Is it time yet? To move on from Rosas?

[Note30]

Towns doesn't win games by himself either. Neither does Lebron or anyone else. When you POBO/GM contruct a crappy roster imbalance and coaches don't evaluate their own players well, and play games with the regular season that have nothing to do with winning or getting a new roster to gel, like starting seasons by planning to instantly inflate young player values for trades, then Nobody is going to look good. Surprise, this is what happened.

Not only is the head coach in question for his ingame adjustments, timeout usage, and really...decisions on who plays, but so are the two assistants that were supposed to be up and coming future head coaching candidates of this leage in Prigioni and Vanterpool who are running offense/defense gameplans. If you want to call them gameplans.

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Can't wait for the "see" posts now that they won a game without Dlo playing. As if everyone's job there wasn't target practice on the wall after that Hawks loss to push them this Pelican's game.

Thats like saying Kobe (81) and Kwame (3) scored 84,

When was the last time Towns scored 81 or Dlo scored 3 while playing together. It's not like that at all. If you want to honestly discuss these things let's stick to real talk, deal?

I have it in another post already today that Dlo accounts for 70 pts and 97 minutes of three of the teams four wins this year. But someone like you is claiming he can't, and specifically claiming he's causing all the losses. Find me any player on this team that accounted for more points during those wins. Beasley accounted for 65 pts and 100 minutes in those three previous wins. These two players were capable of helping us win even with the team coaches making horrible decisions left and right all around them. It wasn't pretty and people shouldn't expect it to have been given the environment the coaches created for them. But they won the games. No individual numbers matter during this season aside from scoring enough to get the wins and especially with your super simple claim about singular players "winning games" all by themselves.

Those wins are part of a 14 game sample. Where they went 3-11 in wins/losses. If you focus on only the wins the reality is they had Towns. DLo should be able to carry the team if he really is going to be the highest usage player. I don't know why you are defending DLo and **** on the younger players. It makes no sense, the accountability should be on the more experienced player.

[Jedzz]

Thats like saying Kobe (81) and Kwame (3) scored 84,

When was the last time Towns scored 81 or Dlo scored 3 while playing together. It's not like that at all. If you want to honestly discuss these things let's stick to real talk, deal?

Those wins are part of a 14 game sample. Where they went 3-11 in wins/losses. If you focus on only the wins the reality is they had Towns. DLo should be able to carry the team if he really is going to be the highest usage player. I don't know why you are defending DLo and **** on the younger players. It makes no sense, the accountability should be on the more experienced player.

Because some of the younger players are crap to rely on right now and our coaches pushing their importance infront of players like Dlo and Rubio and others this season have ruined this season already. The accountability is on the Coaches. You failing to see this is your problem in my opinion. I was talking about this here since the preseason games. It's on you for not reading or believing it.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and and start reviewing the minutes of every game this season and actual onball usage etc. You might find out where the coaches failed Dlo and asked him to stop caring about this crap while Towns is out. While you are at it, look around at the posts about Rubio and his play this season and then contrast it to kneejerk posts about him after a win like yesterday or a single good quarter in another game. Ask yourself why you and so many are such kneejerks about this stuff.

[Note30]

When was the last time Towns scored 81 or Dlo scored 3 while playing together. It's not like that at all. If you want to honestly discuss these things let's stick to real talk, deal?

Those wins are part of a 14 game sample. Where they went 3-11 in wins/losses. If you focus on only the wins the reality is they had Towns. DLo should be able to carry the team if he really is going to be the highest usage player. I don't know why you are defending DLo and **** on the younger players. It makes no sense, the accountability should be on the more experienced player.

Because some of the younger players are crap to rely on right now and our coaches pushing their importance infront of players like Dlo and Rubio and others this season have ruined this season already. The accountability is on the Coaches. You failing to see this is your problem in my opinion. I was talking about this hear since the preseason games. It's on you for not reading or believing it.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and and start reviewing the minutes of every game this season and actual onball usage etc. You might find out where the coaches failed Dlo and asked him to stop caring about this crap while Towns is out. While you are at it, look around at the posts about Rubio and his play this season and then contrast it to kneejerk posts about him after a win like yesterday or a single good quarter in another game. Ask yourself why you and so many are such kneejerks about this stuff.

