Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[KGdaBom]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

You know your stuff as those are the players I just proposed, but two firsts top 7 protected and I might drop the protection to top 4. If you want a couple swaps you'd need to give up one of the firsts.

[theGreatRC]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

I would do 3 firsts top 5 protected, but all of those players are included.

[younggunsmn]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

3 1sts is too much, 3 1sts + 3 swaps is insane. This isnt James Harden or Paul George here or even a player with a working jump shot.

This is my top offer:
2 of these 3 for salary matching: Beasley, Beverly, Prince
2 of these 3 for value: McDaniels, 2022 1st (unprotected), 2024 1st (top 5 protected 24, 25,26 reverts to 2 2nds 27).
If you want any swaps beyond that, I'll give one with top 14 protection on the swap.
Then you also have to take Jake Layman and throw in Paul Reed.
And that probably too much to offer, but the clock ticking on KAT makes us a little desperate.

[Neeva]

If you think he’s worth that much you should keep him. Lol

I would much rather keep him then trade him

Good let that toxicity keep festering.

[SO_MONEY]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

That is way too much.

I would say a package of Beasley, Naz, Prince and a 1st is about the ceiling of my comfort level. I think it is entirely possible you could squeeze an additional pick and/or swap... asset (Bolmaro), but I wouldn't add pick(s) anyways. It is hard to leverage assets and your future for a player with his weaknesses: lack of development, mental makeup, contract and general fit for the modern game.

I don't think this is an uncommon perspective and why there is lack of interest and malaise across the NBA.

[shrink]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

[SO_MONEY]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

I don't know if teams are willing to trade any of their top 3 options, Simmons is built to be a 4th or 5th option if you want to get the most out of him and your team. That right there kind of caps offers.

[Wolveswin]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

I don't know if teams are willing to trade any of their top 3 options, Simmons is built to be a 4th or 5th option if you want to get the most out of him and your team. That right there kind of caps offers.

I think that offer is close. Meaning, if Morey will say yes to that type of package, let’s begin exclusive negotiations.

I would remove McDaniels and keep the same amount of 1sts in the deal. After all, McDaniels has a role on Wolves and almost none on 76ers. Plus McDaniels is a worth more to us than you value.

Then add more protections on the later 1sts. 2022 top 3 then 2nds. 2024 top 8 then 2nds. 2026 lotto for 2 years then 2nds. Swaps can be unprotected.

[shrink]

With new ownership on the way, do people believe Rosas has permission to trade away multiple future 1sts and pick swaps, and damage the Wolves future drafts for the next six years?

C’mon. It’s called REAL gm.

[jpatrick]

With new ownership on the way, do people believe Rosas has permission to trade away multiple future 1sts and pick swaps, and damage the Wolves future drafts for the next six years?

C’mon. It’s called REAL gm.

This is a legit question and one we don’t know. Sounds like Lore enjoys hanging around with the team already. Maybe he wants a winner sooner than later. May be wants status quo until he officially takes over. Maybe he sees himself as a basketball evaluator and thinks Simmons will put the team over the top.

Rosas seems 100% in on these negotiations. I’d have to think he is offering legit assets, otherwise why allow his players names float out there when that can damage that relationship. I don’t buy he’d allow that simply to help his former boss out.

[SO_MONEY]

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

I don't know if teams are willing to trade any of their top 3 options, Simmons is built to be a 4th or 5th option if you want to get the most out of him and your team. That right there kind of caps offers.

I think that offer is close. Meaning, if Morey will say yes to that type of package, let’s begin exclusive negotiations.

I would remove McDaniels and keep the same amount of 1sts in the deal. After all, McDaniels has a role on Wolves and almost none on 76ers. Plus McDaniels is a worth more to us than you value.

Then add more protections on the later 1sts. 2022 top 3 then 2nds. 2024 top 8 then 2nds. 2026 lotto for 2 years then 2nds. Swaps can be unprotected.

