Beasley key to draft

[Jedzz]

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Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

Shrink, I saw a post of yours on trade board advocating for JRich who shot 32.7% this season in his new Philly home starting 46 of 48 games. You also offered up a lotto pick for him if I read it correctly.

I'm thinking you like Josh Richardson because his current deal has him at 10-11 million for the next two seasons and he adds defense. JRICH (36% career) (32.7, 35.7, 378, .330 last 4 years). Should we not trust JRick's stats from this year either?

The statistical facts seem to point to Beasley shooting even better as he becomes more involved. The starting games prove it.

In 2018-2019 in 81 games for Denver Beasley avg 40.2% from 3 on 405 shots. Even more, in the only 18 games started that season, he shot 3s at 48.5%. Again, more proof that seems to point out that starting brings out his best.

Basic Game Log (123rd Career Game to 145th Career Game)

First Last G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-
2019-01-08 2019-02-28 23 18 29.3 6.0 10.8 .552 2.8 5.8 .485 0.9 1.0 .875 0.5 1.9 2.4 1.4 0.7 0.1 0.8 1.7 15.7 11.6 4.6

In 2019-2020 season, the first 41 games were for Denver and he got ZERO starts. Later, 14 straight starts for MN. The difference? 36% to 42.5%. Go look at his other seasons if you still don't believe. Check the starts or lack thereof.

I rest my case. Those questioning his high level numbers and those suggesting Wolves play him from bench can all go kiss my rosey ask me no more questions.

Might be time for you to join the Beasley fan club.

[minimus]

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Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

Shrink, I saw a post of yours on trade board advocating for JRich who shot 32.7% this season in his new Philly home starting 46 of 48 games. You also offered up a lotto pick for him if I read it correctly.
Might be time for you to join the Beasley fan club.

Josh Richardson has PO for 2021/22 season. It does not make sense to trade any significant asset for him.

[KGdaBom]

Beasley seems like a reasonably good player. It is far from proven that he is. No matter who we decide to spend our draft picks on their will be players already on the team in those positions. I think PF is the biggest need followed by SF. However, if the best talent is at PG, SG or Center those might be the players to take. If the ping pong balls fall well for us I like Okongwu best. He maybe doesn't shoot the three good enough to be a good fit. I don't really care. He's the best player. Wiseman might be the second best player. Maybe it's Edwards. I don't know and I don't get paid the big bucks to figure it out.

[KGdaBom]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

Shrink, I saw a post of yours on trade board advocating for JRich who shot 32.7% this season in his new Philly home starting 46 of 48 games. You also offered up a lotto pick for him if I read it correctly.
Might be time for you to join the Beasley fan club.

Josh Richardson has PO for 2021/22 season. It does not make sense to trade any significant asset for him.

Good point Minimus.

[minimus]

Shrink, I saw a post of yours on trade board advocating for JRich who shot 32.7% this season in his new Philly home starting 46 of 48 games. You also offered up a lotto pick for him if I read it correctly.
Might be time for you to join the Beasley fan club.

Josh Richardson has PO for 2021/22 season. It does not make sense to trade any significant asset for him.

Good point Minimus.

That said, I'd trade BRO pick and Culver for Richardson if he had two full guaranteed years in contracts.

[KGdaBom]

Josh Richardson has PO for 2021/22 season. It does not make sense to trade any significant asset for him.

Good point Minimus.

That said, I'd trade BRO pick and Culver for Richardson if he had two full guaranteed years in contracts.

Culver started the season so well. It's a shame that he imploded later. I would make that deal also, but don't give up on Culver just yet. We probably should have drafted White in hindsight.

[minimus]

Good point Minimus.

That said, I'd trade BRO pick and Culver for Richardson if he had two full guaranteed years in contracts.

Culver started the season so well. It's a shame that he imploded later. I would make that deal also, but don't give up on Culver just yet. We probably should have drafted White in hindsight.

Yeah, I am big Culver fan, but Richardson situation is a combination of two things: 10mil contract and ideal fit as elite defender. So two full years of his services would be worth Culver and BRO pick IMO.

[shrink]

Yeah, I am big Culver fan, but Richardson situation is a combination of two things: 10mil contract and ideal fit as elite defender.

