2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Klomp]

I haven't seen anything listing him past 216 at 7-1. If actually closer to 230 then that is very reassuring.

In February he said he was at 101 or 102 kilograms, which equates to 222 to 224 pounds.

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[minimus]

Would you be mad if we get #3 pick, draft Dragan and he becomes next Toni Kukoc? Not a great defender, but excellent team player with high IQ and excellent outside touch?

[Klomp]

Would you be mad if we get #3 pick, draft Dragan and he becomes next Toni Kukoc? I'm not great defender, but excellent team player with high IQ and excellent outside touch?

No

[sheefo13]

It will be interesting to see how Thibs values this pick. The team is in a position where they can trade up or down. I am assuming which ever way it goes, it will be an indication of how he expects the team to progress.

[Calinks]

I feel like thibs is going to immediately do things to bring in vets. I am already preparing my heart to say goodbye to some of my pups as Thibs ships them out for vets so we can make the playoffs.

[moss_is_1]

I feel like thibs is going to immediately do things to bring in vets. I am already preparing my heart to say goodbye to some of my pups as Thibs ships them out for vets so we can make the playoffs.

I think the only one wed care about him trading is Shabazz. I think Lavine, Rubio, Dieng, and of course Wiggins/KAT are safe. Tyus seems like hed stay because of the Minnesota connection.

If he gets value for Payne I'd be amazed.

[C.lupus]

I feel like thibs is going to immediately do things to bring in vets. I am already preparing my heart to say goodbye to some of my pups as Thibs ships them out for vets so we can make the playoffs.

I think the only one wed care about him trading is Shabazz. I think Lavine, Rubio, Dieng, and of course Wiggins/KAT are safe. Tyus seems like hed stay because of the Minnesota connection.

If he gets value for Payne I'd be amazed.

Bjelica could be on the bubble but he could also look really good with Thibs.

[theGreatRC]

I feel like thibs is going to immediately do things to bring in vets. I am already preparing my heart to say goodbye to some of my pups as Thibs ships them out for vets so we can make the playoffs.

I think the only one wed care about him trading is Shabazz. I think Lavine, Rubio, Dieng, and of course Wiggins/KAT are safe. Tyus seems like hed stay because of the Minnesota connection.

If he gets value for Payne I'd be amazed.

Bjelica could be on the bubble but he could also look really good with Thibs.

I think Thibs would see Belly as what he did with Mirotic. Mirotic's rookie year >>> Soph year

[C.lupus]

I was thinking that, too. As devil's advocate, maybe he'd view him as mentally weak? That's probably not fair but Belly did seem to battle confidence issues all season.

[Calinks]

We shall see. I love the young guys and Bjelly so for me its like Watching Game of Thrones. I know somebody is going down.

[No-Man]

Would you be mad if we get #3 pick, draft Dragan and he becomes next Toni Kukoc? Not a great defender, but excellent team player with high IQ and excellent outside touch?

If Bender is Kukoc that will be a home-run, Kukoc at age 18 would have been the n1 pick in this draft by a mile.

[Note30]

I don't understand the confusion here. Neither of the top2 are good fits. Trade them both if we end up there. Or draft Bender.

Trade him for what? Whatever we trade the pick for has to outweigh the benefits of a rookie contract and having someone around the same age as our core.
Bender is still an unknown, I'm not against drafting Bender even as high as #1, but I don't know enough about him to say that's the right move.

How about no contract?

If we get anywhere between 5-6, trade down and stash one-two pick like Saric for the 76ers.

Example:

Jusuf Nurkic + #15 (Furkan Kormkaz (ex.) + #19 (Ivica Zubac)

Now you have two guys younger than our core stashed away until you need them and their 4 year deal doesn't start till later.

Plus we get the massive center who can play limited minutes on a decent deal.

