Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[KGdaBom]

We need Ben Simmons.

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For what?

I'm being serious what need does he actually fill?

He's never played the PF position but if its that it then you're basically asking him to do a lot.

We need him for his BBIQ, size, strength, ball handling, driving, facilitating, rebounding, scoring, and defense. Those and his overall very good basketball playing. Yes I know his shooting from distance sucks. I don't care much. All his good points greatly outweigh his poor shooting.

[jpatrick]

We need Ben Simmons.

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For what?

I'm being serious what need does he actually fill?

He's never played the PF position but if its that it then you're basically asking him to do a lot.

Simmons is exactly what we need. Your position is who you can guard. Simmons can guard 1-4 better than anyone in the league. Kinda important for our team, no? So yes, he can play PF.

And he was nominally called PG. but he’s not a guy that takes the ball in the half court from the perimeter, runs pick and rolls, etc. he’s an elite ball mover, shot creator, cutter, and rebounder. All things we desperately need.

The last thing we need is another scorer. We need a low usage, high impact player. That is Simmons.

What need doesn’t he fill I ask back at you?

[Calinks]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

[Calinks]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

[shangrila]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

You’re not wrong, but we were essentially in the same spot with Butler. Sometimes what they need isn’t available, especially if it’s t comes at the cost of pissing off the largest player agency in the league.

[SO_MONEY]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

The longer this goes on, the lower the offers. The point to get a reactionary offer has passed. He needed to strike early, he chose to mess about. This was misplayed and you can't un-ring the bell.

[jpatrick]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

This is why I think a pick heavy deal is what will happen if Simmons is dealt before training camp. If Simmons is moved for useful salary filler (Beasley, Pat Bev), young player (McDaniels), and several picks, it keeps open a move for a star at the deadline. A Portland or Washington will want rookie scale players, salary relief, and picks in a deal as they go into a rebuild (like Houston wanted last year).

If Morey moves Simmons for something like Brogdon and TJ Warren or Murray and White from the Spurs, that hope for a deadline superstar becomes a long shot. Because those good but not rebuild type players will not be enticing to the Wiz or Blazers.

I don’t think those teams would want a Simmons either, much like Houston didn’t want him last year. He’s just good enough that they would never get a top 7ish pick, which is really needed in a rebuild.

[SO_MONEY]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

This is why I think a pick heavy deal is what will happen if Simmons is dealt before training camp. If Simmons is moved for useful salary filler (Beasley, Pat Bev), young player (McDaniels), and several picks, it keeps open a move for a star at the deadline. A Portland or Washington will want rookie scale players, salary relief, and picks in a deal as they go into a rebuild (like Houston wanted last year).

If Morey moves Simmons for something like Brogdon and TJ Warren or Murray and White from the Spurs, that hope for a deadline superstar becomes a long shot. Because those good but not rebuild type players will not be enticing to the Wiz or Blazers.

I don’t think those teams would want a Simmons either, much like Houston didn’t want him last year. He’s just good enough that they would never get a top 7ish pick, which is really needed in a rebuild.

Getting a ton of picks will be difficult, possibly two depending on protections and if a young player or two is included. Two younger players and two picks is on the high end. Beasley, Naz, Prince and 1st...with a possible second 1st.

Combination platter of Beasley, Naz, Maxey, Thybulle, Springer, Reed (filler) and 4 1sts, swaps as ammo. Harris in expanded deal.

[KGdaBom]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

I see it different. I think Simmons depreciates in value the longer this drags out.

[SO_MONEY]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

I see it different. I think Simmons depreciates in value the longer this drags out.

No kidding. I don't get how people think this can be salvaged. There is literally nothing PHI can do to rehab Simmons value at this point... except hope he backs down and plays WELL and does this with a brutal media criticizing his every move and the fans booing him...they booed Santa Claus...and pegged him with snowballs... can Simmons handle that? The environment isn't exactly beneficial, knowing what we know about his mental makeup.

[Calinks]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

You’re not wrong, but we were essentially in the same spot with Butler. Sometimes what they need isn’t available, especially if it’s t comes at the cost of pissing off the largest player agency in the league.

I disagree. We weren't as desperate to win a title or in a position to do one as Philly is. They have been a very good team for years now and this is their window to win a title. We could afford to get marginally better or take a step back. Philly can't they need to make a homerun play. If they just get some normal pieces, treadmill it for another two years, Embiid is probably gone or may decline with injures. They need to be in the title picture ASAP with the core team they have built up.