Yes, and I feel it’s important to look at pairing Russell with a good defender, to take the harder assignment every night. He also has a 36.2% career three point shooting percentage, which would force defenders to come out to the three point line to respect his shot. I would prefer him over Aaron Gordon (31.8% career)

Richardson is on a good contract at $10 mil, but since he’s unlikely to take his player option the next year, it makes him a player that we have the trade assets to get. Of course, you don’t do this deal unless you get a feel through backchannels that JRich would consider re-signing here. I will say though that it is difficult to find young players with star (maybe not “superstar”) upside that you could pry away with affordable trade assets. Those are the types of guys I’m interested in, and the available list is short: Richardson, Caris LeVert, some would include Aaron Gordon, etc. I’m sure there are a couple others.

[Jedzz]

Yeah, I am big Culver fan, but Richardson situation is a combination of two things: 10mil contract and ideal fit as elite defender.

Yes, and I feel it’s important to look at pairing Russell with a good defender, to take the harder assignment every night. He also has a 36.2% career three point shooting percentage, which would force defenders to come out to the three point line to respect his shot. I would prefer him over Aaron Gordon (31.8% career)

Richardson is on a good contract at $10 mil, but since he’s unlikely to take his player option the next year, it makes him a player that we have the trade assets to get. Of course, you don’t do this deal unless you get a feel through backchannels that JRich would consider re-signing here. I will say though that it is difficult to find young players with star (maybe not “superstar”) upside that you could pry away with affordable trade assets. Those are the types of guys I’m interested in, and the available list is short: Richardson, Caris LeVert, some would include Aaron Gordon, etc. I’m sure there are a couple others.

His inflated 36.2 career avg you are touting is highly built up from a rookie season where he attempted TWO 3s a game and ended that season with a 46% avg. That shifty number is impacting his career numbers that have avg'd 34.8 that last 4 seasons since he started attempting up to 4 to 6 shots per game.

Nevermind reality though right? You have to try and save the Timberwolves money! Let's throw more bs to the wind to further your agenda. What's next?

Answer me this shrink.Why do you think they can't afford Beasley? Even if they sign Beasley they are still going to have the MLE left to use if the want. I suppose that's just shy of what JRich makes. They have guys like Turner coming off books (18.6).

[Jedzz]

Malik Beasley's 3pt avg while starting games = 45.6%

220 games under his belt and only 33 starts so far.

2018/19 = 18 starts @vg 48.5% 3pt
2019/20 = 14 starts @vg 42.6% 3pt (with Wolves)

In 14 playoff games in Denver he's @vg 40.4% 3pt but only on 4-5 attempt/per

[Klomp]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

[Jedzz]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

But if you had 1000 followers on twitter it would mean everthing towards trusting your sports take.

I pull numbers from basketball reference and thus try to let any trust lay with them instead of trying to get others to believe me. But it's not enough apparently.

shrink's just doing anything he can to try and dissprove Beasley as a 40% 3pt shooting starter. He will only acknowledge any stats that support his claims and wants that really only have to do with financial plans he desires for them anyway. All anyone needs to know is that while playing as a starter he's shooting well over 40% from 3 in his career. It's more of a mixed bag result when playing from bench so far.

[Klomp]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

But if you had 1000 followers on twitter it would mean everthing towards trusting your sports take.

Well shoot, I only have 939....guess I can't be trusted.

[Jedzz]

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

But if you had 1000 followers on twitter it would mean everthing towards trusting your sports take.

Well shoot, I only have 939....guess I can't be trusted.

Your ears must be burning hot all day long!

[old school 34]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

But if you had 1000 followers on twitter it would mean everthing towards trusting your sports take.

I pull numbers from basketball reference and thus try to let any trust lay with them instead of trying to get others to believe me. But it's not enough apparently.

shrink's just doing anything he can to try and dissprove Beasley as a 40% 3pt shooting starter. He will only acknowledge any stats that support his claims and wants that really only have to do with financial plans he desires for them anyway. All anyone needs to know is that while playing as a starter he's shooting well over 40% from 3 in his career. It's more of a mixed bag result when playing from bench so far.