[minimus]

I'm not convinced if we should trade draft pick (rookie) for young players on shorter contracts. I mean we have already many young player who needs minutes to develop. If we add a young player on 1-2 year contract he simply won't have enough time to create chemistry and get significant role

[jpatrick]

Unless you're going to get a youngish borderline all-star, you keep the pick. Even at 5-6, you can get one of Hield or Murray in all likelihood. Worst case, we have insurance if Zach doesn't improve or we have a young shooter off the bench on a rookie scale contract, which every team could use.

What are people's thoughts on Ellenson? I was not a fan after watching play several games, and most sites seems to have lowered him below our pick. However, Ford is keeping him in the top five and says he may pass Bender.

[RationalGaze]

Unless you're going to get a youngish borderline all-star, you keep the pick. Even at 5-6, you can get one of Hield or Murray in all likelihood. Worst case, we have insurance if Zach doesn't improve or we have a young shooter off the bench on a rookie scale contract, which every team could use.

What are people's thoughts on Ellenson? I was not a fan after watching play several games, and most sites seems to have lowered him below our pick. However, Ford is keeping him in the top five and says he may pass Bender.

Zach shows all the potential and results that he's going to cash in. To draft an insurance pick would be a waste. In the event and all likelihood Zach improves then you just wasted the 5th pick.
Ellenson is likely to be a bust. He's a worse defender than Okafor was. He shoots a lot of threes, but makes a small percentage of them. He's all mid-range and rebounds. He has no business being in the top 5 for the Wolves. Dieng is a better player and he's still not a starter.
My belief he's just a name to drive a media narrative that when a team takes someone else all of a sudden it's a surprise pick and no one saw that coming blah blah blah type of b.s.

[Takingbaconback]

I think Murray would be a good move at 5 cuz he can be insurance for lavine or Rubio. Also in the case that wolves do move down, is Ullis good enough to not give tyus jones a chance at backup pg?

[RationalGaze]

I think Murray would be a good move at 5 cuz he can be insurance for lavine or Rubio. Also in the case that wolves do move down, is Ullis good enough to not give tyus jones a chance at backup pg?

Ulis is a starter not a backup. If LaVine doesn't work out then the Wolves can draft a shooting guard next year. Timothe Luwawu is the ultimate insurance pick since he can play the 2 and 3 if somehow Wiggins doesn't work out. I think Phoenix will take him.

[Takingbaconback]

So you think Rubio is most likely to improve in his deficiency than LaVine or Wiggins? No way, there is an astronomically higher chance wiggins is staying over Rubio if one were to leave. I don't think there is a wiggins insurance like one for LaVine and rubio

And if Ulis is a starter in this league, he would be worth drafting to replace jones I think

[RationalGaze]

So you think Rubio is most likely to improve in his deficiency than LaVine or Wiggins? No way, there is an astronomically higher chance wiggins is staying over Rubio if one were to leave. I don't think there is a wiggins insurance like one for LaVine and rubio

And if Ulis is a starter in this league, he would be worth drafting to replace jones I think

Rubio's only deficiency is knocking down the open shot. Last full month he shot 39% from 3. He needs to carry that over throughout 2016-2017 otherwise the Wolves can look to next year's draft or free agency. It won't be hard to find a point guard wanting to play with positions 2-5 filled out.
That I know of there's no pure 2 guard close to LaVine's athleticism, but Timothe is closer to Wiggins regarding Small Forwards. My honest opinion of Ulis is he's the best point in the draft, but drafting a Power who defends the 4 laterally, is athletic, and shows a shooting touch is what will be best for the team and not an insurance pick for an individual player. Those 2 would be Dragan and Deyonta. It's hard to get athletic shot blockers who defend well and shoot the ball. That's more Deyonta than Dragan. Dragan moves extremely well for someone his size. Like really well especially with his handle. I hope neither guy is taken so we can decide the best option.

[Takingbaconback]

Yeah I like bender as our pick but who is deyonta? Seems like there are so many intriguing big men in this draft with X factors like maker and qi who ppl dismiss due to their inexperience but they have loads of potential