When LeBron was playing with all of those rookies and they didn't make the playoffs - no one blamed the rookies. Obviously, because it makes no sense.

LeBron is the max player and vet. DLo and Towns are supposed to be that for this team - the vets. The accountability is on them. The fact that DLo is a horrid defender is his fault, the fact that he takes ill-advised shots is his fault. The fact that he can't set up his teammates better is his fault.

When we traded for him the expectation was that him and Towns would carry us to the playoffs. Thats what he did in Brooklyn and what he should do now.

The coaching game plan is revolved all around DLo, he is the highest usage on the team at 30.3 percent according to stat muse. He's not a 3 dimensional scorer and has poor IQ when in playmaking situations. The stats and eye test point to this.

The reality is the coaching plan failed him because Dlo is a poor PG but a decent SG. So play him there and trade Beasley. Have Rubio run the offense and the entire team gets better.

He has literally done this with Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker and drastically improved both teams he was on. STOP giving the ball to DLo.

[Merc_Porto]

The reality is the coaching plan failed him because Dlo is a poor PG but a decent SG. So play him there and trade Beasley. Have Rubio run the offense and the entire team gets better.

He has literally done this with Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker and drastically improved both teams he was on. STOP giving the ball to DLo.

Dlo is not a SG. I thought he could play there at begining of the season when we traded for Rubio.

But look at Mitchell and Booker compared with Dlo. There's not a similarity.
Those guys can play inside/outside, can draw fouls, can defend better and they are both strong. Dlo needs the ball to be effective because he doesn't attack the rim, he can't draw fouls, defensible he's one of worst guards in the league. Skinny AF.

Dude needs the ball in his hands, period. And with the ball in his hands Rubio has to play off-ball. That's what we saw the first 10 games. And they are going to continue to do that. No doubt in my mind unfortunely. This banana crew menatality is going to last until Rosas is fired or KAT asks for a trade.

[Jedzz]

Those wins are part of a 14 game sample. Where they went 3-11 in wins/losses. If you focus on only the wins the reality is they had Towns. DLo should be able to carry the team if he really is going to be the highest usage player. I don't know why you are defending DLo and **** on the younger players. It makes no sense, the accountability should be on the more experienced player.

Because some of the younger players are crap to rely on right now and our coaches pushing their importance infront of players like Dlo and Rubio and others this season have ruined this season already. The accountability is on the Coaches. You failing to see this is your problem in my opinion. I was talking about this hear since the preseason games. It's on you for not reading or believing it.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and and start reviewing the minutes of every game this season and actual onball usage etc. You might find out where the coaches failed Dlo and asked him to stop caring about this crap while Towns is out. While you are at it, look around at the posts about Rubio and his play this season and then contrast it to kneejerk posts about him after a win like yesterday or a single good quarter in another game. Ask yourself why you and so many are such kneejerks about this stuff.

When LeBron was playing with all of those rookies and they didn't make the playoffs - no one blamed the rookies. Obviously, because it makes no sense.

The only people blaming Lebron for that season would be people like you, incorrectly doing so. And there were, people already suggesting his game had falling off due to age, or questioning his desire to compete enough to carry them. Come on man. You understand this.

Lebron didn't go back to Cleveland and accept a bunch of young inexperienced players for his run to the finals there. He had Cleveland trade their #1 pick away to bring in yet another Vet among many team building moves. He didn't take on the role of childrearing and will Cleveland to the finals.

[Chello1]

Completely time to move on from him! He admitted yesterday that the plan was for this year to be bad for us. So you knew it was going to be bad but you still traded away our first round pick? He just needs to go..... The best draft in 20 years and we don't have a pick???? We don't have any cap space and our players are regressing!!!! Tell me where the hope is?

[Merc_Porto]

Completely time to move on from him! He admitted yesterday that the plan was for this year to be bad for us.

I think is just a bad excuse. I'm sure he wasn't expecting to be this bad. But is irresponsible to say something like that knowing like you said... He gave a valuable asset with a really low protection.