Of course Morey accepts, but no team is going to offer anything close to that, including MN. They are going to have trouble getting two firsts (protected), much less three. And to get two, the player packages will have to be moderate.

[shrink]

With new ownership on the way, do people believe Rosas has permission to trade away multiple future 1sts and pick swaps, and damage the Wolves future drafts for the next six years?

C’mon. It’s called REAL gm.

This is a legit question and one we don’t know. Sounds like Lore enjoys hanging around with the team already. Maybe he wants a winner sooner than later. May be wants status quo until he officially takes over. Maybe he sees himself as a basketball evaluator and thinks Simmons will put the team over the top.

Rosas seems 100% in on these negotiations. I’d have to think he is offering legit assets, otherwise why allow his players names float out there when that can damage that relationship. I don’t buy he’d allow that simply to help his former boss out.

He hasn’t foisted any names. Instead, he’s said KAT and ANT are off the table, and when people said, “what about DLo?” He said same thing like he wanted to combine DLo with Simmons. Others are speculating about matching salary players.

But I think it’s a good point. We don’t know. I think Rosas would probably need permission from all three owners. I think he might get it for a pick and a pick swap, which would be under Taylor’s watch anyway. But a Billy King style, damage your draft for the next six years thing, I think is unrealistic. It’s highly likely Lore and ARod will want their own GM, and they won’t want him hamstrung from Rosas trading away all his draft pick ammunition.

[SO_MONEY]

With new ownership on the way, do people believe Rosas has permission to trade away multiple future 1sts and pick swaps, and damage the Wolves future drafts for the next six years?

C’mon. It’s called REAL gm.

This is a legit question and one we don’t know. Sounds like Lore enjoys hanging around with the team already. Maybe he wants a winner sooner than later. May be wants status quo until he officially takes over. Maybe he sees himself as a basketball evaluator and thinks Simmons will put the team over the top.

Rosas seems 100% in on these negotiations. I’d have to think he is offering legit assets, otherwise why allow his players names float out there when that can damage that relationship. I don’t buy he’d allow that simply to help his former boss out.

He hasn’t foisted any names. Instead, he’s said KAT and ANT are off the table, and when people said, “what about DLo?” He said same thing like he wanted to combine DLo with Simmons. Others are speculating about matching salary players.

But I think it’s a good point. We don’t know. I think Rosas would probably need permission from all three owners. I think he might get it for a pick and a pick swap, which would be under Taylor’s watch anyway. But a Billy King style, damage your draft for the next six years thing, I think is unrealistic. It’s highly likely Lore and ARod will want their own GM, and they won’t want him hamstrung from Rosas trading away all his trade ammunition.

I think MN trading two picks is the maximum, but I don't think Rosas' is going to be jettisoned just because of a new ownership group, in fact he might be safer in that position given his latin heritage. In short for Rosas to move on he really needs to screw things up. He has done well thus far, hit and miss on some things, but a net positive tenure.

[minimus]

Load management

If your core players are playing 36+ minutes during regular season it means either you are Thibs or you have no bench. I think Finch is smart enough to rotate our players base on matchups and offensive/defensive load, while Rosas can find starting PF and 3rd string C. Would love to bring back McLaughlin as 3rd string PG, but it looks like this ship has sailed.

[KGdaBom]

Load management

If your core players are playing 36+ minutes during regular season it means either you are Thibs or you have no bench. I think Finch is smart enough to rotate our players base on matchups and offensive/defensive load, while Rosas can find starting PF and 3rd string C. Would love to bring back McLaughlin as 3rd string PG, but it looks like this ship has sailed.

And as always you are way way way too concerned with load management. 36 Minutes a game for KAT, Ant and DLo is nothing.

