2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon

Post #721 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:21 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'll need to check out the Wesley stuff again, a couple big boards have moved him really high, and supposedly he has lead guard potential /shrug

Wesley is a high potential guy. I've been in on him for awhile and he seems like he might be a Connelly type of pick.

moss_is_1 · Post #722 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:30 pm

Encouraging we worked out Max Christie, would be all for taking a chance on developing him in the 2nd round.

KGdaBom · Post #723 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:56 pm

Klomp wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'll need to check out the Wesley stuff again, a couple big boards have moved him really high, and supposedly he has lead guard potential /shrug

Wesley is a high potential guy. I've been in on him for awhile and he seems like he might be a Connelly type of pick.

Tankathon has him projected at 22 in the draft and 28th on their big board. Judging by plus minus stat cats he's horrible. Bolded cats considered strengths Italicized cats considered weaknesses.

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Post #724 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:00 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'll need to check out the Wesley stuff again, a couple big boards have moved him really high, and supposedly he has lead guard potential /shrug

Wesley is a high potential guy. I've been in on him for awhile and he seems like he might be a Connelly type of pick.

Tankathon has him projected at 22 in the draft and 28th on their big board. Judging by plus minus stat cats he's horrible. Bolded cats considered plusses Italicized cats considered negatives.

Like I said, he's more potential than immediate impact. Honestly reminds me a bit of the draft profile of Zach LaVine. Obviously not quite as athletic but still athletic in his own right.

Post #725 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:31 am

High impact, low usage. Finchy talked about that during the season and again after the season. After the season, Finchy also talked about adding guys who are two-way players. These are some of the things I'm looking for. That might eliminate some flashier names like Jovic and Hardy.

Post #726 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:46 am

Watch on YouTube

moss_is_1 · Post #727 » by **moss_is_1** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:21 am

Liking Beauchamp and Branham after looking at them more, think id like them more than Jalen Williams but its close. Kinda disappointed thay everyone near our pick seems to be a wing.

Beauchamp has tons of skills I'd love us to have, athletic, good defender, high motor, high IQ. His shot needs to improve but doesn't look broken, and he is gonna be 22 at season start I believe.

Post #728 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:41 am

moss_is_1 wrote:Liking Beauchamp and Branham after looking at them more, think id like them more than Jalen Williams but its close. Kinda disappointed thay everyone near our pick seems to be a wing.

Beauchamp has tons of skills I'd love us to have, athletic, good defender, high motor, high IQ. His shot needs to improve but doesn't look broken, and he is gonna be 22 at season start I believe.

I think if I had to narrow down my list of 3 favorites that I think we would realistically consider at 19, they would be Williams, Beauchamp and Kamagate.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #729 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:15 am

Klomp wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:Wesley is a high potential guy. I've been in on him for awhile and he seems like he might be a Connelly type of pick.

Tankathon has him projected at 22 in the draft and 28th on their big board. Judging by plus minus stat cats he's horrible. Bolded cats considered plusses Italicized cats considered negatives.

Like I said, he's more potential than immediate impact. Honestly reminds me a bit of the draft profile of Zach LaVine. Obviously not quite as athletic but still athletic in his own right.

So i watched that Adam Spinella scouting video on him - that's basically like 80% of my evaluation of a player is based on those sub-10 minute videos, so it is what it is - I wasn't blown away by any one particular thing. Like there wasn't a skillset where I was feeling like "that should be able to translate to the next level". So i dunno. He seemed potentially competent in pretty much every area is I guess how I'd put it. If they drafted him, I need to hear about how he blew them away in interviews and seems to have an insane work ethic, or whatever.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #730 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:24 am

Klomp wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Liking Beauchamp and Branham after looking at them more, think id like them more than Jalen Williams but its close. Kinda disappointed thay everyone near our pick seems to be a wing.

Beauchamp has tons of skills I'd love us to have, athletic, good defender, high motor, high IQ. His shot needs to improve but doesn't look broken, and he is gonna be 22 at season start I believe.

