Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Wolveswin]

Of course Morey accepts, but no team is going to offer anything close to that, including MN. They are going to have trouble getting two firsts (protected), much less three. And to get two, the player packages will have to be moderate.

The problem is, for Wolves, their players offered at very meh. And if the only quality youth they have is McDaniels (much more valuable to Wolves than anyone else), 1sts are needed to make up for both of those shortfalls — more so when McDaniels is removed.

No, the problem is, for Philadelphia, no team wants to leverage their future or quality assets in large number for Ben. You are creating a market/demand that doesn't exist.

A) you will be surprised what Ben finally goes for. It won’t be what Morey has floated (and rumored), but more than you are assuming for sure.
B) it isn’t mortgaging the future when the picks come with protections. That is the point.
C) I think Simmons will get more than what Vucevic got in trade from Bulls. He got two top 4 protected 1sts, no swaps, and no real player of worth (depending on ones feelings of WCJ). That is a good real world NBA comp. As I said above, 3 protected 1sts (that become 2nds after 1 year of convey control with latest one (when Towns, Russell or Simmons could be gone) coming with most protections), is needed if no McDaniels.

Also for another real NBA comp, Blazers traded a multi year protected 1st for LNJ. Larry Nance got one 1st with nothing but expiring filler level player. Not sure how some are saying one 1st for Simmons.

[SO_MONEY]

The problem is, for Wolves, their players offered at very meh. And if the only quality youth they have is McDaniels (much more valuable to Wolves than anyone else), 1sts are needed to make up for both of those shortfalls — more so when McDaniels is removed.

No, the problem is, for Philadelphia, no team wants to leverage their future or quality assets in large number for Ben. You are creating a market/demand that doesn't exist.

A) you will be surprised what Ben finally goes for. It won’t be what Morey has floated (and rumored), but more than you are assuming for sure.
B) it isn’t mortgaging the future when the picks come with protections. That is the point.
C) I think Simmons will get more than what Vucevic got in trade from Bulls. He got two top 4 protected 1sts, no swaps, and no real player of worth (depending on ones feelings of WCJ). That is a good real world NBA comp. As I said above, 3 protected 1sts (that become 2nds after 1 year of convey control with latest one (when Towns, Russell or Simmons could be gone) coming with most protections), is needed if no McDaniels.

I think it is you who will be surprised.

No team is giving 3 firsts, no team is giving anything profoundly sexy.

[Wolveswin]

No, the problem is, for Philadelphia, no team wants to leverage their future or quality assets in large number for Ben. You are creating a market/demand that doesn't exist.

A) you will be surprised what Ben finally goes for. It won’t be what Morey has floated (and rumored), but more than you are assuming for sure.
B) it isn’t mortgaging the future when the picks come with protections. That is the point.
C) I think Simmons will get more than what Vucevic got in trade from Bulls. He got two top 4 protected 1sts, no swaps, and no real player of worth (depending on ones feelings of WCJ). That is a good real world NBA comp. As I said above, 3 protected 1sts (that become 2nds after 1 year of convey control with latest one (when Towns, Russell or Simmons could be gone) coming with most protections), is needed if no McDaniels.

I think it is you who will be surprised.

No team is giving 3 firsts, no team is giving anything profoundly sexy.

It all depends on the protections. Not all owed 1sts are created equal. I stand by at worst the same as Vucevic, which was 2x top 4 protected 1sts.

[KGdaBom]

A) you will be surprised what Ben finally goes for. It won’t be what Morey has floated (and rumored), but more than you are assuming for sure.
B) it isn’t mortgaging the future when the picks come with protections. That is the point.
C) I think Simmons will get more than what Vucevic got in trade from Bulls. He got two top 4 protected 1sts, no swaps, and no real player of worth (depending on ones feelings of WCJ). That is a good real world NBA comp. As I said above, 3 protected 1sts (that become 2nds after 1 year of convey control with latest one (when Towns, Russell or Simmons could be gone) coming with most protections), is needed if no McDaniels.

I think it is you who will be surprised.

No team is giving 3 firsts, no team is giving anything profoundly sexy.

It all depends on the protections. Not all owed 1sts are created equal. I stand by at worst the same as Vucevic, which was 2x top 4 protected 1sts.

The players we would send out IMO are obvious. We need to give at least some value and that's McDaniels. Beasley and Prince for salary matching and 2 Lightly protected FRPs.

