Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[moonpie]

From Reddit:

[Jon Krawczynski] The Timberwolves are in a stronger position to land Ben Simmons today than they were a few weeks ago.
On his podcast he talked about Ben Simmons and other moves that the Timberwolves have to make before the season starts.

Simmons has made it clear that he doesn't want to report to training camp. He has made this clear to the 76ers a long time ago but their reluctance to get a deal done has made him go public with that knowledge.

There is frustration in Simmons's camp regarding the lack of progress with his trade demands and they are trying to make it clear to the 76ers that he doesn't even want to entertain the possibility of starting the season with the 76ers like Butler or Harden did.

Jon believes he will still be on the roster when training camp begins but that he will be traded before the season starts. He believes the Timberwolves are the most likely team for him to get traded too but maybe Toronto as well. It depends on the asking price but he likes the Wolves odds of landing Simmons. But the Timberwolves are very happy that he has begun to apply pressure on the 76ers FO to get him traded.

He believes that the Timberwolves are the team that wants Ben Simmons the most in the NBA but also that the market for Simmons is very dry and that there isn't a bidding war for Simmons that Morey hoped there would be.

The 76ers would accept Anthony Edwards or KAT straight up for Simmons but those 2 are very much untouchable and the KAT-Embiid relationship is also one factor for that not happening.

The main packages that exist are a D'lo package that the 76ers are lukewarm on or a Jaden McDaniels,Malik Beasley + filler + picks although Gersson Rosas is reluctant to move D'lo. He believes the 2nd offer is a lot more enticing because those picks could be used later down the line to trade for Dame or Beal, since GM's saw this year how valuable unprotected Minnesota picks are.

He doesn't believe Dame will get traded unless the Blazers start the season horribly and he asks out like Harden did last year. But that won't be happen until some time after the season starts (if that scenario happens).

Ultimately a trade depends on how much Embiid pushes for Simmons to be finally traded or how much Simmons shakes the boat.

[Wolveswin]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Wolves would probably need to move Beasley in the offseason then. Just too much salary for 5 players.

Maybe. Maybe not. Beasley is on value deal. Russell will not (and should not) be on max for his next deal. Edwards has got 1 year rookie deal after Russell expires off current deal.

Towns (max)
Simmons (max)
Edwards (rookie deal)
Beasley (value deal)
Russell (new stay with his buddies deal in 2022/23 time frame)

The money crunch won’t come until Towns needs the full max and Edwards his first rookie max — if Russell takes a sweetheart of a deal, Wolves should be fine by then.

[Wolveswin]

To Thunder: McDaniels + Wolves 2nd

To 76ers: Beasley + Beverley (or Prince) + K. Williams + 2025 Philly 1st (returned from OKC) + Another Owed OKC 1st??? + 2022 Wolves 1st (limited protections) + 2024 1st (top 10 protected)

To Wolves: Simmons + 76ers Filler

Concept would be Thunder return 76ers owed 1st — opening up all of 76ers future 1st, plus gaining a useable player not as raw as McDaniels, plus maybe even more draft capital.

This would fully set up 76ers to trade: expiring filler + Youth + any/all own 1sts + owed 1sts for Dame or Beal or ? vet they really want.

[Krapinsky]

Beasley, Prince, 2022 1st rd (top-4 protected), and 2022 2nd rd (highest of Wolves picks). That's it. I wouldn't pay a cent more.

lmao then you ain't getting Simmons.

That's an insulting offer.

Simmons is as polarizing a player as they come. Unsurprisingly, his perceived trade value from posters on this board is wide-ranging. I am probably one of the biggest proponents of a Simmons trade and I tend to agree with some of the Wolves' beat writers that a trade package would include either (1) Beasley, and McDaniels, plus picks, or (2) D-Lo plus picks. I think either package has pluses or minuses for both teams, depending on how you look at it. I for one would much rather trade D-Lo, who I see as a much more flawed player than Simmons.

[jpatrick]

Those Jon K takes sure sound like he has a source deep in the Wolves front office. Maybe Rosas.

DLo, Beasley, plus maybe one first. Or

McDaniels, Beasley, Beverly, and multiple firsts.

The second package the one more likely to be accepted is how I read that article.

[Krapinsky]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Wolves would probably need to move Beasley in the offseason then. Just too much salary for 5 players.

Maybe. Maybe not. Beasley is on value deal. Russell will not (and should not) be on max for his next deal. Edwards has got 1 year rookie deal after Russell expires off current deal.

Towns (max)
Simmons (max)
Edwards (rookie deal)
Beasley (value deal)
Russell (new stay with his buddies deal in 2022/23 time frame)

The money crunch won’t come until Towns needs the full max and Edwards his first rookie max — if Russell takes a sweetheart of a deal, Wolves should be fine by then.

I'm too lazy to crunch the numbers for you for a more precise answer, but back of the napkin math suggests that those 5 players would be owed more than $125M for next season (22-23). The projected cap next year is $119M and luxury tax is $145M. So we'd be $6M over the cap with 5 player and have 10 roster spots to fill with the remaining $20M under the lux.

[KGdaBom]

Beasley, Prince, 2022 1st rd (top-4 protected), and 2022 2nd rd (highest of Wolves picks). That's it. I wouldn't pay a cent more.

Since you know that would never be accepted I'm curious why you bother posting it?

[KGdaBom]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

[KGdaBom]

Beasley, Prince, 2022 1st rd (top-4 protected), and 2022 2nd rd (highest of Wolves picks). That's it. I wouldn't pay a cent more.

lmao then you ain't getting Simmons.

That's an insulting offer.

Yeah and I think people posting that kind of stuff are just showing off.

