Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Nick K]

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No surprise

For most of last year I would have moved Ricky for a ham sandwich. Then the final 15 games he played as good as he could and was a great fit here. Shot the ball very well etc.

Later I read an interview where he said he was out of shape, very unhappy with the direction of the team under Ryan who he loved. He hated the covid protocols feeling no love from fans and didn't want to be here. Then Finch took over and everything changed.

I'd like to keep him one more year to run the 2nd group and fit in with the starters as needed. Ant loves him. And he's a great veteran presence. I hope they don't move him unless it's for a key starting PF.

Another post that is spot on.


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[King Malta]

Taking into account all factors I agree that Nance would be the best possible result for us at the 4.

[Dewey]

Keep Rubio unless it’s a bargain deal … PG’s are hard to come by and I don’t trust DLo durability nor do I like his lack of leadership at the position

[Dewey]

Taking into account all factors I agree that Nance would be the best possible result for us at the 4.

I’d be happy to give him some run

[SO_MONEY]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Protected pick...pass.

[moss_is_1]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Protected pick...pass.

Agreed. I'm tired of us being in the lottery and having no picks because we trade them away.

[IceManBK1]

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Who does Lakers want from us? Rubio? If we turned it down then we're saving Rubio for a bigger trade right?

[jpatrick]

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Who does Lakers want from us? Rubio? If we turned it down then we're saving Rubio for a bigger trade right?

I think Kuzma is awful. He’s a bench scorer that does nothing else to help with winning. At best he has neutral value on that contract. At best.

[shrink]

Rosas said we want

Pick and roll defense
Rim protection
Rebounding

So most of the guys that are mentioned don’t fit those criteria. Last summer, when we didn’t care about those things, a larger SF that could shoot three’s was his whole focus. I am not surprised people have approached us with guys like Kuzma, or Gallo, or even Nance. They could be an improvement on what we have (assuming we’d focus more on developing McDaniels at SF). But these aren’t good fits and aren’t starting caliber players. If we are going to give out future picks, I would want it to be for a player who is a legit starter, and meets these team needs.

[Dewey]

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Who does Lakers want from us? Rubio? If we turned it down then we're saving Rubio for a bigger trade right?

I think Kuzma is awful. He’s a bench scorer that does nothing else to help with winning. At best he has neutral value on that contract. At best.

I’m not a fan… Lakers have never liked him that much And have seemed awfully quick to put him on the market more than once

[Dewey]

Rosas said we want

Pick and roll defense
Rim protection
Rebounding

So most of the guys that are mentioned don’t fit those criteria. Last summer, when we didn’t care about those things, a larger SF that could shoot three’s was his whole focus. I am not surprised people have approached us with guys like Kuzma, or Gallo, or even Nance. They could be an improvement on what we have (assuming we’d focus more on developing McDaniels at SF). But these aren’t good fits and aren’t starting caliber players. If we are going to give out future picks, I would want it to be for a player who is a legit starter, and meets these team needs.

[Klomp]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Nance is one of those names that most fans would probably be underwhelmed by, but might be the type of players who would have the greatest impact on the team as a whole.

[wolves_89]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Nance is one of those names that most fans would probably be underwhelmed by, but might be the type of players who would have the greatest impact on the team as a whole.

Just based on his skill set, I would bet that Nance would make the Wolves a significantly better team. I'm not sure the Wolves could find a guy who could make a bigger impact outside of the high end talent (Collins or Simmons). Since his trade cost and contract are reasonable, I hope that Rosas is making a play for him.

[Neeva]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Nance is one of those names that most fans would probably be underwhelmed by, but might be the type of players who would have the greatest impact on the team as a whole.

Oh really what great impact has he had on Cleveland? Underwhelming stats and barely played because he is made of glass and always injured.

[Klomp]

If Nance is on the market I'd put him at the top of the realistic trade options. His defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting would be a great fit. If the Wolves could get him for some combination of expiring contracts (a couple of Juancho, Culver, and Layman) plus a protected pick I'd be ecstatic.

Nance is one of those names that most fans would probably be underwhelmed by, but might be the type of players who would have the greatest impact on the team as a whole.

Oh really what great impact has he had on Cleveland? Underwhelming stats and barely played because he is made of glass and always injured.

My point exactly. People like you just look at volume stats and immediately write him off.

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[shrink]

I know he has been elevated around here for two years, but I’m still undecided on Nance. Maybe someone can get me on board?

1. How does he rank in Rosas three core areas? (Defend PnR, Protect the rim, Rebound)

2. I worry he’s only 6-8. This seems like more of a “last year” kind of SF/PF Rosas used to want as a PF.

3. He’s also only a 33% career 3P%.

Contract looks good, injuries not so much.

I’m open to be convinced, because I admit - I don’t know. Who’s got a good breakdown for me, either pro or con?

[shrink]

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Yes!

I have been saying this since the playoffs, to arrogant Sixers fans that keep saying that they can just hold on to Ben Simmons if they don’t get elite value. Really? Simmons only has value if he can (finally) fix his shot, and fix his confidence. Does anyone think that’s going to happen next to Doc and Embiid now? Klutch has already come in and talked to their front office. They can’t hold onto him and wait - his value could likely get worse if he stays there.

The other point is that he’s done this in several playoff series - not just a few bad games lately. His career playoff FT% is 52%. Shaq’s was 50%, and in the playoffs, we saw lots of Hack-a-Shaq. This problem is getting worse (34.2% this year!), and any team that wants to do well in the playoffs has to sit his $35 mil salary on the bench on crunch time.

[_AIJ_]

If we dont land Simmons, i sure hope we get Myles Turner

[wolves_89]

I know he has been elevated around here for two years, but I’m still undecided on Nance. Maybe someone can get me on board?

1. How does he rank in Rosas three core areas? (Defend PnR, Protect the rim, Rebound)

2. I worry he’s only 6-8. This seems like more of a “last year” kind of SF/PF Rosas used to want as a PF.

3. He’s also only a 33% career 3P%.

Contract looks good, injuries not so much.

I’m open to be convinced, because I admit - I don’t know. Who’s got a good breakdown for me, either pro or con?

From what I've seen, Nance is a plus defender who can switch onto multiple positions. He provides decent rim defense and is an above average rebounder for a PF. He doesn't have great height, but at 245lbs with a 7'1" wingspan he has no problem defending traditional PFs and has spent some time at C. His 3pt career shooting percentage doesn't stand out, but he has shot 35% and 36% the last two seasons. Basically, he is a role player who fits the Wolves needs really well.

The main concern would be with his health and staying on the floor, but that may be the reason he could be obtained at a pretty reasonable trade cost.