[SO_MONEY]

I think it is you who will be surprised.

No team is giving 3 firsts, no team is giving anything profoundly sexy.

It all depends on the protections. Not all owed 1sts are created equal. I stand by at worst the same as Vucevic, which was 2x top 4 protected 1sts.

The players we would send out IMO are obvious. We need to give at least some value and that's McDaniels. Beasley and Prince for salary matching and 2 Lightly protected FRPs.

A deal like that is bidding against yourself.

The obvious deal is Beasley, Naz, Prince/Beverly and a 1st, with ways to maneuver into more value, 2nds, a second 1st, swaps, Bolmaro. But I find it hard to see teams offering anything more than that. In fact I don't see any team outside SAS offering more than Beasley, Naz, filler and two 1sts. Which is why you offer that deal with one 1st and see where the Spurs stand because they might not even go that high.

[jpatrick]

It all depends on the protections. Not all owed 1sts are created equal. I stand by at worst the same as Vucevic, which was 2x top 4 protected 1sts.

The players we would send out IMO are obvious. We need to give at least some value and that's McDaniels. Beasley and Prince for salary matching and 2 Lightly protected FRPs.

A deal like that is bidding against yourself.

The obvious deal is Beasley, Naz, Prince/Beverly and a 1st, with ways to maneuver into more value, 2nds, a second 1st, swaps, Bolmaro. But I find it hard to see teams offering anything more than that. In fact I don't see any team outside SAS offering more than Beasley, Naz, filler and two 1sts. Which is why you offer that deal with one 1st and see where the Spurs stand because they might not even go that high.

You have no idea what other offers are out there. Teams deny everything in the media regarding trades until the trade is made.

[SO_MONEY]

The players we would send out IMO are obvious. We need to give at least some value and that's McDaniels. Beasley and Prince for salary matching and 2 Lightly protected FRPs.

A deal like that is bidding against yourself.

The obvious deal is Beasley, Naz, Prince/Beverly and a 1st, with ways to maneuver into more value, 2nds, a second 1st, swaps, Bolmaro. But I find it hard to see teams offering anything more than that. In fact I don't see any team outside SAS offering more than Beasley, Naz, filler and two 1sts. Which is why you offer that deal with one 1st and see where the Spurs stand because they might not even go that high.

You have no idea what other offers are out there. Teams deny everything in the media regarding trades until the trade is made.

Do you? No.

Did I say I did? No.

Did I say how I see things? Yes.

If you feel the need to inject the obvious, I question why, because it is self evident. So if you feel I am wrong, tell me why, what team wants Simmons, what will they give up and what would we need to offer to beat it. Otherwise I am as free as anyone to offer my opinion and I expect posters ought to refrain from criticizing others for merely doing that.

But maybe you want me to chime in every time you offer your opinion with telling you that is your opinion and you don't know for sure? Is that how you want to be treated? No? You don't say.

I don't mean to rag on you, but c'mon...

[jpatrick]

Geez. Defensive. There is no way to know. Reporting is sparse. MY OPINION is that your deal is way light. If you threw that up even to a group of neutral fans you’d simply get ridiculed I believe. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. We’ll only know his value when a deal is made (supply and demand and all).

I listen to enough podcasts and the National media guys, even the ones that think Simmons is overrated, think it’ll take more than that. Many of them flat out laugh when the Wolves pursuit of Simmons without even giving up DLo comes up.

I think they’re wrong about that. I think we can get him without DLo. If I’m predicting a Wolves deal for Simmons if one happens before the season, it’d be Beasley, Bev, McDaniels, and 2 lightly (top 2-3 protected) picks.

If we’re able to hold McDaniels out (unlikely), I see three picks and possibly Bolmaro.

[SO_MONEY]

Geez. Defensive. There is no way to know. Reporting is sparse. MY OPINION is that your deal is way light. If you threw that up even to a group of neutral fans you’d simply get ridiculed I believe. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. We’ll only know his value when a deal is made (supply and demand and all).

I listen to enough podcasts and the National media guys, even the ones that think Simmons is overrated, think it’ll take more than that. Many of them flat out laugh when the Wolves pursuit of Simmons without even giving up DLo comes up.

I think they’re wrong about that. I think we can get him without DLo. If I’m predicting a Wolves deal for Simmons if one happens before the season, it’d be Beasley, Bev, McDaniels, and 2 lightly (top 2-3 protected) picks.

