WOJ: Wolves acquire Patrick Beverley for Juancho + Culver

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Rosas couldn’t get Clarke instead by throwing in some seconds?? Like he couldn’t get Nance in the Rubio trade? Clarke can’t even get off the bench for Memphis anymore.. Wolves bave a blackhole at PF
Rosas sucks at trades , he needs to stop.

Vanderbilt is better than Clarke and costs you nothing. Please stop this Clarke infatuation, theres a reason he cant get off the bench in Memphis.

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Our only chance to get Simmons is as a third team in which Philly gets a star. With Beasley, filler (either Prince or Bev), and multiple FRPs and pick swaps going out from us.

Philly has no use for what we have if we’re not moving Edwards, which we’re not. I guess Dlo/Beasley would be something they’d consider, but I don’t know we’d move DLo. Would we?

I’m not so sure. Yes, Rosas would prefer Dame, but who wouldn’t?

If that’s not possible, what does the team need? The Sixers already have an expensive deal on Tobias Harris, and Embiid just signed an extension today for massive money. The team needs to maximize Embiid’s talents, so it looks to me like they need three point shooting to spread the floor. Preferably, they’d also add a playmaker for the crunch time. Beasley would be a big help, and either Beverley or DLo would also help a lot. Even if MIN sent out DLo, it would allow us at PG to play Simmons on offense, and Bev on defense.

As everyone knows, I am not a fan of bringing Simmons to MIN, either at the high trade price or the continued salary. But from a structural position, I think Beasley + 1st + either DLo/PBev isn’t a bad offer to improve the Sixers.

I see no way we trade DLo for Simmons and no way Simmons plays (actual, primary) PG for any team ever again. Beasley a 1st and filler would be the foundation of any package we offer and Reid might be included if pressed, but only because we would have to pay him next year. If that gets him it gets him if not oh well, not overly excited by him anyways.

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He looked mostly washed last season.

[jpatrick]

Our only chance to get Simmons is as a third team in which Philly gets a star. With Beasley, filler (either Prince or Bev), and multiple FRPs and pick swaps going out from us.

Philly has no use for what we have if we’re not moving Edwards, which we’re not. I guess Dlo/Beasley would be something they’d consider, but I don’t know we’d move DLo. Would we?

I’m not so sure. Yes, Rosas would prefer Dame, but who wouldn’t?

If that’s not possible, what does the team need? The Sixers already have an expensive deal on Tobias Harris, and Embiid just signed an extension today for massive money. The team needs to maximize Embiid’s talents, so it looks to me like they need three point shooting to spread the floor. Preferably, they’d also add a playmaker for the crunch time. Beasley would be a big help, and either Beverley or DLo would also help a lot. Even if MIN sent out DLo, it would allow us at PG to play Simmons on offense, and Bev on defense.

As everyone knows, I am not a fan of bringing Simmons to MIN, either at the high trade price or the continued salary. But from a structural position, I think Beasley + 1st + either DLo/PBev isn’t a bad offer to improve the Sixers.

I see no way we trade DLo for Simmons and no way Simmons plays (actual) PG for any team ever again. Beasley a 1st and filler would be the foundation of any package we offer and Reid might be included if pressed, but only because we would have to pay him next year. If that gets him it gets him if not oh well, not overly excited by him anyways.

I think that’s the value you assign him. That’s not his value around the league. I would think he had more value than Jrue Holiday for example and look what he fetched.

I’m coming around to the idea Rosas might get this done. Morey, no matter what he says, doesn’t want Simmons in training camp. But he wants a star, preferably a Lillard, Beal, Lavine, etc. None of those dudes are available this offseason unless Lillard demands a trade. So, Morey needs to roll his assets over to the deadline when one might become available. How does he do that without Simmons reporting to camp? He trades him now for a bunch of assets he can then flip for a star at the deadline. MN picks/swaps are probably pretty valuable since we are historically horrible.

Beasley, Prince, 2 FRPs and 2 swaps.

We are the one team continually mentioned, including today, in terms of Simmons. You know Rosas will give up the farm.

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He looked mostly washed last season.

If a "mostly washed" Beverley still gives you 40% 3-point shooting, I'll take that if all you're giving up is Hernangomez and Culver.

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He looked mostly washed last season.

I didn't follow him last season. He is getting to an age where most players games decline. I took a look at his stats and this is what I found. He didn't score much, but he never has. only 1 season above 10 PPG.
Defense numbers were good a steal and a block per game
Shooting efficiency is good both from 2 and 3. From 3 he is reliably right around 40% the last six years in a row.
Add in his very annoying way of playing D and getting in the opponents heads I think he will be a very nice addition to the team.