For Dlo (Ouch)

[Jedzz]

Completely time to move on from him! He admitted yesterday that the plan was for this year to be bad for us. So you knew it was going to be bad but you still traded away our first round pick? He just needs to go..... The best draft in 20 years and we don't have a pick???? We don't have any cap space and our players are regressing!!!! Tell me where the hope is?

Yes I heard something like that where he said they knew this season would be another developing year, another struggle. I wasn't sure if he was talking about covid at first but I think he did say another developing year and that means losing... and thats why they started the season trying to upsell the playability of Culver/Ediwards over everything else.

This season did not have to be another "developing" year and tanking bs. I got no luv for this guy running this team anymore either, not this way. Enough of these 5 year talk guys that know they are going to be shipped out by year 3 anyway. Really what has he really done for this team besides help the Warriors progress? He even let them get a roster usable player in the draft instead of forcing them to take a PG or SG with their pick. I suppose something to that effect was agreed upon during the Wiggins move. So instead Rosas took the logjam himself.

For a guy capable of flipping almost the entire roster each year he sure gets no where fast. I had hoped he was exactly the type of guy that could get things going quicker being willing to make huge moves at a time. But I just don't see player evaluation skills with this new crew. It would be nice to see a crew for once know how best to develop guys.

[Klomp]

Development does not necessarily mean tanking.

[Jedzz]

Development does not necessarily mean tanking.

It shouldn't. But it does with this team. As they "develop" from 25 minutes for multiple players.

Can't they ever just do something the right and logical way?

Situation with Thibs...
Young players or rather anyone outside top 7 players never play, period.

Situation with Rosaas/Ryan...
Rookies and young developing players...25 minutes/stealing role of starters/causing struggle with entire team/losing games.


Can they not just keep the highest developing players around 15-18 minutes and stop screwing this up so much?

[Klomp]

Development does not necessarily mean tanking.

It shouldn't. But it does with this team. As they "develop" from 25 minutes for multiple players.

Can't they ever just do something the right and logical way?

Situation with Thibs...
Young players or rather anyone outside top 7 players never play, period.

Situation with Rosaas/Ryan...
Rookies and young developing players...25 minutes/stealing role of starters/causing struggle with entire team/losing games.


Can they not just keep the highest developing players around 15-18 minutes and stop screwing this up so much?

As they continue to grow the depth and talent base, they won't have to rely on youngsters so much.

[Jedzz]

Development does not necessarily mean tanking.

It shouldn't. But it does with this team. As they "develop" from 25 minutes for multiple players.

Can't they ever just do something the right and logical way?

Situation with Thibs...
Young players or rather anyone outside top 7 players never play, period.

Situation with Rosaas/Ryan...
Rookies and young developing players...25 minutes/stealing role of starters/causing struggle with entire team/losing games.


Can they not just keep the highest developing players around 15-18 minutes and stop screwing this up so much?

As they continue to grow the depth and talent base, they won't have to rely on youngsters so much.

They don't have to rely on Youngsters so much right now! This is their way fulfilling the mantra of "creating an environment for young players to grow". This is how they figured they would create that environment here. Total mess.

Please do explain this. You have three PGs. You start the season with two players outside that group of three initiating offense like banshees in the night instead. One is a rookie, the other a second year guy and neither can spell gameIQ. These two play 20-25 minutes almost every game and really there is absolutely no need for either of them to play at all. But if you wanted to "develop" and "foster that young talent growth environment" they could play 15 mins a game with small responsibilities to handle and you know...develop an ability to do something useful.

A player like McDaniels has the head to play as a rookie. Just like JMac did. How hard is it to recognize this and play those and "develop" the ones that aren't ready? They developed JMac, Reid, and Vanderbilt in the Gleague and it really appears to have helped. They come in looking like they at least know what they are supposed to be doing. But this team refuses to develop the frp players that need it from there. The real problem is that they have youngsters they want to sell rather than selecting youngsters they actually want to develop to play here in the future.

[Jedzz]

It's a great roster of defenders and shooters alright. Also a great cast of coaches installing defense into the brains of young pups and preparing them to come out of the gates blazing! Exceptional schemes and team identity. What more could he have done?

