2016 draft thread: Part 2

Darkwing Duck21 · Post #701 » by **Darkwing Duck21** » Thu May 26, 2016 5:45 pm

I'm all in for Murray, not quite the shooter Hield is, but close: not quite the floor general Dunn is but close: and 3 years younger than both. Mid rounders I like:
Sabonis: grit IQ and improving shot
Valentine: jack of all trades, could be a key bench piece.

Darkwing Duck21 · Post #702 » by **Darkwing Duck21** » Thu May 26, 2016 5:46 pm

I'm all in for Murray, not quite the shooter Hield is, but close: not quite the floor general Dunn is but close: and 3 years younger than both. Mid rounders I like:
Sabonis: grit IQ and improving shot
Valentine: jack of all trades, could be a key bench piece.

wildvikeswolves · Post #703 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Thu May 26, 2016 5:55 pm

Murphs56 wrote:I think a lot on here underestimate Dunn's value around the league. Many expect him to be gone before 5, but if he's on the board, i'd bet a lot of teams will be calling.

Which is a little odd considering the Celtic and Suns guards.

I'm back in the Dunn train though. Bender/Dunn/Murray/Hield I'm happy with and it seems safe to assume one of those 4 will be a Twolf

codigoman · Post #704 » by **codigoman** » Thu May 26, 2016 5:59 pm

If there is no bender available:

J. Murray > One trick Hield. Murray significantly higher potential because age and better all-around game, better feel for the game, and those 3´s off-screen are money. You pick potential and fit at #5, no one dimensional 3 point shooter, for that you use the free agency

IMO this is the repetition of debate between Towns vs one trick Okafor

jpatrick · Post #705 » by **jpatrick** » Thu May 26, 2016 6:45 pm

I could talk myself into Hield given how important shooting is in the current game, but I just think Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Bender, and Dunn will be better NBA players thus I'd take whoever is left of that group. I think Murray is going to be a very good player. I look at what Booker did for the Suns and think Murray is better and more versatile.

Sugarless · Post #706 » by **Sugarless** » Thu May 26, 2016 7:05 pm

Buddy Hield is longer, a better rebounder, he goes to the line more, has a slightly better AS% and is a more efficient and better all-around scorer. Out of those two, Hield is certainly not the one trick pony.

The only reason why Jamal Murray is considered a combo guard is because he's a small SG with a rather short wingspan. He hasn't shown any kind of ability to run a team at the NBA level. It's people thinking Zach LaVine could play PG all over again.

moss_is_1 · Post #707 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu May 26, 2016 7:58 pm

Sugarless wrote:Buddy Hield is longer, a better rebounder, he goes to the line more, has a slightly better AS% and is a more efficient and better all-around scorer. Out of those two, Hield is certainly not the one trick pony.

The only reason why Jamal Murray is considered a combo guard is because he's a small SG with a rather short wingspan. He hasn't shown any kind of ability to run a team at the NBA level. It's people thinking Zach LaVine could play PG all over again.

Obviously he hasn't shown that, he hasn't played in the NBA. I guess Dunn isn't a pg either, he hasn't shown it at the nba level.

Murray is best at SG, but he played pg for Canada so he has some skill there. He didn't play it at all at UK because of Ullis and Briscoe being better. It'll come down to workouts to see what kind of PG skills murray really has.

Killboard · Post #708 » by **Killboard** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:07 pm

Sugarless wrote:Buddy Hield is longer, a better rebounder, he goes to the line more, has a slightly better AS% and is a more efficient and better all-around scorer. Out of those two, Hield is certainly not the one trick pony.

The only reason why Jamal Murray is considered a combo guard is because he's a small SG with a rather short wingspan. He hasn't shown any kind of ability to run a team at the NBA level. It's people thinking Zach LaVine could play PG all over again.

Murray isnt a one trick pony. Just watch him pick apart the US team in the Panam games in the P&R even without college experience. And I dont think is a good idea compare Murray freshman season with Hield senior season. Neither is take as a fact that Murray will improve at the same pace that Hield did. But there is a real chance, and that's why he has more ceiling.

codigoman · Post #709 » by **codigoman** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:22 pm

I mean, I see Hield one dimensiaonal in the same way of Okafor, excells in one think but don´t see potential be good in nothing more.

Sugarless · Post #710 » by **Sugarless** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:36 pm

As I said, this is Zach LaVine playing PG all over again. Some people never learn.

Sugarless · Post #711 » by **Sugarless** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:46 pm

Killboard wrote:
Sugarless wrote:Buddy Hield is longer, a better rebounder, he goes to the line more, has a slightly better AS% and is a more efficient and better all-around scorer. Out of those two, Hield is certainly not the one trick pony.

