Who won't be on the team in a week?

[thinktank]

No one ever claimed the Timberwolves often make the right choice. I'm just suggesting one.

I was under the impression that this thread is about what we think Rosas WILL do, and not what we personally think Rosas SHOULD do.

You can believe and do whatever your little heart desires. Mom left a voice mail.

You have your right to be wrong, copyright KG Da Bomb.

Personally, if I'm going to go rogue, I do it when I'm right and that's why I do it.

Talk to you on the 26th.

[Jedzz]

I was under the impression that this thread is about what we think Rosas WILL do, and not what we personally think Rosas SHOULD do.

You can believe and do whatever your little heart desires. Mom left a voice mail.

You have your right to be wrong, copyright KG Da Bomb.

Personally, if I'm going to go rogue, I do it when I'm right and that's why I do it.

Talk to you on the 26th.

I'm about ready to wait a few days now and find out, but I don't need the team to validate what I think is right or have it be an easy expecation for them to before suggesting it. I actually rarely expect them to due to history. Just wish occasionally they might find their way to do what I'm hoping and take them in a better direction.

[thinktank]

You can believe and do whatever your little heart desires. Mom left a voice mail.

You have your right to be wrong, copyright KG Da Bomb.

Personally, if I'm going to go rogue, I do it when I'm right and that's why I do it.

Talk to you on the 26th.

I'm about ready to wait a few days now and find out, but I don't need the team to validate what I think is right or have it be an easy expecation for them to before suggesting it. I actually rarely expect them to due to history. Just wish occasionally they might find their way to do what I'm hoping and take them in a better direction.

Don’t be silly.

Your takes are bad and the team would be even worse if you were GM.

[Jedzz]

Don’t be silly.

Your takes are bad and the team would be even worse if you were GM.

Well let's face it, you don't have or own takes because there just isn't anything there to offer or you aren't willing to take such feedback. It's easier to sit back and accept what you're served and not put your thoughts out there. I get it. However silly is often having an opinion on us and not offering one on which way the team showed act. Kind of speaks more about why you are here.

[thinktank]

Don’t be silly.

Your takes are bad and the team would be even worse if you were GM.

Well let's face it, you don't have or own takes because there just isn't anything there to offer or you aren't willing to take such feedback. It's easier to sit back and accept what you're served and not put your thoughts out there. I get it. However silly is often having an opinion on us and not offering one on which way the team showed act. Kind of speaks more about why you are here.

The difference between you and I is you are giving your opinion way too often.

[Neeva]

Don’t be silly.

Your takes are bad and the team would be even worse if you were GM.

Well let's face it, you don't have or own takes because there just isn't anything there to offer or you aren't willing to take such feedback. It's easier to sit back and accept what you're served and not put your thoughts out there. I get it. However silly is often having an opinion on us and not offering one on which way the team showed act. Kind of speaks more about why you are here.

The difference between you and I is you are giving your opinion way too often.

Also you are not beyond annoying.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I'll get the popcorn.. please continue.

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[Jedzz]

Well let's face it, you don't have or own takes because there just isn't anything there to offer or you aren't willing to take such feedback. It's easier to sit back and accept what you're served and not put your thoughts out there. I get it. However silly is often having an opinion on us and not offering one on which way the team showed act. Kind of speaks more about why you are here.

The difference between you and I is you are giving your opinion way too often.

Also you are not beyond annoying.

Annoying means you've read it. I find yours as annoying at times but you can sleep well knowing your thoughts were heard anyway.

[Wolf_Cry]

Tough to give up Beasley because his contract is amazing, but his value might be as high as it'll ever be. I'm not saying he's complete as a player, but with Dlo coming back as well, there's too many mouths to feed on offense. Then there's the defense which everyone pointed out (and my main concern). It might actually be best to trade him now. Knowing the Wolves luck though, we'll probably regret it as he somehow turns into Ray Allen 2.0.