[jpatrick]

Much like with Saunders, give him the rest of the year. If we still are a bottom 5-6 NBA team, clean house. Rosas, Saunders, everyone. Rosas put himself on the clock by trading a pick only top three protected for a very flawed player like Russell.

[Baseline81]

Much like with Saunders, give him the rest of the year. If we still are a bottom 5-6 NBA team, clean house. Rosas, Saunders, everyone. Rosas put himself on the clock by trading a pick only top three protected for a very flawed player like Russell.

What I find fascinating about the situation is if the Wolves are fortunate enough to keep their pick, the current top-3 prospects play the same positions as Russell and Towns -- Cunningham (PG), Suggs (PG) and Mobley (C).

[jpatrick]

Much like with Saunders, give him the rest of the year. If we still are a bottom 5-6 NBA team, clean house. Rosas, Saunders, everyone. Rosas put himself on the clock by trading a pick only top three protected for a very flawed player like Russell.

What I find fascinating about the situation is if the Wolves are fortunate enough to keep their pick, the current top-3 prospects play the same positions as Russell and Towns -- Cunningham (PG), Suggs (PG) and Mobley (C).

I think there is a definite top five. The three you mention along with the two G-League guys. Those two, who knows at this point till we see them play. I think the hope would be Cunningham would be more a point SF and Mobley could play PF with his slight frame. And honestly, we can’t draft for need. Russell isn’t good enough to change draft plans and I’m not positive Towns will be here long term.

[Klomp]

Much like with Saunders, give him the rest of the year. If we still are a bottom 5-6 NBA team, clean house. Rosas, Saunders, everyone. Rosas put himself on the clock by trading a pick only top three protected for a very flawed player like Russell.

What I find fascinating about the situation is if the Wolves are fortunate enough to keep their pick, the current top-3 prospects play the same positions as Russell and Towns -- Cunningham (PG), Suggs (PG) and Mobley (C).

They also play the same position as the guys who Rosas was criticized for passing on, and are all potentially better prospects than the 2020 pair.

[Dewey]

I'm not sure that Rosas' trading the 2021 pick was near the issue at the time as it is now due Covid. KAT's extended absence the end of last season and beginning of this season has largely been the root issue. Could pull alot of #1 players off many teams and they'd be suckin it as well - without the GM's head on a stick.

Clearly, the current record is nauseating, but I cannot scapegoat the HC or POBO. The time and effort to add pieces around KAT is a work in progress - then ultra challenging when there is not KAT - and still don't get a chance to see who clicks and who doesn't. Were we gonna be bad this year? For many a playoff spot was possible, but a reach. We'll never know.

We need a big hitter and they know it, but will we ever be able to generate the "player" assets? We are prolly stuck with DLo, but what can Beasley, ANT, Rubio, and McD bring back in a package? We might find out.

For now ... it's simply grind it out, scrap a few wins, and see if KAT plays again...

[Jedzz]

Much like with Saunders, give him the rest of the year. If we still are a bottom 5-6 NBA team, clean house. Rosas, Saunders, everyone. Rosas put himself on the clock by trading a pick only top three protected for a very flawed player like Russell.

What I find fascinating about the situation is if the Wolves are fortunate enough to keep their pick, the current top-3 prospects play the same positions as Russell and Towns -- Cunningham (PG), Suggs (PG) and Mobley (C).

They also play the same position as the guys who Rosas was criticized for passing on, and are all potentially better prospects than the 2020 pair.

Cunningham isn't any more special looking than Haliburton was. Surprisingly or not, Cunningham probably would have been in a big mixed bag of 6-6 to 6-8 high efficiency shooters that were in the past draft and not hyped at the top. These two guys aren't big enough projects to be the typical hyped listed at the top that the annual bad teams draft from. How can they already shoot 37% and 42% threes in college and still be considered sky is the limit prospects? That wasn't allowed last year. I expect a few different names to shoot up. But maybe these guys have already been hyped long enough to hold it.

I just have the same questions. How do they improve this team when they are fighting for minutes in the logjam? At some point you have to start building around those you have.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Did he have info that Pierce was about to get the chop and jumped at Finch?

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