If we’re able to hold McDaniels out (unlikely), I see three picks and possibly Bolmaro.

First couple things:

1) I wasn't defensive. I was pointing out your post was unnecessary. By calling me defensive after being called out on that, which one of us is defensive? Just saying... My point is, there was no point to your post. Take it for what it is. I am resolute in my position.

2) I don't care what pundits say. It is their job to talk, often without direct insight.

Now to the brass tacks. I asked some questions, you didn't answer them, but if you had I might know how you view the market.

In order for offers to escalate to the point you need at least two GMs bidding, assuming Rosas is one, who is the other? If you can come up with that team or teams and speculate what you think they are offering and what we need to beat we can have a more fruitful discussion.

I don't see a ton of interest in Ben, because he is problematic. I don't think many teams would give up a ton for him given the risks. This seems to be the reality and nothing is indicating otherwise.

Many, many posters on here have voiced concerns about Ben, it is entirely possible they are the prevailing thought around the NBA as it was with HOU.

You might like Ben, but you might also overlook the problems and that would give an inaccurate picture of his value. I like Simmons, but I am not ignoring the issues that come with him. I think he gets positive value, but nowhere near some of these offers on here.

Meaning to propose one, you are bidding against yourself...if not demonstrating a higher offer.

[shrink]

I listen to enough podcasts and the National media guys, even the ones that think Simmons is overrated, think it’ll take more than that. Many of them flat out laugh when the Wolves pursuit of Simmons without even giving up DLo comes up.

I think that’s true, but we are talking about two things in a successful trade - what price a seller will accept, and what price a buyer will pay. We are talking about two prices.

Do I think it would take six unprotected picks and swaps before Morey would agree to a trade? Maybe. The Sixers want to compete for a title, and Simmons needs to be replaced with talent for that to happen. Morey also is considered a GM who is willing to let a situation become uncomfortable if the deal he wants isn’t offered.

HOWEVER - that does not mean Simmons is WORTH six picks and swaps, or that MIN .. or any team .. would pay that. Making that offer would be a bad move for MIN, even if that is what would be required to complete the trade. Morey’s asking price, whatever it is, seems to be far above what Simmons is worth. Offering too much so that you can successfully complete a BAD trade is a Pyrrhic victory.

[kuclas]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

The reason Didn’t want Simmons is he’s frustratingly good in the regular season. Houston wanted to rebuild. Simmons would have gotten Houston to the 9-11 seed level. It’s the simple truth.

Say what you want to say about Simmons mental issues in the playoffs. But a Simmons level team with mainly road games went 7-3 without Embiid when he had the knee bone bruise.

Houston didn’t want to win any games. It’s fairly obvious they were tanking. They didn’t want Simmons playing any games to add to the win total. Same reason okc sat both horford and SGA down the rest of the season. Then didn’t want to win games.

Why the league allows OkC to sit Horford the rest of the season when healthy makes no sense. If Houston would have sat a healthy Simmons the rest of the season. It would have caused chaos. Maybe they give okc a pass being a smaller market and letting Sam presti tank. I don’t know.

Of course Harden prefer destination was always the Nets. And the nets core players are older. So the potential for unprotected picks and swaps is greater in 2024/2025 etc.

So lots of factors into why Houston made the trade. But they obviously didn’t want a player who could contribute to wins immediately. And that was why they didn’t want Simmons.

[jpatrick]

Geez. Defensive. There is no way to know. Reporting is sparse. MY OPINION is that your deal is way light. If you threw that up even to a group of neutral fans you’d simply get ridiculed I believe. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. We’ll only know his value when a deal is made (supply and demand and all).

I listen to enough podcasts and the National media guys, even the ones that think Simmons is overrated, think it’ll take more than that. Many of them flat out laugh when the Wolves pursuit of Simmons without even giving up DLo comes up.

I think they’re wrong about that. I think we can get him without DLo. If I’m predicting a Wolves deal for Simmons if one happens before the season, it’d be Beasley, Bev, McDaniels, and 2 lightly (top 2-3 protected) picks.

If we’re able to hold McDaniels out (unlikely), I see three picks and possibly Bolmaro.

