2021 Draft thread

jpatrick · Post #81 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:00 pm

I’m still pissed Rosas didn’t at least get top 5 protection on that pick. I know he felt like there was no chance we’d be this bad, but you can’t tell me GSW passes on that trade with slightly more protection on the pick.

Cunningham, Mobley, Green, and Suggs all have superstar potential. And Kuminga, even as raw as he is, could be a star. This lotto will be franchise changing. Either we add a potential superstar or we get nothing.

Dewey · Post #82 » by **Dewey** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:28 pm

If there is a sure-fire player in the draft that will change the franchise I’m Just not buying ... lots of very good players (deep), but I’m not seeing the elite NBA changing players some claim.

jpatrick · Post #83 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:56 pm

Dewey wrote:If there is a sure-fire player in the draft that will change the franchise I’m Just not buying ... lots of very good players (deep), but I’m not seeing the elite NBA changing players some claim.

There is no Lebron. Top four probably go #1 last year. Doesn’t mean they’ll be better in the NBA than Ant or LaMelo, but as prospects, I think they’re better.

Slim Tubby · Post #84 » by **Slim Tubby** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:07 pm

I’m not really upset about our 2021 FRP because I only see this as a 4 player draft. If we keep the pick, we’re getting a difference maker in Cade, Suggs, Mobley or Green.

If we lose the pick, I won’t lose any sleep missing out on Kuminga or the other prospects. At least we’ll know we have our 2022 pick without restrictions in what projects to be another strong draft at the top.

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Post #85 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:09 pm

The most upsetting part is knowing the reason we lost it.

Neeva · Post #86 » by **Neeva** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:39 pm

^Yep asterisk “all star” DLO.
Stay positive though Wolves AND Houston are defying the odds and keeping their top three protected picks.

Neeva · Post #87 » by **Neeva** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:47 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:I’m not really upset about our 2021 FRP because I only see this as a 4 player draft. If we keep the pick, we’re getting a difference maker in Cade, Suggs, Mobley or Green.

If we lose the pick, I won’t lose any sleep missing out on Kuminga or the other prospects. At least we’ll know we have our 2022 pick without restrictions in what projects to be another strong draft at the top.

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This, Kuminga, kispert, Jalen Johnson, Barnes, wagner(lottery pick really?) etc all look pretty meh.

For me it’s Jalen Green or bust with Suggs or Cunningham as nice consolation prizes. Green will be the super star in this class. Suggs and Cunningham are nice but lack Green’s elite athleticism. Green/Ant duo will be electric.

Dewey · Post #88 » by **Dewey** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:25 pm

Mobley is like a Zombie ... runs up and down the floor haphazardly and has yet to get involved in the game. But ya... he’s tall, big goatee, and lots of tattoos ... built like McD

Neeva · Post #89 » by **Neeva** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:39 pm

Dewey wrote:Mobley is like a Zombie ... runs up and down the floor haphazardly and has yet to get involved in the game. But ya... he’s tall, big goatee, and lots of tattoos ... built like McD

Right, he is always last down the court, shows little emotion, not aggressive at all, he should be dunking a lot more. He’s been a lot better than McDaniels was last season at Udub but he has a better coach.

Neeva · Post #90 » by **Neeva** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:40 am

Cunningham’s play this ncaa tournament is yikes.

jpatrick · Post #91 » by **jpatrick** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:03 am

Neeva wrote:Cunningham’s play this ncaa tournament is yikes.

This is my first time watching him. No impact. I was expecting a Scottie Pippin clone. He is not. Is he athletic/quick enough to create space in the NBA? He doesn’t have the creativity with the ball of people like Doncic or Lamello, who also aren’t great NBA athletes but still manage to create separation.

TheZachAttack · Post #92 » by **TheZachAttack** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:10 am

Green is my #1 prospect. He’s a Lavine clone and the only guy who has #1 option potential in my book. Super active off ball. Edwards type first step and leaping ability. His jumper isn’t potentially good it’s already really good (37% on volume).

If you watch his games he’s got that “touch” and body control around the rim that players either have or don’t have. For example, I would say that Edwards doesn’t have that touch despite his ability to get to the rim. Edwards does flash it sometimes but when he’s trying to adjust through or around traffic too often he misses and I can’t explain it but you can tell that he kind of just tossed it to the rim or at least misjudged the right touch—either way he doesn’t naturally have that soft touch off the backboard that some players have. On the flip side, Zion is the best I have ever seen in this department.

Green is going to be able to score from anywhere in the half court, on ball or off ball. You will be able to iso him and he can beat his man or pull up from 3. You can run him around screens. He’s a really good cutter and has that feel and timing. He’s a monster in transition. I can go on and on.

Cade does not have the athleticism to get to the rim at the NBA level. He’s also not a Ben Simmons level passer and does not show, to me, that he’s a primary playmaker—maybe against some bench units in some lineups.

If you ask Cade to be your primary creator and shot maker, the outcome will be a bunch of contested mid range shots, step back 3s, and attempts to draw fouls on jump shots (sound familiar?). Cade’s offensive game is basically a wing version of D Lo when he’s the primary guy.

