The Andrew Wiggins Thread

wildvikeswolves · Post #81 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Sun Nov 2, 2014 7:51 am

The guy is gonna be a stud. Him and AB putting us back in the game on that 3rd quarter run was great to see

minimus · Post #82 » by **minimus** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 7:12 am

Wiggins hustle is impressive. He earns every single minute of playing time. I hope that it will be our trademark this season with Shabazz, Wiggins, Bennet and Dieng ready to raise level of physical game.

slinky · Post #83 » by **slinky** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 1:48 pm

minimus wrote:Wiggins hustle is impressive. He earns every single minute of playing time. I hope that it will be our trademark this season with Shabazz, Wiggins, Bennet and Dieng ready to raise level of physical game.

I am not quite sure I see 'impressive hustle' yet from Wiggins. He is up and down...it seems to be when he is involved(i.e. 3rd quarter) and making shots his effort level goes up. This is not to say he is lazy, or not trying the other parts of the game, but when watching him play, every once in a while the term 'floating' pops into my head.

He has had a few times when Pek has beat him down the floor. But I suppose it all depends on how you classify hustle. :-)

I am happy with Wiggins so far, none of this I hold against him, its just all part of finding that 'consistency' everyone preaches about rookies.

Post #84 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 6:57 pm

slinky wrote:I am not quite sure I see 'impressive hustle' yet from Wiggins.

Just in the last game (3rd Q I believe) he dove head first for a loose ball when we were going on our run and we ended up getting two points out of it. That was a momentum gaining play.

theGreatRC · Post #85 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 7:35 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
slinky wrote:I am not quite sure I see 'impressive hustle' yet from Wiggins.

Just in the last game (3rd Q I believe) he dove head first for a loose ball when we were going on our run and we ended up getting two points out of it. That was a momentum gaining play.

Not to mention he was the one that kept the ball alive on our 2nd to last offensive possession, twice.

Post #86 » by **Calinks** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 7:50 pm

I have always been unsure about Wiggins' potential. After 3 games I'm still not convinced he's a cant miss star player. Mentally I just don't know if he has what it takes to be that. Right he is projecting for me to be a rich man's Wesley Johnson. He could still be a very useful player to our team and a nice piece in that role. It's still too early to tell and i admittedly don't know a lot about Wiggins' game but everything I have seen so far give me this impression.

He can do some very special things, he has shown decent to good defense so far. Can he put that all together and he will have the mentality along with it to put it together to devastating effect? That's the question. I think any player that has to get riled up, or be continually pushed to play to their ability is a red flag.

guest81 · Post #87 » by **guest81** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 8:12 pm

Calinks wrote:I have always been unsure about Wiggins' potential. After 3 games I'm still not convinced he's a cant miss star player. Mentally I just don't know if he has what it takes to be that. Right he is projecting for me to be a rich man's Wesley Johnson. He could still be a very useful player to our team and a nice piece in that role. It's still too early to tell and i admittedly don't know a lot about Wiggins' game but everything I have seen so far give me this impression.

He can do some very special things, he has shown decent to good defense so far. Can he put that all together and he will have the mentality along with it to put it together to devastating effect? That's the question. I think any player that has to get riled up, or be continually pushed to play to their ability is a red flag.

When it comes to Wiggins, it looks like a clear case of overcoming the mental hurdle, rather then the fact if he's actually talented enough which I think is a good thing. The guy was looked at as the next Lebron for a longg time, it's quite a burden for a young kid. I can't really blame a guy who seems super humble and has had this level of hype on him, to be a little passive and overwhelmed. He's still two years from being able to drink for crying out loud. Now he's in a league full of men who want to prove something going against the number one pick.

I wouldn't mind the Wolves in the offseason picking up a tough nosed veteran to help Wiggins grow (NOT PERKINS), kind of like what Jalen Rose pointed out in their NBA preview. David West would be my pick, but I doubt he'd come here. KG would be perfect if he would come on a one year deal.

guest81 · Post #88 » by **guest81** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 8:14 pm

Also worth mentioning that Wes was like 4-5 years older then Wiggins is when he first entered the league. They probably aren't comparable.

slinky · Post #89 » by **slinky** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 8:36 pm

The J Rocka wrote:
slinky wrote:I am not quite sure I see 'impressive hustle' yet from Wiggins.

Just in the last game (3rd Q I believe) he dove head first for a loose ball when we were going on our run and we ended up getting two points out of it. That was a momentum gaining play.

Agreed, you see glimpses of it...but I think you could probably pull out moments from nearly any players career and point to it as 'impressive hustle'. I want Andrew Wiggins potential and talent with a Corey Brewer like attitude toward hustle. :-)

Again, only 3 games into the season i am not going to label him lazy, or say he can't improve. There are many reasons for a rookie to 'float' a bit his first few games(i.e. tentative, thinking too much, new teammates, never played against opponents, etc, etc.) But its something to watch going forward.

Inconsistent effort, whether warranted or not, is something that came up in college as well. And thru 3 games, I think inconsistent is best way to describe his effort level.

Glass half full part of me says...give him 20 games to get comfortable, than you can start to judge those type of things.