First couple things:

1) I wasn't defensive. I was pointing out your post was unnecessary. By calling me defensive after being called out on that, which one of us is defensive? Just saying... My point is, there was no point to your post. Take it for what it is. I am resolute in my position.

2) I don't care what pundits say. It is their job to talk, often without direct insight.

Now to the brass tacks. I asked some questions, you didn't answer them, but if you had I might know how you view the market.

In order for offers to escalate to the point you need at least two GMs bidding, assuming Rosas is one, who is the other? If you can come up with that team or teams and speculate what you think they are offering and what we need to beat we can have a more fruitful discussion.

I don't see a ton of interest in Ben, because he is problematic. I don't think many teams would give up a ton for him given the risks. This seems to be the reality and nothing is indicating otherwise.

Many, many posters on here have voiced concerns about Ben, it is entirely possible they are the prevailing thought around the NBA as it was with HOU.

You might like Ben, but you might also overlook the problems and that would give an inaccurate picture of his value. I like Simmons, but I am not ignoring the issues that come with him. I think he gets positive value, but nowhere near some of these offers on here.

Meaning to propose one, you are bidding against yourself...if not demonstrating a higher offer.

I think the Kings, Spurs, Warriors, and maybe Raptors have standing offers. Those teams will deny until a trade is made. I have no idea what those offers are but they are not what Morey wants. Everyone knows a teams “best” offer doesn’t come until push comes to shove, here, I think that’s training camp (why so many trades happen on deadline day). I think Morey hasn’t let it get that far because he’s holding out as long as possible before asking for final offers, hoping a star becomes available.

I would not give up six unprotected picks swaps. But if we’re not even moving DLo or McDaniels, I have no problem with three lightly protected picks (top 2-3 protection) and even someone like Bolmaro (who after watching about 10 full games I’m really down on).

[shrink]

Sixers fan come with peace.

Would you do a Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 3 firsts (all top3 protected), 3 swaps for Simmons?

Or how many picks and swaps would you give?
It seems you are very interested in Simmons.

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

The reason Didn’t want Simmons is he’s frustratingly good in the regular season. Houston wanted to rebuild. Simmons would have gotten Houston to the 9-11 seed level. It’s the simple truth.

Say what you want to say about Simmons mental issues in the playoffs. But a Simmons level team with mainly road games went 7-3 without Embiid when he had the knee bone bruise.

Houston didn’t want to win any games. It’s fairly obvious they were tanking. They didn’t want Simmons playing any games to add to the win total. Same reason okc sat both horford and SGA down the rest of the season. Then didn’t want to win games.

Why the league allows OkC to sit Horford the rest of the season when healthy makes no sense. If Houston would have sat a healthy Simmons the rest of the season. It would have caused chaos. Maybe they give okc a pass being a smaller market and letting Sam presti tank. I don’t know.

Of course Harden prefer destination was always the Nets. And the nets core players are older. So the potential for unprotected picks and swaps is greater in 2024/2025 etc.

So lots of factors into why Houston made the trade. But they obviously didn’t want a player who could contribute to wins immediately. And that was why they didn’t want Simmons.

I’ve read your posts on the Trade Board, and I will trust the credibility of the Texan national reporters, who actually talked with the Rockets front office, on this issue.

Regarding credibility, you posted the following yesterday. I particularly groaned at “Maxie is worth at least a mid-first himself,” but McDaniels is just a “role player,” and McDaniels, Beasley and 5 pick/upgrades, “don’t help the Sixers in any way.” Embarrassing.

To Cavs: Beverley + 2x Wolves 2nds

To 76ers: McDaniels + Rubio + Beasley + 2x Wolves 1sts + 3x Wolves 1st Swaps

To Wolves: Simmons + Maxey + Joe

76ers::
Embiid
Harris
Green | McDaniels
Beasley | Thybulle
Rubio | Curry

Wolves::
Towns
Simmons
Prince | Edwards
Edwards | Okogie
Russell | Maxey

Swaps mean nothing with Minnesota core players under contract for a long time and young

Maxey is worth at least mid first himself.

So essentially trading old Rubio who can’t shoot Beasley who is one criminal charge from being kicked out of the league and role player McDaniel who Sixers don’t need plus a first round

These trades do not help Sixers in any way. They don’t help Sixers for this upcoming season. They don’t help Sixers in the future.