[Mamba4Goat]

I think he said it on his pod, but Dane talked about how McLaughlin had a deal for 3 years, a little over 2mil annually lined up to be the backup Pg. I don’t think that ship has necessarily sailed as it wouldn’t be shocking at all to see Bev go in a Simmons trade. If the market dries up, a one year vet min wouldn’t be the end of the world for both parties either. J-Mac would be free of RFA status and could get better offers/situations for him next offseason and Minny would have his early bird rights which allows them to offer 175% more than the 1 year min contract without using any exceptions. That’s roughly right money-wise and could be perfect for both parties.

[Dewey]

Load management

If your core players are playing 36+ minutes during regular season it means either you are Thibs or you have no bench. I think Finch is smart enough to rotate our players base on matchups and offensive/defensive load, while Rosas can find starting PF and 3rd string C. Would love to bring back McLaughlin as 3rd string PG, but it looks like this ship has sailed.

And as always you are way way way too concerned with load management. 36 Minutes a game for KAT, Ant and DLo is nothing.

Especially for a you g team trying build identity… it’s also a positive sign that these players are deemed healthy, understand the system, and staying out of foul trouble to be able to handle 35-37 minute load range. I just despise micro managing minute loads … too much that goes into the whole equation

[Wolveswin]

I don't know if teams are willing to trade any of their top 3 options, Simmons is built to be a 4th or 5th option if you want to get the most out of him and your team. That right there kind of caps offers.

I think that offer is close. Meaning, if Morey will say yes to that type of package, let’s begin exclusive negotiations.

I would remove McDaniels and keep the same amount of 1sts in the deal. After all, McDaniels has a role on Wolves and almost none on 76ers. Plus McDaniels is a worth more to us than you value.

Then add more protections on the later 1sts. 2022 top 3 then 2nds. 2024 top 8 then 2nds. 2026 lotto for 2 years then 2nds. Swaps can be unprotected.

Of course Morey accepts, but no team is going to offer anything close to that, including MN. They are going to have trouble getting two firsts (protected), much less three. And to get two, the player packages will have to be moderate.

The problem is, for Wolves, their players offered at very meh. And if the only quality youth they have is McDaniels (much more valuable to Wolves than anyone else), 1sts are needed to make up for both of those shortfalls — more so when McDaniels is removed.

[SO_MONEY]

I think that offer is close. Meaning, if Morey will say yes to that type of package, let’s begin exclusive negotiations.

I would remove McDaniels and keep the same amount of 1sts in the deal. After all, McDaniels has a role on Wolves and almost none on 76ers. Plus McDaniels is a worth more to us than you value.

Then add more protections on the later 1sts. 2022 top 3 then 2nds. 2024 top 8 then 2nds. 2026 lotto for 2 years then 2nds. Swaps can be unprotected.

Of course Morey accepts, but no team is going to offer anything close to that, including MN. They are going to have trouble getting two firsts (protected), much less three. And to get two, the player packages will have to be moderate.

The problem is, for Wolves, their players offered at very meh. And if the only quality youth they have is McDaniels (much more valuable to Wolves than anyone else), 1sts are needed to make up for both of those shortfalls — more so when McDaniels is removed.

No, the problem is, for Philadelphia, no team wants to leverage their future or quality assets in large number for Ben. You are creating a market/demand that doesn't exist.

[Note30]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

That is way too much.

I would say a package of Beasley, Naz, Prince and a 1st is about the ceiling of my comfort level. I think it is entirely possible you could squeeze an additional pick and/or swap... asset (Bolmaro), but I wouldn't add pick(s) anyways. It is hard to leverage assets and your future for a player with his weaknesses: lack of development, mental makeup, contract and general fit for the modern game.

I don't think this is an uncommon perspective and why there is lack of interest and malaise across the NBA.

Beasley, Naz, Prince and a 1st

At most add in a pick swap and those 3 seconds.

and I'd be down too. I wouldn't be thrilled we're trading for Simmons, but it is what it is.

Dlo / Bev / Mclaughlin
Ant / Bolmaro / Nowell
McDaniels / ??
Simmons / Vando
Towns / ??

We'd have some holes, but hopefully vet min talents can carry us