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I’m not so sure. Yes, Rosas would prefer Dame, but who wouldn’t?

If that’s not possible, what does the team need? The Sixers already have an expensive deal on Tobias Harris, and Embiid just signed an extension today for massive money. The team needs to maximize Embiid’s talents, so it looks to me like they need three point shooting to spread the floor. Preferably, they’d also add a playmaker for the crunch time. Beasley would be a big help, and either Beverley or DLo would also help a lot. Even if MIN sent out DLo, it would allow us at PG to play Simmons on offense, and Bev on defense.

As everyone knows, I am not a fan of bringing Simmons to MIN, either at the high trade price or the continued salary. But from a structural position, I think Beasley + 1st + either DLo/PBev isn’t a bad offer to improve the Sixers.

I see no way we trade DLo for Simmons and no way Simmons plays (actual) PG for any team ever again. Beasley a 1st and filler would be the foundation of any package we offer and Reid might be included if pressed, but only because we would have to pay him next year. If that gets him it gets him if not oh well, not overly excited by him anyways.

I think that’s the value you assign him. That’s not his value around the league. I would think he had more value than Jrue Holiday for example and look what he fetched.

I’m coming around to the idea Rosas might get this done. Morey, no matter what he says, doesn’t want Simmons in training camp. But he wants a star, preferably a Lillard, Beal, Lavine, etc. None of those dudes are available this offseason unless Lillard demands a trade. So, Morey needs to roll his assets over to the deadline when one might become available. How does he do that without Simmons reporting to camp? He trades him now for a bunch of assets he can then flip for a star at the deadline. MN picks/swaps are probably pretty valuable since we are historically horrible.

Beasley, Prince, 2 FRPs and 2 swaps.

We are the one team continually mentioned, including today, in terms of Simmons. You know Rosas will give up the farm.

Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

And the problem is and Jon K brought it up, if you wait until camp, it probably lowers his value further. Morey truly butchered this whole thing and should have acted quicker, to pressure teams to make rash emotional decisions before cooler heads prevail. The ridiculous asks probably didn't help either and likely alienated teams as well.

[TheProdigy]

I see no way we trade DLo for Simmons and no way Simmons plays (actual) PG for any team ever again. Beasley a 1st and filler would be the foundation of any package we offer and Reid might be included if pressed, but only because we would have to pay him next year. If that gets him it gets him if not oh well, not overly excited by him anyways.

I think that’s the value you assign him. That’s not his value around the league. I would think he had more value than Jrue Holiday for example and look what he fetched.

I’m coming around to the idea Rosas might get this done. Morey, no matter what he says, doesn’t want Simmons in training camp. But he wants a star, preferably a Lillard, Beal, Lavine, etc. None of those dudes are available this offseason unless Lillard demands a trade. So, Morey needs to roll his assets over to the deadline when one might become available. How does he do that without Simmons reporting to camp? He trades him now for a bunch of assets he can then flip for a star at the deadline. MN picks/swaps are probably pretty valuable since we are historically horrible.

Beasley, Prince, 2 FRPs and 2 swaps.

We are the one team continually mentioned, including today, in terms of Simmons. You know Rosas will give up the farm.

Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

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I think that’s the value you assign him. That’s not his value around the league. I would think he had more value than Jrue Holiday for example and look what he fetched.

I’m coming around to the idea Rosas might get this done. Morey, no matter what he says, doesn’t want Simmons in training camp. But he wants a star, preferably a Lillard, Beal, Lavine, etc. None of those dudes are available this offseason unless Lillard demands a trade. So, Morey needs to roll his assets over to the deadline when one might become available. How does he do that without Simmons reporting to camp? He trades him now for a bunch of assets he can then flip for a star at the deadline. MN picks/swaps are probably pretty valuable since we are historically horrible.

Beasley, Prince, 2 FRPs and 2 swaps.

We are the one team continually mentioned, including today, in terms of Simmons. You know Rosas will give up the farm.

Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Every team in the NBA is interested in Simmons. However, some are not willing to take on the contract.

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I think that’s the value you assign him. That’s not his value around the league. I would think he had more value than Jrue Holiday for example and look what he fetched.