Trading Edwards for a vet Forward is likely what should be the correct move, is what trading the #1 was always supposed to be instead of gutting your own good players and good contracts and moving sidwards. If Rosas had traded the #1 overall and Edwards been who he has been this season so far for another team, only a couple Wolves fans would be talking the what if game about drafting Edwards. The team would have had a much better season and more would be happy. So trade him now and correct all this before we give away proven players, proven everygame competitors on good contracts like we did with RoCo just to end up with a hole where he once was. The second Suns game was reality with no reliable shooters again.

Edwards for Gordon plus a top4 protected Magic pick. We all need to remember that Gordon will be an expiring into UFA next season and he may demand more than he's worth to stay in MN. Especially if Edwards is still here shooting 18-30 times a game and making nearly everyone else outside Towns a spectator here. How would Wolves make the most of Gordon with Edwards here?

I don't mind trading Ant, but not for Gordon. I think Gordon is pretty overrated right now- especially whenever his trade talks heat up. Honestly, he is an average player but that's about it. Ant on the other hand, has shown the potential to be more. Will he reach it? That's debatable and most will say no (including me), but even then I'd still risk keeping his potential over trading it for someone like Aaron Gordon.

[Jedzz]

Tough to give up Beasley because his contract is amazing, but his value might be as high as it'll ever be. I'm not saying he's complete as a player, but with Dlo coming back as well, there's too many mouths to feed on offense. Then there's the defense which everyone pointed out (and my main concern). It might actually be best to trade him now. Knowing the Wolves luck though, we'll probably regret it as he somehow turns into Ray Allen 2.0.

Trading Edwards for a vet Forward is likely what should be the correct move, is what trading the #1 was always supposed to be instead of gutting your own good players and good contracts and moving sidwards. If Rosas had traded the #1 overall and Edwards been who he has been this season so far for another team, only a couple Wolves fans would be talking the what if game about drafting Edwards. The team would have had a much better season and more would be happy. So trade him now and correct all this before we give away proven players, proven everygame competitors on good contracts like we did with RoCo just to end up with a hole where he once was. The second Suns game was reality with no reliable shooters again.

Edwards for Gordon plus a top4 protected Magic pick. We all need to remember that Gordon will be an expiring into UFA next season and he may demand more than he's worth to stay in MN. Especially if Edwards is still here shooting 18-30 times a game and making nearly everyone else outside Towns a spectator here. How would Wolves make the most of Gordon with Edwards here?

I don't mind trading Ant, but not for Gordon. I think Gordon is pretty overrated right now- especially whenever his trade talks heat up. Honestly, he is an average player but that's about it. Ant on the other hand, has shown the potential to be more. Will he reach it? That's debatable and most will say no (including me), but even then I'd still risk keeping his potential over trading it for someone like Aaron Gordon.

I don't know if Gordon will reach his best if here, or if it should be a different player in trade. I just used him because his name is current with many thoughts here. But these options don't need to match everyone's highest possible ceiling imaginations for Ant to be a great move for Wolves now either. Ant's and a #1 picks potential is what makes it possible for a complete fictional imaginary future to be traded for a known starter in the NBA that is usable. How good that player is can be debated, but also how much that player solves a problem for this team now, and how the team doesn't have to wait 4 or more years to realize that rooks potential...all has to be figured in. While someof you think Ant is worth more, I can see how a team would try and ask for that rook and a future pick incase the rook you traded to them turns out to be less than advertised. When what they are selling is at least proven what he has so far is real already over years of playing long NBA seasons.

You know what Gordon or Collins or a Randle or..., just as examples, brings at minimum. Your coach can think about getting more out of them or not but you know what the minimum expectations likely are.
You know that for Beasley.
You know that for Dlo.
You know that for Towns.

Knowing those things are minimums from these players helps you build a team around them. The plus is that they are all in that 24/25/26 range where actual advanced skills are still refining yet, while game IQ, experience, and truer confidence and maturity have finally kicked in. That leaves a nice sized 5 to 6 years stretch of their prime play, possibly better than they ever have shown is for your team now. Yes, you can trade a #1 rookie for that without batting an eye. Or you can live with two or three known players and just put all your eggs in hope that the #1 can do enough sooner and consistantly enough. It's a choice, but he sure better fit with those there or else, what it the point again? At least with a trade you can target a fit.