Post #90 » by **Calinks** » Mon Nov 3, 2014 11:26 pm

I'm not writing him off by any means. Just saying I don't see star player when I watch him. It's very early, that could change at any time. I would just like to see him be more aggressive at this point.

Zeitgeister · Post #91 » by **Zeitgeister** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 12:24 am

He's not a star now, he's raw. He has superstar athletic tools, he has a nose for defense and he seems like he buys into the team aspect of basketball. I'm not sure if he will ever be a star, but we'll have to let him develop and find out, I think his potential is pretty good though considering his potential as a 2 way player.

I don't really get the complaints about aggression though, outside of some minor defensive lapses. He's made a couple bone headed plays like the one that cost us the game but it's something he should learn from. He's attempting 8 shots per game, I'm not sure he needs to take many more right now. He's averaging nearly 2 steals and 1 block per game. I saw him save a possession diving on the floor last game.

I see it as he knows that he's raw and tries to play within his skill set right now. He's just started off really cold every time out 0-3, 0-4 in the first quarter or half and then I think he dials it back because he knows he's not hitting his shots. He seems to settle for mid range jumpers a bit much, but I also think part of that is he doesn't have the handle to get to the rim as he pleases. Hopefully he develops it. He doesn't need a great one with his quickness.

So just to reiterate, I don't know that it's so much that he's not aggressive enough rather that he's raw offensively and he knows it.

urinesane · Post #92 » by **urinesane** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:08 am

He's 19.

Let's give him a couple years before we try to crystal ball his future too much.

southern wolf · Post #93 » by **southern wolf** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:27 am

Calinks wrote:I have always been unsure about Wiggins' potential. After 3 games I'm still not convinced he's a cant miss star player. Mentally I just don't know if he has what it takes to be that. Right he is projecting for me to be a rich man's Wesley Johnson. He could still be a very useful player to our team and a nice piece in that role. It's still too early to tell and i admittedly don't know a lot about Wiggins' game but everything I have seen so far give me this impression.

He can do some very special things, he has shown decent to good defense so far. Can he put that all together and he will have the mentality along with it to put it together to devastating effect? That's the question. I think any player that has to get riled up, or be continually pushed to play to their ability is a red flag.

His smile is a bad omen...

Killboard · Post #94 » by **Killboard** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 5:30 am

Some of you bring the wesley Johnson case for this kid. Wesley was 23 i think he still more raw than wiggins now.

The stepback jumper will be a classic going on his career. He just separate of his defenders so quick, its amazing.

3 games in to his firat season and i saw all i need to see:

-A two handed block on noah
-Score hanging on the air and 1
-A hustle dive play
-Break jimmy butler knees with a jordan esque step back.

This guy has everything, he just need keep the hard work, and he just seems have a great work ethic

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Post #95 » by **Calinks** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 6:11 am

Those similar rookie stats doe!

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... ey-johnson

Also rookie Wesley was the GOAT too.

As famed youtuber Sasha Shahidi said.

Sasha Shahidi
3 years ago

i bet in 2 or 3 years time this dude will be the face of the nba, when kobe retires and lebron exits his prime.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYBZXM5toHE[/youtube]

longway · Post #96 » by **longway** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 2:55 pm

What did everyone think of KG after 3 pro games? What about Tracy McGrady? Ndudi...nevermind. Taking a miniscule sample size (73 minutes?) from a 19 year old playing against guys 5-10 years older than him and trying to use it in any meaningful way is, as they say in my country, bonkers.

Mattya · Post #97 » by **Mattya** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:14 pm

Do they have similar weaknesses, maybe. Wiggins has taken the ball to the rim more in these three games than Wes did his entire time here. Wiggins is much better defensively and shown much more potential on offense. Seems like a lazy comparison to me.

Zeitgeister · Post #98 » by **Zeitgeister** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:29 pm

Calinks wrote:Those similar rookie stats doe!

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... ey-johnson

Also rookie Wesley was the GOAT too.

As famed youtuber Sasha Shahidi said.

Sasha Shahidi
3 years ago

i bet in 2 or 3 years time this dude will be the face of the nba, when kobe retires and lebron exits his prime.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYBZXM5toHE[/youtube]

Rookie Wes Johnson was 4 years older than Wiggins. The significance of that age gap cannot be overstated. There is a strong correlation between age and performance. If Wiggins was 23 and performing as he is now, that comparison would have more merit. Otherwise it's just lazy.

Post #99 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:35 pm

longway wrote:What did everyone think of KG after 3 pro games? What about Tracy McGrady? Ndudi...nevermind. Taking a miniscule sample size (73 minutes?) from a 19 year old playing against guys 5-10 years older than him and trying to use it in any meaningful way is, as they say in my country, bonkers.

Agreed. Although if his stats looks the same at the end of the year, I'll probably start to get worried. It just way too early though, he's going to need time to adjust.

TMo519 · Post #100 » by **TMo519** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 6:21 pm

Key difference with Wiggins and a Wes Johnson offensively already would be ability to get to the FT line. Wes averaged a FT a game that rookie year. Wiggins has already shown a vastly better ability to get to the line and historically has done so as well. I would guess his 2.3 a game after these three will only go way up as time goes on and he gets more comfortable. That will be quite huge in developing his offensive game.