are both sides. That is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING!

[thinktank]

My point is that a team with a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF, isn't guaranteed to have higher chances of success at 25-30 than he does now.

Of course not.

In turn, "a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF" isn't guaranteed NOT to have higher chances of success at 25 - 30 as he does now.

You can both sides this to death. It doesn't add any value.

Right, but you should go see who I responded to.

It's like you aren't following the conversation.

Here is the quote from the person I originally quoted, which you failed to read.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

See, he says there is no way. There is a way, and that is my point. I am not saying 2024 was our best chance. I am saying if we look back in 5-10 years, it is possible 2024 was the closest we got.

So I agree with you, there are both sides. That is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING!

Calm down, sir, this is a Wendy's.

I'm flummoxed that the mods think this is an appropriate thread for this discussion. It makes no sense. None of what you're talking about is related to Rob Dillingham! That's the superceding point!

[Colbinii]

Of course not.

In turn, "a young superstar, in his age 23 season, after making the WCF" isn't guaranteed NOT to have higher chances of success at 25 - 30 as he does now.

You can both sides this to death. It doesn't add any value.

Right, but you should go see who I responded to.

It's like you aren't following the conversation.

Here is the quote from the person I originally quoted, which you failed to read.

There’s no way this is our best shot at a championship.

See, he says there is no way. There is a way, and that is my point. I am not saying 2024 was our best chance. I am saying if we look back in 5-10 years, it is possible 2024 was the closest we got.

So I agree with you, there are both sides. That is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING!

Calm down, sir, this is a Wendy's.

I'm flummoxed that the mods think this is an appropriate thread for this discussion. It makes no sensel. None of what you're talking about is related to Rob Dillingham!

Who cares? There isn't any name calling and limiting discussion without allowing discussion to run its course isn't the MODs job.