I think if I had to narrow down my list of 3 favorites that I think we would realistically consider at 19, they would be Williams, Beauchamp and Kamagate.

what do you see in kamagate - I had big Gorgui Dieng vibes watching him with the way he moves. Not sure I saw great explosiveness, he needed his length to make plays. Very deliberate athletically. Not bad, but not upper echelon either. Mid. It wasn't like Badji where I had to make an immediate inventory of the top athletes at center and where he'd rank.

Mattya · Post #731 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:42 am

Kamagate looks far more skilled as a roller. Gorgui was so slow and uncoordinated rolling to the basket.

KGdaBom · Post #732 » by **KGdaBom** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:46 am

Mattya wrote:Kamagate looks far more skilled as a roller. Gorgui was so slow and uncoordinated rolling to the basket.

Gorgui was actually a good player.

Note30 · Post #733 » by **Note30** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:02 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Mattya wrote:Kamagate looks far more skilled as a roller. Gorgui was so slow and uncoordinated rolling to the basket.

Gorgui was actually a good player.

If he wasn't so unathletic he would have a been a starter on some team rn.

Mattya · Post #734 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:08 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Mattya wrote:Kamagate looks far more skilled as a roller. Gorgui was so slow and uncoordinated rolling to the basket.

Gorgui was actually a good player.

I didn’t say he wasn’t. He just wast a good roller, which is a valuable skill for a big.

minimus · Post #735 » by **minimus** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:30 am

Mattya wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Mattya wrote:Kamagate looks far more skilled as a roller. Gorgui was so slow and uncoordinated rolling to the basket.

Gorgui was actually a good player.

I didn’t say he wasn’t. He just wast a good roller, which is a valuable skill for a big.

He also couldn't finish under the rim. Had average touch and was bad at catching the ball

minimus · Post #736 » by **minimus** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:43 pm

https://youtu.be/wY42dXE5kBM

Justin Lewis at #40?

Post #737 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:28 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:what do you see in kamagate - I had big Gorgui Dieng vibes watching him with the way he moves. Not sure I saw great explosiveness, he needed his length to make plays. Very deliberate athletically. Not bad, but not upper echelon either. Mid. It wasn't like Badji where I had to make an immediate inventory of the top athletes at center and where he'd rank.

It depends on what you are looking for from a center. For me, big traits are movement skills/potential switchability and passing IQ. No he's not Bam, but I think he could hold his own on the perimeter.

Norseman79 · Post #738 » by **Norseman79** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:39 pm

None of us really know what their offseason plans look like. However, if they're largely looking at running it back and supplementing what is there already, shouldn't we just go best player available regardless of position? Don't get me wrong, it's not exactly a philosophy I like but it does make sense

KGdaBom · Post #739 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:49 am

Stat wise other than 3% Walker Kessler looks amazing and his strengths outweigh his weaknesses by a lot. I haven't seen much talk about him. Do we not like him? Is it that he's almost 21 or is it the low 3%.

Have I ever mentioned how I really hate the 3 point shot. It controls every aspect of the game now. You can have a great center prospect who can bully his opponent, is an offensive beast inside, blocks shots, rebounds, gets steals, defends and passes, but he can't shoot the three. Move on from this one. :banghead:

I want us to draft him just out of principle.

Norseman79 · Post #740 » by **Norseman79** » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:03 am

KGdaBom wrote:Stat wise other than 3% Walker Kessler looks amazing and his strengths outweigh his weaknesses by a lot. I haven't seen much talk about him. Do we not like him? Is it that he's almost 21 or is it the low 3%.

Have I ever mentioned how I really hate the 3 point shot. It controls every aspect of the game now. You can have a great center prospect who can bully his opponent, is an offensive beast inside, blocks shots, rebounds, gets steals, defends and passes, but he can't shoot the three. Move on from this one.

I want us to draft him just out of principle.

I think the issue is lateral mobility and athleticism. He wouldn't be able to guard on perimeter. I am with you otherwise. I wish he was more explosive, but as a backup 5 you could do far worse. I would love them to eliminate the three ball, or make points in the paint worth 3 also.