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[IceManBK1]

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It'd be a nice off-season if we can get all of markkanen, hart and Schroder and resign Vanderbilt.

[shangrila]

It'd be a nice off-season if we can get all of markkanen, hart and Schroder and resign Vanderbilt.

This. This right here is the problem around here.

That’s a pipe dream. It’s probably not even legally possible. But this is a “nice” off-season to you.

And people wonder why they’re disappointed.

[Domejandro]

It'd be a nice off-season if we can get all of markkanen, hart and Schroder and resign Vanderbilt.

With what cap space? We cannot reasonably pull that off financially.

[Mattya]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

[gandlogo]

I'm definitely not part of the small ball consternation chorus. The league is dominated by players that dominate the ball, attack from the perimeter, or bomb away from three. Bigs are the equivalent of running backs in the NFL – a commodity that is typically filled by serviceable players; but winning is built around the passing game (and stopping the passing game). The NFL is dominated by QBs and the NBA is dominated by guards and wings. Look how each league drafts – it’s telling. Denying that gets you lumped in with the rest of the flat Earthers in my book. I also think the idea that there are five positions in basketball and each position is filled for 48 minutes per game is complete, unmitigated hogwash. Finishing the tangent, rim protection is less important than controlling guys on the perimeter before they get to the rim.

That said, I have done a 180 on Naz at the “4” or “PF” or whatever makes people comfortable. Full disclosure, with the trade of Ricky, Naz moves up to my favorite player – so I may overvalue him. I think he’s ready for a bigger role than just backing up Towns for 12 minutes per game. I’d like to see him in the 25 minutes per game range. He was at 27 minutes in college, but I’m not sure he’s a 30 minutes per game every game guy. Playing alongside KAT he can be a switchable defender with Towns in the post or on the opposing PF. But he also showed he is okay switching out on some wings. Early last year Naz had to guard Gay because San Antonio went small and Rudy was the “5” for the Spurs – and Naz did fine. He shouldn’t be asked to chase legit SFs full time on the perimeter all day, but he can match up with some. I’m not willing to say that after one Summer League game that a three-headed rotation of Towns, Reid, and Knight (who looked a lot like a left-handed version of Naz) is the answer for the majority of frontcourt minutes, but conceptually that’s where I’d take the team. He's more durable than Lauri, so channel that money his direction. Depending on the opponents and situations, Big JMac, Prince, and Vando (maybe even Juancho) fill in when needed up front.

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Schroder is signing with Celtics..

[Nick K]

It'd be a nice off-season if we can get all of markkanen, hart and Schroder and resign Vanderbilt.

This. This right here is the problem around here.

That’s a pipe dream. It’s probably not even legally possible. But this is a “nice” off-season to you.

And people wonder why they’re disappointed.

WOW. How good is that?

[Krapinsky]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

[TaylorTag]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

We’ll most likely acquire one of those 3 needs you identified through a trade, and we will likely have to offer one of our players you named to make that trade happen, meaning we may need a replacement along the wing

[Mattya]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

1. I feel like a traditional point guard isn’t too important in Finch’s system. He wants players who can initiate fast breaks off the rebound, attack the paint off rotations, hit open shots. Especially when we already have 2 guys who can initiate the pick and roll and KAT.
2. One of our biggest issues is rebounding and that doesn’t always have to coming from a big. So, when I see Harts averages the past 2 years… 2020:6.5 2021:8…per 36 2020:8.7 2021:10.1… that’s very intriguing to me.

[Krapinsky]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

1. I feel like a traditional point guard isn’t too important in Finch’s system. He wants players who can initiate fast breaks off the rebound, attack the paint off rotations, hit open shots. Especially when we already have 2 guys who can initiate the pick and roll and KAT.
2. One of our biggest issues is rebounding and that doesn’t always have to coming from a big. So, when I see Harts averages the past 2 years… 2020:6.5 2021:8…per 36 2020:8.7 2021:10.1… that’s very intriguing to me.

I think a lack of point guard depth is a recipe for disaster for any team that doesn't have a Lebron, Harden, Giannis type. If D-Lo get hurt we'd rip off a 10 game losing streak pretty quick.

[Krapinsky]

I’d take either one of Shroder or Hart. Probably prefer Hart if we can sign him for more than the one year Shroder is apparently aiming for. Even then, if you get Shroder he could help us win some games and potentially be an asset at the deadline for a contender.

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

We’ll most likely acquire one of those 3 needs you identified through a trade, and we will likely have to offer one of our players you named to make that trade happen, meaning we may need a replacement along the wing

By all means, if we are simultaneously trading Prince or Beasley for a PF then fine.

[old school 34]

Do we really need Hart? Aren't we covered with Beasley, Ant, McDaniels, Prince? Not to mention Bolmaro and Okogie for defense. Seems we'd be better off using our limited resources elsewhere.

I think we need a back up PG, a starting PF, and a defensive minded reserve big man.

1. I feel like a traditional point guard isn’t too important in Finch’s system. He wants players who can initiate fast breaks off the rebound, attack the paint off rotations, hit open shots. Especially when we already have 2 guys who can initiate the pick and roll and KAT.
2. One of our biggest issues is rebounding and that doesn’t always have to coming from a big. So, when I see Harts averages the past 2 years… 2020:6.5 2021:8…per 36 2020:8.7 2021:10.1… that’s very intriguing to me.

I think a lack of point guard depth is a recipe for disaster for any team that doesn't have a Lebron, Harden, Giannis type. If D-Lo get hurt we'd rip off a 10 game losing streak pretty quick.

I get your concern...as I prefer always having a more traditional PG type or two on the roster....but Rosas has never spent a ton of money on his backup PG's historically...Rubio maybe the exception if he was truly brought in to be the backup & if so, that didn't go well?

Really think they're preference might be to give Nowell that shot as the primary backup w/ JMac as the backup plan & Wright obviously on the 2-way....they keep saying Nowell is going to have an expanded role (& maybe that's just offseason noise--similar to Vando hype last year)...but until some wings (probably top of that list being Beasley) get traded...backup PG is the only path I see for Nowell carving at that larger role that they speak of? And if Bolmaro signs (which again I lean that they'll wait another year)...he only further complicates who potentially carves out wing minutes.

Worth noting though, my logic also includes that Jaden & Prince still both play 50% of their minutes @ SF...which definitely creates some of that logjam.

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[King Malta]

Maybe just Beasley+late 1st for lauri straight up... Bulls shouldn't be so demanding. Other teams won't fall for their traps.

How do you go from "Prince+Huancho+late 1st for Lauri+Coby white." to "Maybe just Beasley+late 1st for lauri straight up".

Second trade is worse than the first trade, and I'd do neither of them.

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[Note30]

Honestly for a backup PG Isiah Thomas might not be such a bad idea. All of our PGs sucks at defense rn so... Why not get someone who has a ton of heart also.

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[Rookie-Mistake]

I listened to it and I'm honestly scared.

I felt like Dane was very conservative in his line of questions and got caught up in Gerssons spin.

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[King Malta]

I listened to it and I'm honestly scared.

I felt like Dane was very conservative in his line of questions and got caught up in Gerssons spin.

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Dane has undergone a frankly pretty impressive rise from an amateur podcaster to being given the time of day from the Head Coach and General Manager of the team he spends all his time covering in full time capacity, in a one team basketball town/state.

If he goes in there on the front foot and treats the interview like some kind of grilling session then Rosas and Finch will be unlikely to give him this kind of opportunity or access again.