[SO_MONEY]

Geez. Defensive. There is no way to know. Reporting is sparse. MY OPINION is that your deal is way light. If you threw that up even to a group of neutral fans you’d simply get ridiculed I believe. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. We’ll only know his value when a deal is made (supply and demand and all).

I listen to enough podcasts and the National media guys, even the ones that think Simmons is overrated, think it’ll take more than that. Many of them flat out laugh when the Wolves pursuit of Simmons without even giving up DLo comes up.

I think they’re wrong about that. I think we can get him without DLo. If I’m predicting a Wolves deal for Simmons if one happens before the season, it’d be Beasley, Bev, McDaniels, and 2 lightly (top 2-3 protected) picks.

If we’re able to hold McDaniels out (unlikely), I see three picks and possibly Bolmaro.

First couple things:

1) I wasn't defensive. I was pointing out your post was unnecessary. By calling me defensive after being called out on that, which one of us is defensive? Just saying... My point is, there was no point to your post. Take it for what it is. I am resolute in my position.

2) I don't care what pundits say. It is their job to talk, often without direct insight.

Now to the brass tacks. I asked some questions, you didn't answer them, but if you had I might know how you view the market.

In order for offers to escalate to the point you need at least two GMs bidding, assuming Rosas is one, who is the other? If you can come up with that team or teams and speculate what you think they are offering and what we need to beat we can have a more fruitful discussion.

I don't see a ton of interest in Ben, because he is problematic. I don't think many teams would give up a ton for him given the risks. This seems to be the reality and nothing is indicating otherwise.

Many, many posters on here have voiced concerns about Ben, it is entirely possible they are the prevailing thought around the NBA as it was with HOU.

You might like Ben, but you might also overlook the problems and that would give an inaccurate picture of his value. I like Simmons, but I am not ignoring the issues that come with him. I think he gets positive value, but nowhere near some of these offers on here.

Meaning to propose one, you are bidding against yourself...if not demonstrating a higher offer.

I think the Kings, Spurs, Warriors, and maybe Raptors have standing offers. Those teams will deny until a trade is made. I have no idea what those offers are but they are not what Morey wants. Everyone knows a teams “best” offer doesn’t come until push comes to shove, here, I think that’s training camp (why so many trades happen on deadline day). I think Morey hasn’t let it get that far because he’s holding out as long as possible before asking for final offers, hoping a star becomes available.

I would not give up six unprotected picks swaps. But if we’re not even moving DLo or McDaniels, I have no problem with three lightly protected picks (top 2-3 protection) and even someone like Bolmaro (who after watching about 10 full games I’m really down on).

And I don't think a single team would offer 3 firsts, not one assuming they offer any player of value. I also think an offer of Beasley, Naz and a productive veteran expiring would be hard for most teams to beat before picks. That is the basis to gauge the competitiveness of any offer. Find a team that can AND would beat that player package, then get into picks. I believe you start with one 1st and if needed use another or Bolmaro or both, but I see both as unlikely... though you never know. But I don't see the absence of DLo or McDaniels as an impediment.

[kuclas]

Way way too much. I doubt Simmons was worth this at the peak of his value, but i stead of listening to Morey’s dreams, let’s look at what’s happening in real life.

This price is a package for top 5 player, and teams line up to pay it. However, the news is that there are very few teams still interested in Simmons. Last year, Morey offered Simmons, Thybulle, and two 1sts for Harden, and HOU still didn’t want to build around Simmons. Simmons value has declined since then. Most teams wouldn’t trade their best or even second best player for the guy, including bad teams like MIN and SAC.

To get lots of responses, scroll back to Page 30 (Friday), when a Sixers fan posted something similar.

The reason Didn’t want Simmons is he’s frustratingly good in the regular season. Houston wanted to rebuild. Simmons would have gotten Houston to the 9-11 seed level. It’s the simple truth.

Say what you want to say about Simmons mental issues in the playoffs. But a Simmons level team with mainly road games went 7-3 without Embiid when he had the knee bone bruise.

Houston didn’t want to win any games. It’s fairly obvious they were tanking. They didn’t want Simmons playing any games to add to the win total. Same reason okc sat both horford and SGA down the rest of the season. Then didn’t want to win games.

Why the league allows OkC to sit Horford the rest of the season when healthy makes no sense. If Houston would have sat a healthy Simmons the rest of the season. It would have caused chaos. Maybe they give okc a pass being a smaller market and letting Sam presti tank. I don’t know.