[Wolf_Cry]

Trading Edwards for a vet Forward is likely what should be the correct move, is what trading the #1 was always supposed to be instead of gutting your own good players and good contracts and moving sidwards. If Rosas had traded the #1 overall and Edwards been who he has been this season so far for another team, only a couple Wolves fans would be talking the what if game about drafting Edwards. The team would have had a much better season and more would be happy. So trade him now and correct all this before we give away proven players, proven everygame competitors on good contracts like we did with RoCo just to end up with a hole where he once was. The second Suns game was reality with no reliable shooters again.

Edwards for Gordon plus a top4 protected Magic pick. We all need to remember that Gordon will be an expiring into UFA next season and he may demand more than he's worth to stay in MN. Especially if Edwards is still here shooting 18-30 times a game and making nearly everyone else outside Towns a spectator here. How would Wolves make the most of Gordon with Edwards here?

I don't mind trading Ant, but not for Gordon. I think Gordon is pretty overrated right now- especially whenever his trade talks heat up. Honestly, he is an average player but that's about it. Ant on the other hand, has shown the potential to be more. Will he reach it? That's debatable and most will say no (including me), but even then I'd still risk keeping his potential over trading it for someone like Aaron Gordon.

I don't know if Gordon will reach his best if here, or if it should be a different player in trade. I just used him because his name is current with many thoughts here. But these options don't need to match everyone's highest possible ceiling imaginations for Ant to be a great move for Wolves now either. Ant's and a #1 picks potential is what makes it possible for a complete fictional imaginary future to be traded for a known starter in the NBA that is usable. How good that player is can be debated, but also how much that player solves a problem for this team now, and how the team doesn't have to wait 4 or more years to realize that rooks potential...all has to be figured in. While someof you think Ant is worth more, I can see how a team would try and ask for that rook and a future pick incase the rook you traded to them turns out to be less than advertised. When what they are selling is at least proven what he has so far is real already over years of playing long NBA seasons.

You know what Gordon or Collins or a Randle or..., just as examples, brings at minimum. Your coach can think about getting more out of them or not but you know what the minimum expectations likely are.
You know that for Beasley.
You know that for Dlo.
You know that for Towns.

Knowing those things are minimums from these players helps you build a team around them. The plus is that they are all in that 24/25/26 range where actual advanced skills are still refining yet, while game IQ, experience, and truer confidence and maturity have finally kicked in. That leaves a nice sized 5 to 6 years stretch of their prime play, possibly better than they ever have shown is for your team now. Yes, you can trade a #1 rookie for that without batting an eye. Or you can live with two or three known players and just put all your eggs in hope that the #1 can do enough sooner and consistantly enough. It's a choice, but he sure better fit with those there or else, what it the point again? At least with a trade you can target a fit.

I guess my main issue with this approach is that it leaves the team with KAT + a bunch of mediocre players. I think to win this league you need at least 2 stars nowadays. Gordon/Collins/Randle + KAT/DLo and whatever isn't going to win you a championship. The only way I trade Ant is if I get a guarantee star in return or a rising star himself is coming in with the trade- neither of which I think is happening. This team has been stuck in the dumpster for so long. Trading Ant's potential for mediocrity isn't something I personally wouldn't trade my misery for lol.

[Battletrigger]

I'll get the popcorn.. please continue.

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Man, this is softer than the Kat-Embid fight.

[mplsfonz23]

Tough to give up Beasley because his contract is amazing, but his value might be as high as it'll ever be. I'm not saying he's complete as a player, but with Dlo coming back as well, there's too many mouths to feed on offense. Then there's the defense which everyone pointed out (and my main concern). It might actually be best to trade him now. Knowing the Wolves luck though, we'll probably regret it as he somehow turns into Ray Allen 2.0.