Whether Beasley is a 38% or a 40% shooter from 3....is this the hill to die on? Either one his a very good to elite shooter....something that we obviously need more of on this team. Shrink is always going to value financial flexibility....almost to a fault imo sometimes but I get the perspective. I think we resign Beasley regardless of the # (but I do think Rosas & team understood the rfa market especially this year...where they felt comfortable that the risk of how big the overpay may get...it was calculated)....Does Beasley deserve to max out what he can get...absolutely & Rosas job is to minimize that without damaging the relationship...basic business. He'll start...he's flawed and needs to get better same as Dlo & KAT and every other guy on the roster....for the most part you guys agree on 70% of it & it's okay to have a different perspective on the other 30? And especially since, we're looking at the longest offseason & shortest @ the same time....I'd hope Rosas is playing out any & every different scenario as to how he could go about next steps on the rebuild....it should be one of those great brainstorming sessions where there's no such thing as a dumb idea to throw out?

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[shrink]

Not sure we should trust these stats. Beasley shot 38.8% from 3 last season.

People can name themselves anything they want on twitter. “Elite Media Group” doesn’t even have 1000 followers.

It took 5 seconds to realize the guy accidentally pulled the 2018-19 3-point percentage instead of 2019-20. But I guess I can't be trusted either. I only have 55,000 posts on RGM and have only been on the site for 15 years.....

To me, a name like “Elite Media Group” tries to connote a major publishing conglomerate, servicing multiple media sources. When I saw they didn’t post the correct number, I wondered how their fact-checkers missed this, and let them post the error.

I expected a hundred thousand followers - and saw they had only a fraction of that. I don’t think this is a company — their “Elite Media Group” might be a single, amateur poster.

We have enough posters here misrepresenting Beasley’s percentages, omitting huge numbers of his games if they aren’t positive. I don’t respect our “in those games he didn’t do bad, look how good he did!”-“statisticians”. In fact, looking at the whole picture is particularly critical for three point percentage, because sample sizes are so low. We don’t need to further quote misinformation. Let’s just talk about what the real numbers are - not the best slivers of the best nibbles.

[shrink]

Whether Beasley is a 38% or a 40% shooter from 3....is this the hill to die on? Either one his a very good to elite shooter..

My issue was labeling him “elite.”

He shot 38% and I don’t think that is elite - it’s very good.

It would be like labeling him elitely bad at defense or passing. He is only bad at those skills.

[Norseman79]

Whether Beasley is a 38% or a 40% shooter from 3....is this the hill to die on? Either one his a very good to elite shooter..

My issue was labeling him “elite.”

He shot 38% and I don’t think that is elite - it’s very good.

It would be like labeling him elitely bad at defense or passing. He is only bad at those skills.

What percentage do you consider elite, and what would you say is the minimum attempts per game required to make it valid?

[Norseman79]

44-45% on 500 plus attempts in a season? Say between 6-8 per game?

[Jedzz]

We have enough posters here misrepresenting Beasley’s percentages, omitting huge numbers of his games if they aren’t positive.

If there is anyone here misrepresenting the information on this topic it has been you. "percentages" can be great disinformation and you are trying very hard to use career numbers that are meaningless and harmful to the truth.

You are the one refusing to admit Beasley has a full season at over 40% 3 pt shooting with Denver already which a very rare number of players have done with any kind of volume. You know, the elite kind.
You are the one refusing to admit his starting percentage is over 40%.

You are the one claiming he's not shooting in the elite group by only compare him to fulltime starters with the best numbers. You can't have it both ways. Compare apples to apples. Compare Beasley's starting numbers to the starting numbers of say S. Curry. A name you used. But you won't.

You were the one claiming his 14 games here can't be used to extrapolate into an expectation to maintain 42.6 here. (which not a single person suggested). Your strawman disinformation tactic. So I did show you he already had 18 games starting for Denver at way higher percentage. You won't accept that as reality?


You are the one trying to sell snake oil about JRICH shooting 36% using a career percentage for disinformation. When in reality he's shot below 36% for 3 of his last 4 seasons. Once getting above at 37% three years back. This season he's shot 32.7%. Andrew Wiggins shot 33.9% this year with a career at 33.2%. Just Great!

The nerve of you now to try and call out anyone else for misrepresenting anything.