[Calinks]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

I see it different. I think Simmons depreciates in value the longer this drags out.

Maybe but if we are at the deadline and a team is ready to make a big move, I think they still go after him. It's not like he's past his prime and his value is dropping rapidly. He will still be the same player and as teams realize they aren't as good as they thought, the offers start to change. What if the Lakers have a horrible first half? What if the Clippers look like a mess? Portland gets out to a all-time bad start and Dame wants out? Interest can change rapidly.

I think it hurts Morey more to take a mediocre deal now just to move him.

[Domejandro]

Daryl Morey's entire career showcases that he is not someone who gets crunched by arbitrary timelines.

[KGdaBom]

The more I think about it the more I realize Morey has to get a really good return. He simply can't afford to take a lesser deal. It would seriously benefit the team more to just hold out, let Ben sit out, until they can get a good deal. The Sixers are not a team that will be absolutely terrible without him, they could still be a top 6 team.

Their ability to win a title pretty much hinges on the return they get for Simmons, if they mess this up, their window could close. Even if it takes the deadline and half of a season of no Simmons, Morey has to sit this out unless he can get a deal he thinks will elevate them. He3 can't afford to do a Butler for Saric+Covington type deal. He needs a game changer.

He's probably just going to hold out for Lillard or some other surprise star. It's a mess but failing this trade would be a lot worse.

I see it different. I think Simmons depreciates in value the longer this drags out.

Maybe but if we are at the deadline and a team is ready to make a big move, I think they still go after him. It's not like he's past his prime and his value is dropping rapidly. He will still be the same player and as teams realize they aren't as good as they thought, the offers start to change. What if the Lakers have a horrible first half? What if the Clippers look like a mess? Portland gets out to a all-time bad start and Dame wants out? Interest can change rapidly.

I think it hurts Morey more to take a mediocre deal now just to move him.

Mediocre is relative. Of course he should look for the best value deal he can get. I personally believe that Beasley, McDaniel, Prince and 2 protected FRPs say to 7 is fair.

[Calinks]

I see it different. I think Simmons depreciates in value the longer this drags out.

Maybe but if we are at the deadline and a team is ready to make a big move, I think they still go after him. It's not like he's past his prime and his value is dropping rapidly. He will still be the same player and as teams realize they aren't as good as they thought, the offers start to change. What if the Lakers have a horrible first half? What if the Clippers look like a mess? Portland gets out to a all-time bad start and Dame wants out? Interest can change rapidly.

I think it hurts Morey more to take a mediocre deal now just to move him.

Mediocre is relative. Of course he should look for the best value deal he can get. I personally believe that Beasley, McDaniel, Prince and 2 protected FRPs say to 7 is fair.

Yea I don't think that is a terrible deal, not what they are looking for probably but that's not a bad move. Beasley is a great fit. Jaden has good potential and can impact now. Two first are good assets.

[KGdaBom]

Maybe but if we are at the deadline and a team is ready to make a big move, I think they still go after him. It's not like he's past his prime and his value is dropping rapidly. He will still be the same player and as teams realize they aren't as good as they thought, the offers start to change. What if the Lakers have a horrible first half? What if the Clippers look like a mess? Portland gets out to a all-time bad start and Dame wants out? Interest can change rapidly.

I think it hurts Morey more to take a mediocre deal now just to move him.

Mediocre is relative. Of course he should look for the best value deal he can get. I personally believe that Beasley, McDaniel, Prince and 2 protected FRPs say to 7 is fair.

Yea I don't think that is a terrible deal, not what they are looking for probably but that's not a bad move. Beasley is a great fit. Jaden has good potential and can impact now. Two first are good assets.

and Prince is a sold player who could start on a lot of teams.

[sixers4real]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

[Neeva]

If you think he’s worth that much you should keep him. Lol

[sixers4real]

If you think he’s worth that much you should keep him. Lol

I would much rather keep him then trade him

[Mamba4Goat]

Fwiw Morey sitting on Simmons could decrease his value if everything in the league stays the same but…players get hurt, new teams/players emerge, other teams/players underperform and now you may have a disgruntled star finally on the market or a team with the right assets willing to pull the trigger. New teams throwing new pieces into the sweepstakes can definitely change things.