I’m not saying he is bad. I think he could be a really elite #2 or #3 who is allowed to, instead of having to carry the primary scoring load and create shots, use his high IQ and good passing ability to play within flow and make the right play consistently. He can score ~20 PPG within the flow of the offense when it’s the right shots for him to take with his shot making ability (isn’t this also what we want D Lo to do?) I think he’s a multiplier type player if he’s asked to play in that way. I don’t think his skill set is being used right when he’s the primary playmaker or shot creator.

jpatrick · Post #93 » by **jpatrick** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:14 am

After one half, dangerous to make judgements, the comp that I come up with for Cunningham is a right handed RJ Barrett with a better jumper.

That’s actually be a really good SF fit with Edwards at SG. Just was expecting more out of Cade after all the hype.

Neeva · Post #94 » by **Neeva** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:20 am

jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:Cunningham’s play this ncaa tournament is yikes.

This is my first time watching him. No impact. I was expecting a Scottie Pippin clone. He is not. Is he athletic/quick enough to create space in the NBA? He doesn’t have the creativity with the ball of people like Doncic or Lamello, who also aren’t great NBA athletes but still manage to create separation.

He aint showing the basketball iq or even really trying much. Team Jalen Green all the way.

TheZachAttack · Post #95 » by **TheZachAttack** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:22 am

jpatrick wrote:After one half, dangerous to make judgements, the comp that I come up with for Cunningham is a right handed RJ Barrett with a better jumper.

That’s actually be a really good SF fit with Edwards at SG. Just was expecting more out of Cade after all the hype.

I am coming around to the idea that Cunningham is not a good fit. Cunningham is a good shot maker, but can’t get to the rim. He’s shooting about 45% from 2 because he takes a bunch of mid range shots. His shot selection looks like D Lo. I like his ability to make shots, but I’m worried that on a roster that really only has 1 player (Edwards) that can get to the rim on his own that adding another player that cannot get to the rim is not a good thing.

Post #96 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 am

jpatrick wrote:After one half, dangerous to make judgements, the comp that I come up with for Cunningham is a right handed RJ Barrett with a better jumper.

That’s actually be a really good SF fit with Edwards at SG. Just was expecting more out of Cade after all the hype.

Cade had a much better season in terms of shooting percentages than Barrett did in college. If he’s not making his shots he doesn’t look particularly special.

TheZachAttack · Post #97 » by **TheZachAttack** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:02 am

Worm Guts wrote:
jpatrick wrote:After one half, dangerous to make judgements, the comp that I come up with for Cunningham is a right handed RJ Barrett with a better jumper.

That’s actually be a really good SF fit with Edwards at SG. Just was expecting more out of Cade after all the hype.

Cade had a much better season in terms of shooting percentages than Barrett did in college. If he’s not making his shots he doesn’t look particularly special.

Exactly and this is the reason I am going to start pushing the D Lo comparison on offense though I think Cunningham adds another level of magnitude doing that front the wing. Cade is a really good shotmaker and 3 point shooter. However, his game is largely based on taking high degree of difficulty jump shots. Both players can make every pass, but don’t have a primary initiator mindset. I will say Cade appears to be a more aggressive transition player which is where a lot of his free throws and shots at the rim come from.

Slim Tubby · Post #98 » by **Slim Tubby** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:27 pm

After watching a few games of Cunningham and Mobley, I'm all in on Jalen Suggs. I have seen virtually nothing of Jalen Green but the Zack LaVine comparisons don't excite me as a #1 Overall Pick, not that he won't end up being a great player in the NBA. Suggs has it all...shooting, getting to the hoop, defense, high IQ/character and runs a team like nobody's business. If we end up having our choice of prospects, Suggs would be my guy.

Baseline81 · Post #99 » by **Baseline81** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:After watching a few games of Cunningham and Mobley, I'm all in on Jalen Suggs. I have seen virtually nothing of Jalen Green but the Zack LaVine comparisons don't excite me as a #1 Overall Pick, not that he won't end up being a great player in the NBA. Suggs has it all...shooting, getting to the hoop, defense, high IQ/character and runs a team like nobody's business. If we end up having our choice of prospects, Suggs would be my guy.

I struggle to see how posters downplay Cunningham and Mobley based on their tournament appearance, however, Suggs' game was less than ideal as well.

2-8 FG
0-3 3PA
2 AST
4 TO

Slim Tubby · Post #100 » by **Slim Tubby** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:44 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:After watching a few games of Cunningham and Mobley, I'm all in on Jalen Suggs. I have seen virtually nothing of Jalen Green but the Zack LaVine comparisons don't excite me as a #1 Overall Pick, not that he won't end up being a great player in the NBA. Suggs has it all...shooting, getting to the hoop, defense, high IQ/character and runs a team like nobody's business. If we end up having our choice of prospects, Suggs would be my guy.

I struggle to see how posters downplay Cunningham and Mobley based on their tournament appearance, however, Suggs' game was less than ideal as well.

2-8 FG
0-3 3PA
2 AST
4 TO

I watched 4+-5 Conference games of Mobley and Cade each but you're right, their NCAA performances did nothing to bolster their value, albeit it's a very small sample size. There's a long way to go before the Draft and plenty of evaluations still to come.