Of course Harden prefer destination was always the Nets. And the nets core players are older. So the potential for unprotected picks and swaps is greater in 2024/2025 etc.

So lots of factors into why Houston made the trade. But they obviously didn’t want a player who could contribute to wins immediately. And that was why they didn’t want Simmons.

I’ve read your posts on the Trade Board, and I will trust the credibility of the HOU beat reporter on this one.

There isn’t much difference what I have stated than the Houston beat reporter said Houston didn’t even want levert or Simmons.

They simply didn’t want any players who could contribute to wins

So they prefer future draft picks over anything else.

And that’s the issue with the Simmons trade. Sixers don’t prefer future draft picks.

Please tell me how mcdaniels helps Sixers. Unless he is elite ball handler who can break down a defense. He won’t crack the rotation.

That’s the Sixers need. An iso elite ball handler McDaniel is not that. He played a ton minutes on Timberwolves team the last two months. Didn’t show much.

[younggunsmn]

This is a legit point. We are high on McDaniels but he clearly has much more value to us than the Sixers.
He would be stuck behind Danny Green and Thybuille in the rotation.
Thybuille duplicates much of what McDaniels would bring.
This is the kind of feed back we should value from outside posters, thank you.

What can we give the Sixers that would help them be better in the short term, or at least not see a significant dropoff after losing SImmons? If we can help them in both the short and long term, we can beat what other teams are offering.
Morey's primary objective is to win while Embiid is still in his prime, and what we are offering doesnt really help that window without bringing in a 3rd team.

First, lets look at the Sixers rotation without Simmons:
Guard/Wing:
Curry, Green, Thybuille, Korkmaz, Maxey, Milton
Overall a pretty weak group that could use a big talent boost.
Keep in mind whomever we are sending needs to beat out those players for minutes,
or we are essentially just sending them dead money.

Forward:
Tobias Harris, Paul Reed
Center:
Embiid, Drummond

Lets look at the non-draft pick value our competitors would be willing to offer:
CJ McCollum
Hield/Bagley/Barnes
Wiggins/Wiseman/Kuminga/Moody
Siakam or Dragic+Gary Trent Jr
Some combo of Dejounte Murry/Derrick White/McDermott/Thaddeus Young/Aminu/Poeltl

Beverly/Beasley/prince/mcDaniels is pretty meh, and we arent winning any bidding wars unless we win on the draft pick compensation, which is a frightening thought.
You know what we can offer that those teams won't? A ballhandler like Dangelo Russell.
He does check some boxes for what Morey is looking for, and he does immediately upgrade their guard group.
Are his defensive limitations well known? yes. But he is someone Morey could sell to the fanbase and to Embiid.

Rosas hasnt put him out there yet. Is he not willing to trade him or holding him back as a card to play later to get a deal over the finish line? He prefers to add Simmons to our core and create a big 4, but is it better for us short and long term to keep Beverly/Beasley/Prince/McDaniels and not mortgage the future with draft picks and be saddled with 3 max contracts?

Beasley is interesting for me as a trade piece, because on paper he is on a value contract, and his shooting would be perfect to put around Embiid, but in reality Morey may prefer future cap space. So I am uncertain who Morey would prefer as filler between Beasley and Prince, my suspicion is Prince.

So here are my scenarios:
BeverlyPrince/2022 1st unprotected/2024 1st top 5 (for 3 years then reverts to 2nds)
or:
Russell/2022 top 5 protected 1st

If we trade him for Russell straight up I think it dramatically improves our team in the short term and outside of player friendship issues makes the most sense.
Keeping beverly and beasley plus adding Ben who can function as a Point Forward allows us a ton of lineup flexibility.
We can hide Ant on most 4's while SImmons/Beverly/McDaniels lock down the wings. Perhaps that's one reason Finch has been working with Ant so much on rebounding.

SImmons/Beverly

Ant/Beasley/McDaniels/Prince

Kat/Naz

[theGreatRC]

I think a trade gets announced on the 10th, with Beasley, Prince + 3 1sts being the deal.

[FinnTheHuman]

The reason Didn’t want Simmons is he’s frustratingly good in the regular season. Houston wanted to rebuild. Simmons would have gotten Houston to the 9-11 seed level. It’s the simple truth.

Say what you want to say about Simmons mental issues in the playoffs. But a Simmons level team with mainly road games went 7-3 without Embiid when he had the knee bone bruise.