Trading Edwards for a vet Forward is likely what should be the correct move, is what trading the #1 was always supposed to be instead of gutting your own good players and good contracts and moving sidwards. If Rosas had traded the #1 overall and Edwards been who he has been this season so far for another team, only a couple Wolves fans would be talking the what if game about drafting Edwards. The team would have had a much better season and more would be happy. So trade him now and correct all this before we give away proven players, proven everygame competitors on good contracts like we did with RoCo just to end up with a hole where he once was. The second Suns game was reality with no reliable shooters again.

Edwards for Gordon plus a top4 protected Magic pick. We all need to remember that Gordon will be an expiring into UFA next season and he may demand more than he's worth to stay in MN. Especially if Edwards is still here shooting 18-30 times a game and making nearly everyone else outside Towns a spectator here. How would Wolves make the most of Gordon with Edwards here?

I don't mind trading Ant, but not for Gordon. I think Gordon is pretty overrated right now- especially whenever his trade talks heat up. Honestly, he is an average player but that's about it. Ant on the other hand, has shown the potential to be more. Will he reach it? That's debatable and most will say no (including me), but even then I'd still risk keeping his potential over trading it for someone like Aaron Gordon.

And isn't he on a nice rookie contract? Proven players are nice, but how do they become "proven?" Time. Trade Ant and he turns into a stud, then what do you have? An old vet, plus no future. Thats what.

[Sugarless]

Two days to go. I'm still hoping that Rubio gets traded, but at this point I just want the backcourt to be less crowded. The Wolves can't afford to keep the glut of guards through the deadline on Thursday and get Beasley, Russell and maybe even McLaughlin back by Friday or Saturday. They'd just watch everyone's energy, morale and value go down the drain even further for the rest of the season, while jeopardizing whatever plans they have for next summer regarding trades and free agents.

[Jedzz]

I guess my main issue with this approach is that it leaves the team with KAT + a bunch of mediocre players. I think to win this league you need at least 2 stars nowadays. Gordon/Collins/Randle + KAT/DLo and whatever isn't going to win you a championship. The only way I trade Ant is if I get a guarantee star in return or a rising star himself is coming in with the trade- neither of which I think is happening. This team has been stuck in the dumpster for so long. Trading Ant's potential for mediocrity isn't something I personally wouldn't trade my misery for lol.

Well, if u only believe stars come from the top pick of the draft then you will likely have to just keep drafting forever until you have two or more surefire stud stars. The reality is any of these solid starting and still young players could get out of the situation they were in and explode in your designed fit team. But even if they don't, the sum of 4 to 5 really good starters playing consistent bball can take on two and three star teams. It's happened before enough times, either competing to the finals or winning them.

If you think Edwards is that next star you do have to now push your expectations out a good 2 or 3 more years for it coming together. Because that might be the first moment he's truly going to play consistent enough to be that second "star from the #1 pick spot". Now, another reality is if this team loses its tail for two more seasons, maybe even one more year, we very well could be talking about Town's upcoming trade to another team. If that happens, now you are down to one "star" again, and that's if Edwards becomes the next James Harden. Harden likely being better than you can expect, still had to leave Houston to continue trying to build a better team. I would argue star chasing builds only in the draft is fools gold for a team like this. Timing and Luck have to be too great. However if you are building winning teams of fit, competing well in the playoffs, you might just get a final piece to the puzzle star player to make that final leap with you through FA or trade. Examples of this too do exist, even recently.

Here is another reality of trying to tank/build from the top of draft. A large majority of minions will claim Edwards had to start this season because they don't believe he can develop without it. I disagree but let's allow that for a second as truth. What happens if they get the #2 or #3 pick this coming draft, who do they select. Suggs? Those same minions just claim they are good enough to play together no problem. I don't think it's that automatic. Many people thought it was kind of nuts bringing Harden, Kyrie together. Just like it was crazy to bring Westbrook/Harden together. But these are older already developed players, grown men that can choose to adjust their games to allow another talent next to them to overlap and fit. Expecting it to work out as well from a rookie and second year player I would argue is a whole different request for a small miracle. At the very least they might really slow each others development. The risks of this thinking seem utterly overwhelming. Philly snagged Simmons and Embiid and still had to try and add three overpaid or highest level paid players to complement them for a shot and still didn't get there. You could argue that Philly almost made it, and you also could argue they didn't have the best team fit pulled together and were just built from star and name chasing.