I’m coming around to the idea Rosas might get this done. Morey, no matter what he says, doesn’t want Simmons in training camp. But he wants a star, preferably a Lillard, Beal, Lavine, etc. None of those dudes are available this offseason unless Lillard demands a trade. So, Morey needs to roll his assets over to the deadline when one might become available. How does he do that without Simmons reporting to camp? He trades him now for a bunch of assets he can then flip for a star at the deadline. MN picks/swaps are probably pretty valuable since we are historically horrible.

Beasley, Prince, 2 FRPs and 2 swaps.

We are the one team continually mentioned, including today, in terms of Simmons. You know Rosas will give up the farm.

Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Not according to Jon K.

[Wolves21]

Great move by Rosas and really improves the back up PG spot after losing Rubio and also address the leadership role and toughness this team badly needs.Sucks giving up on Culver and still believe he'll turn into a solid starter or role player in the league.Never and all star/star power but a solid player that can contribute to a playoff team.

Beverly,Prince and 2nd round pick for Rubio,Culver & Juancho I would say overall is a slight upgrade.But still have a massive problem with a starting caliber PF/C big man,maybe will role with Towns/Reid starting at the 4/5 this year which wouldn't be a terrible move(much better then the option of McDaniels/Towns)but still would need a good back up big off the bench.Maybe we can go the cheap route and Knight works out in the role but would want a move proven talent in that role to start the season.

Russell/Beverly
Edwards/Beasley
McDaniels/Bolamro
Towns/Prince
Reid/Knight

that would be the ten man rotation I would go with if we don't upgrade in the front court.On paper that's a pretty good line up if theirs actually a lick of defense played even being undersized.

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Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Every team in the NBA is interested in Simmons. However, some are not willing to take on the contract.

It sounds like pretty much no team really wants his contract.

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i feel like a package of beasley, prince and 2nd net us Myles Turner. we really need interior d and shot blocking more than simmon's perimeter d and play making. even if we don't get anyone else Rosas has done a solid job with the assets we have. And yea, maybe sign milsap or biyombo if we strike out on the big fishes.

Dlo/Patrick Beverly/Bolmaro
Edwards/Beasley/Novell
Prince/Okogie/Layman
McDaniels/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

Good chance of making 7th or 8th seed.

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I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Every team in the NBA is interested in Simmons. However, some are not willing to take on the contract.

It sounds like pretty much no team really wants his contract.

The Wolves for one would take his contract. Several other teams would I'm sure. He's a great player.

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Every team in the NBA is interested in Simmons. However, some are not willing to take on the contract.

It sounds like pretty much no team really wants his contract.

The Wolves for one would take his contract. Several other teams would I'm sure. He's a great player.

The wolves might be interested, but probably wouldn't give up much to take it on. And we are as it sounds the only team to continue to communicate consistently. It is a waiting game.

[MN7725]

Literally, this morning Jon K said there is virtually no interest in Simmons across the NBA, if it wasn't already obvious. His value is pretty non-existent and this isn't a well kept secret.

And it is all fine and good that they want Lillard, who says Portland wants Simmons? If they are trading Lillard, they probably don't. Moreover, who says Portland can get the most in a deal involving the 6ers? Maybe it turns out that way, but there will be competition. It is not like it is easy to act like this would be a foregone conclusion.

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Not according to Jon K.

was just listening to his podcast

https://talknorth.com/krawczynski/

19 mins in is the Simmons talk

"market is pretty dry for Ben Simmons, not a lot of teams banging on Philly's door"

the only thing Jon K said in regards to Philly's asking price (if that is the reason not many teams interested) was that it could get ugly if Simmons is on Philly in training camp, and price could drop

also said that Wolves would need 3rd team involved to facilitate a player that Philly would want, rather than what Wolves have to offer

[IceManBK1]

I've heard that there is interest in Simmons around the league, but not at Morey's crazy asking price.

Not according to Jon K.

was just listening to his podcast

https://talknorth.com/krawczynski/

19 mins in is the Simmons talk

"market is pretty dry for Ben Simmons, not a lot of teams banging on Philly's door"

the only thing Jon K said in regards to Philly's asking price (if that is the reason not many teams interested) was that it could get ugly if Simmons is on Philly in training camp, and price could drop

also said that Wolves would need 3rd team involved to facilitate a player that Philly would want, rather than what Wolves have to offer

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10008928-buddy-hield-trade-rumors-76ers-linked-amid-buzz-of-lakers-deal-involving-kyle-kuzma

i think philly was interested in buddy hield too. it would be easier to convince kings to trade hield than blazers trading lilliard, unless he demands the trade. Beasley and prince and Layman and a 2nd rder to Sac, Hield and Haliburton and couple 1sts to Philly. Ben Simmons to Min.