Houston didn’t want to win any games. It’s fairly obvious they were tanking. They didn’t want Simmons playing any games to add to the win total. Same reason okc sat both horford and SGA down the rest of the season. Then didn’t want to win games.

Why the league allows OkC to sit Horford the rest of the season when healthy makes no sense. If Houston would have sat a healthy Simmons the rest of the season. It would have caused chaos. Maybe they give okc a pass being a smaller market and letting Sam presti tank. I don’t know.

Of course Harden prefer destination was always the Nets. And the nets core players are older. So the potential for unprotected picks and swaps is greater in 2024/2025 etc.

So lots of factors into why Houston made the trade. But they obviously didn’t want a player who could contribute to wins immediately. And that was why they didn’t want Simmons.

I’ve read your posts on the Trade Board, and I will trust the credibility of the HOU beat reporter on this one.

There isn’t much difference what I have stated than the Houston beat reporter said Houston didn’t even want levert or Simmons.

They simply didn’t want any players who could contribute to wins

So they prefer future draft picks over anything else.

And that’s the issue with the Simmons trade. Sixers don’t prefer future draft picks.

Please tell me how mcdaniels helps Sixers. Unless he is elite ball handler who can break down a defense. He won’t crack the rotation.

That’s the Sixers need. An iso elite ball handler McDaniel is not that. He played a ton minutes on Timberwolves team the last two months. Didn’t show much.

You're making a lot of weak assumptions.

1. McDaniels showed much to those who are not looking at box scores but actually watch the games. He'd absolutely make the 6ers rotation because of his defense and spot up 3pt shooting.

2. You keep assuming that Houston didn't want Simmons because he would win them a lot of games, but have you thought about the idea that they didn't want a) a guy who has obvious issues in his game and therefor might put a too low ceiling on the whole team in the future b) a guy with questionable work ethic and character c) doesn't fit the timeline as Houston just started the rebuild d) just isn't as good as the Nets offer talent-wise if you consider how many picks Houston got back? Etc. If one would want to theorycraft to make Simmons look even worse, he could think about why the Rockets grabbed Oladipo and offered him an extension at some point afterwards while they passed up on Simmons.

3. Draft picks can be traded, so they absolutely mean a lot to Philly even for this season. When a couple of teams fall apart and drop out of playoff contention, they'll be gladly accepting those picks in a trade for their win-now players at the trade deadline. They won't be fans of trading for Simmons when they go for a rebuild, especially if he's boycotting the 6ers throughout this season.

4. Simmons doesn't net you back an elite iso ball handler, he's a malcontent top 40 player, while the elite iso ball handlers like Lillard or Kyrie are top 20 players, so that's just not happening. You're just delusional if you think otherwise.


We want Simmons because we're missing exactly such a player, a low-usage impact guy who can defend PF's. There's no other team in the league with this type of issue and need. Wolves' roster flaw is Philly's only saving grace in this awful situation that they are in with Simmons refusing to play. We're gonna offer a fair deal for a top 40 player, but he's not getting you guys back a superstar haul, he's simply not a superstar.

So if you're not fine with getting a top 80 player on a great value contract in Beasley plus McDaniels who has a lot of potential and is already a solid player, plus one of Beverley/Prince who are both solid rotation players, and a couple of top 6-8 protected 1st's, then the deal won't happen. Maybe we'll send a 3rd 1st rounder instead of McDaniels if Rosas can negotiate that, but this is pretty much the deal, there's no way Rosas wants to offer more, it wouldn't be rational.

Or the alternative of sending DLo + a 1st rounder, because DLo makes sense as an iso ball handler, although not elite. I'd be down to do that deal rather than the 1st one, but Wolves fans here are not as much into that idea as I am. Somehow people here became very high on him while underrating Beasley who's on a super value contract, at least from my perspective.

[minimus]

One downside of waiting for Simmons, is that we put on hold any other activities such as trades, FA/RFA signings. Rosas gamble and if he fails, he fails hard, unless he has a contingency plan.

[Klomp]

With new ownership on the way, do people believe Rosas has permission to trade away multiple future 1sts and pick swaps, and damage the Wolves future drafts for the next six years?

C’mon. It’s called REAL gm.

Everything I've seen, heard and read indicates to me, that Lore is more aggressive than passive with his assets.