[Jedzz]

I don't mind trading Ant, but not for Gordon. I think Gordon is pretty overrated right now- especially whenever his trade talks heat up. Honestly, he is an average player but that's about it. Ant on the other hand, has shown the potential to be more. Will he reach it? That's debatable and most will say no (including me), but even then I'd still risk keeping his potential over trading it for someone like Aaron Gordon.

And isn't he on a nice rookie contract? Proven players are nice, but how do they become "proven?" Time. Trade Ant and he turns into a stud, then what do you have? An old vet, plus no future. Thats what.

What? An old vet and no future? What future does the last place team have right now? Seriously, this is a seasonal sport going on endlessly. So if your build fails, you just start over and you are going to be in no worse a spot then you are right now. Remember, they just got the #1 draft pick and are in Last place again just like last year which earned them the #1 in the first place. They can win another #1 this coming draft and still end up in last place again. All you'll have is this fake feeling about hope in the future because you have hyped/drafted names still developing?

Is this any different than, or are you trying to revisit the moment the team had say Wiggins/Towns/Lavine? Does anyone remember that time and can you be truthful remembering it? Do you remember half the fan base saying Lavine shouldn't start because they felt it was holding back Wiggin's development? Do you see what I'm getting at? It's like some think we can do it again and do it better this time? What is a Wiggins/Towns/Lavine team going to get you right now if you had it? Not enough defense obviously. Doing that better might have been to keep LaVine and Towns and put defense around them. But who knows. None of them have carried their teams into the playoffs. In fact Wiggins and Towns together needed a bunch of Old Vets to carry them into the playoffs. Then the team got rid of the "old vets" and sent us to the bottom of the league again.

Can we learn one day is my question. Or does this endlessly have to repeat?

[NebWolvesFan]

I'm updating my list of most likely to be traded

1. Hernangomez
2. Rubio
3. Culver
4. Layman
5. Ed Davis

I no longer believe Beasley will be traded, and I feel after Monday's disappointing loss, Rosas is more likely to move Rubio.

[Jedzz]

Who's going to emotionally survive the epic changes this time?

[old school 34]

1. (With a bullet)...Jarrett Culver--Rosas needs that reminder to go away....the logic & thought process...I get, but for whatever the reason it hasn't worked & the positional glut makes it too difficult to resurrect. Move him...take your losses...& let Finch help the rest of the roster make sense (which in return helps Rosas look better)...ideal situation Culver for Sekou (another guy that Rosas had a shine for that plays a position that they could help him better develop).

2. Ed Davis...can I get a 2nd back, maybe?

3. Layman...he's fine as a bench guy but seems like a math filler for a trade sooner than later?

4. Vando or Juancho...I can hear an argument for each guy (mostly dependent on who the other 4 are in the bench unit)...but keep only 1 cause if both stay 1's falling out of the rotation...get rid of Juancho's salary or move Vando for whatever value you can get (if he's out of rotation again, how likely is he resigning here anyways)?

5. Nowell or Beasley....this one doesn't need to be decided this week unless that significant trade offer comes thru (most likely meaning, Beasley moving on)...but unless there's this sudden belief that Nowell can move to pg...then we need to see if we can move either one of these assets for a bigger version (shooter @ the 3 or 4...& if being greedy--a better defensive version, right).

6. Rubio & Okogie...Not that they wouldn't consider moving them & they're might be some options...but if they move the others above...they'll stay pat with these two...as they both help from a team chemistry standpoint currently.

I don't see the larger deal out there right now...so I think it's those top 4.

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[old school 34]

Curious if there's any rotation adjustments tonight in Dallas game...guessing most interested to see if their might be an early tell there (ie--I wouldn't expect Culver to play tonight)?

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