The only reason why Jamal Murray is considered a combo guard is because he's a small SG with a rather short wingspan. He hasn't shown any kind of ability to run a team at the NBA level. It's people thinking Zach LaVine could play PG all over again.

Murray isnt a one trick pony. Just watch him pick apart the US team in the Panam games in the P&R even without college experience. And I dont think is a good idea compare Murray freshman season with Hield senior season. Neither is take as a fact that Murray will improve at the same pace that Hield did. But there is a real chance, and that's why he has more ceiling.

I've always said he has a bigger ceiling. I don't think that's what this team has to look for right now with its 5th pick, especially if we're not talking about a PF. We have more than enough players to develop, it's time to look for guys who have the biggest chance of contributing right away while still having some upside.

Sugarless · Post #712 » by **Sugarless** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:52 pm

codigoman wrote:I mean, I see Hield one dimensiaonal in the same way of Okafor, excells in one think but don´t see potential be good in nothing more.

The problem is they're similar players in that aspect right now. Murray may or may not be better in other areas in the future, but right now he projects to be a sharpshooting SG like Hield does, only younger (which is better) and less experienced (which is worse). The Wolves are in a position where they don't need to bet on players that will probably need an extra year or two to develop, they need to start competing now, and when they're hopefully fighting to get in the playoffs next year they need guys who are ready to step in and contribute.

Post #713 » by **Klomp** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:54 pm

When it comes to the three guards, I would be very comfortable with either Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn joining Ricky Rubio and Zach LaVine in a three-guard rotation. If it's Buddy Hield, we would need to add Tyus Jones or another PG into the rotation.

Mattya · Post #714 » by **Mattya** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:08 pm

Yea we need 3 point shooting, but if we are adding Buddy then Zach will be playing some point guard minutes. I think most of us are done with that. Would rather play Dunn or Murray with either Ricky or LaVine.

Mattya · Post #715 » by **Mattya** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:15 pm

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gopher wolf · Post #716 » by **gopher wolf** » Thu May 26, 2016 10:20 pm

Sugarless wrote:As I said, this is Zach LaVine playing PG all over again. Some people never learn.

Murray at PG is more like D'Angelo Russell playing the position than Lavine.

Sugarless · Post #717 » by **Sugarless** » Thu May 26, 2016 11:38 pm

gopher wolf wrote:
Sugarless wrote:As I said, this is Zach LaVine playing PG all over again. Some people never learn.

Murray at PG is more like D'Angelo Russell playing the position than Lavine.

Nope, not at all. D'Angelo showed he could be a PG in college, he played that position for the entire season and proved his playmaking skills and the ability to create for others, posting a 30.1 AST% and 14.8 TO% with 1.7 assists per TO.

Murray has not played PG in college and also hasn't proved to be able to create despite having the ball a lot in his hands. He's only managed to get a 12.1 AST% (BTW, Buddy Hield's career average is 12.9%, with 14.6% and as a freshman) with also a 12.1 TO% and a negative 0.94 assist to turnover ratio (he's accumulated more TOs than assists).

If anything, if you want to include D'Angelo Russell in the conversation, his struggles at the point while clearly being a superior playmaker should make you all the more wary about playing Jamal Murray at PG when he enters the NBA.

King Malta · Post #718 » by **King Malta** » Fri May 27, 2016 1:12 am

I'm pretty sold on Heild, but I won't be shattered if we take somebody else.

With Thibs coming in I think we have enough players with the qualities to be good defenders that he can lift that side of our game, but he's not going to be able to fix our shooting woes the same way. Heild has shown potential to be an elite shooter and that's a massive weakness in our current roster.

In regards to Dunn, I don't think taking him means Rubio gets moved in the near future, in fact I think if anything it would allow us some continuity in style between the bench and starting unit, something we've struggled with in recent times as we've been unable to find anyone who can go close to offering what Rubio does for the starters.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #719 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri May 27, 2016 1:25 am

I actually wouldnt be upset if Thon Maker was the only guy we come out of the draft with. He fits with what we need at the 4 spot.

I just wouldnt take him at 5 based on value and not because of ability.

Murphs56 · Post #720 » by **Murphs56** » Fri May 27, 2016 1:40 am

wildvikeswolves wrote:
Murphs56 wrote:I think a lot on here underestimate Dunn's value around the league. Many expect him to be gone before 5, but if he's on the board, i'd bet a lot of teams will be calling.

Which is a little odd considering the Celtic and Suns guards.

I'm back in the Dunn train though. Bender/Dunn/Murray/Hield I'm happy with and it seems safe to assume one of those 4 will be a Twolf

If not those teams, many are predicting a team to trade and grab him.