[Krapinsky]

The trade restriction on Dragic is lifted on 9/14. I would think that if the Raptors include either Barnes or Onunoby in trade offer, that such offer would easily trump anything the Wolves would put togther.

Siakam, Trent, and Vanvleet are all nice fits next to Simmons.

[jpatrick]

Listening to the Jon K podcast now. When discussing the pick heavy package we’re offering (vs the DLo package), he said McDaniels, Beasley, filler and “some number of unprotected first round picks.”

So he believes the offer includes McDaniels and multiple, unprotected picks. We’ll see if he’s right but the way he says it, sure sounds like this is a standing offer we have out there and his info is coming from inside the Wolves FO (the second part is just my impression).

[gandlogo]

Beasley, Prince, 2022 1st rd (top-4 protected), and 2022 2nd rd (highest of Wolves picks). That's it. I wouldn't pay a cent more.

Since you know that would never be accepted I'm curious why you bother posting it?

1. I never said it would never be accepted.
2. I won’t even bother noting the irony of you being the self-appointed arbiter of what is worthy of posting. I’m very judicious about what I post - and ultimately what I also do not post - which is reflected in my low number of posts. Quality over quantity.
3. If you disagree with my valuation/opinion, that’s fine. Kind of the point of boards like this. But don’t question my motives.

[KGdaBom]

Beasley, Prince, 2022 1st rd (top-4 protected), and 2022 2nd rd (highest of Wolves picks). That's it. I wouldn't pay a cent more.

Since you know that would never be accepted I'm curious why you bother posting it?

1. I never said it would never be accepted.
2. I won’t even bother noting the irony of you being the self-appointed arbiter of what is worthy of posting. I’m very judicious about what I post - and ultimately what I also do not post - which is reflected in my low number of posts. Quality over quantity.
3. If you disagree with my valuation/opinion, that’s fine. Kind of the point of boards like this. But don’t question my motives.

When you say that's it and not a cent more it comes off as you bragging about how little you would offer. I think you know it would never be accepted whether you said it or not. That's why I wonder why bother posting it? I guess if the 76ers end up accepting the exact offer you stated it will prove that you are smart. Neither a low or high number of posts are indicators of quality of said posts.

[KGdaBom]

Listening to the Jon K podcast now. When discussing the pick heavy package we’re offering (vs the DLo package), he said McDaniels, Beasley, filler and “some number of unprotected first round picks.”

So he believes the offer includes McDaniels and multiple, unprotected picks. We’ll see if he’s right but the way he says it, sure sounds like this is a standing offer we have out there and his info is coming from inside the Wolves FO (the second part is just my impression).

A number of unprotected first round picks I would believe has to be more than one.

[jpatrick]

Listening to the Jon K podcast now. When discussing the pick heavy package we’re offering (vs the DLo package), he said McDaniels, Beasley, filler and “some number of unprotected first round picks.”

So he believes the offer includes McDaniels and multiple, unprotected picks. We’ll see if he’s right but the way he says it, sure sounds like this is a standing offer we have out there and his info is coming from inside the Wolves FO (the second part is just my impression).

A number of unprotected first round picks I would believe has to be more than one.

That’s how I understood it too, more than one. I don’t think he would have called it the “pick heavy” package if it was only one. I took it to mean 2-3 at least.

[KGdaBom]

Listening to the Jon K podcast now. When discussing the pick heavy package we’re offering (vs the DLo package), he said McDaniels, Beasley, filler and “some number of unprotected first round picks.”

So he believes the offer includes McDaniels and multiple, unprotected picks. We’ll see if he’s right but the way he says it, sure sounds like this is a standing offer we have out there and his info is coming from inside the Wolves FO (the second part is just my impression).

A number of unprotected first round picks I would believe has to be more than one.

That’s how I understood it too, more than one. I don’t think he would have called it the “pick heavy” package if it was only one. I took it to mean 2-3 at least.

This is the first I've heard of us offering more than one unprotected pick along with McDaniels, Beasley and Prince. I've always kind of expected 2 lightly protected FRPs. It may be too rich for my approval.

[jpatrick]

A number of unprotected first round picks I would believe has to be more than one.

That’s how I understood it too, more than one. I don’t think he would have called it the “pick heavy” package if it was only one. I took it to mean 2-3 at least.

This is the first I've heard of us offering more than one unprotected pick along with McDaniels, Beasley and Prince. I've always kind of expected 2 lightly protected FRPs. It may be too rich for my approval.

And who knows how good his info is. Maybe a source said multiple firsts and he assumed unprotected and that’s not true. Making them truly unprotected, drastically improves their value.

Multiple unprotected picks plus McDaniels may be too rich for my blood too. And I love Simmons on this team.

[shrink]

Taurean Prince becomes trade eligible Sept 27.

Sixers training camp opens Sept 28.

Just sayin’

[Wolveswin]

What if Wolves kept Beasley? I can’t imagine 76ers value Beasley with his legal troubles and character issues.

Beverley + Prince + Youth + Picks

Youth: McDaniels or Bolmaro

Picks: easily 2x 1sts maybe 3x needed.

Keeping Beasley allows for him to be great shooting 6th man OR Edwards is starting SF and Beasley starting SG.

Beasley's legal stuff is old news over and done with. I don't think most teams care one tiny bit. Maybe Utah.

Even if that was the case (it is not), Morey would be dumbest negotiator ever not to use that in leverage. As Wolves fan, we may want that to be true, it just isn’t.

[Krapinsky]

Taurean Prince becomes trade eligible Sept 27.

Sixers training camp opens Sept 28.

Just sayin’

Realgm has 9/10 for Prince. Where are you seeing 9/28? Not sure I can handle three plus more weeks of Simmons trade speculation lol.