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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#81 » by Klomp » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:27 am

You talked about continuity, right? Think it's a coincidence Joe fell off the first two seasons that he didn't have Rudy in his career? Their two-man game was something truly special. Playing off of Joe, Rudy and Mike will be very beneficial for others.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#82 » by frankenwolf » Tue Jul 9, 2024 12:35 pm

If Miller can also floor space and you can play Miller with Conley/NAW/Naz/Karl/Miller then what is the downside? Or if that lineup doesn’t work for you how about RD/Ant/Naz/Miller/Rudy? Again if Miller can shoot the 3 and defend what is it about him that somehow stunts Ant and Jaden?


There is no downside if you play Miller with the starting lineup. There is no downside playing Miller with Dilly and them either, as long as Miller can shoot and play passible defense. I really think the Jingles is here to be another vet mentor and a 3 pt specialist. I don't look for him to play every game like Slo-mo did. I believe that the pre-season and the first part (quarter or so) of the season is getting the young guys playing time and seeing what they can do. Jingles is a safety valve in case something goes horribly wrong/long term injury. Finchy will figure it all out. I don't think bringing Jingles in is a championship this year kind of move, although he doesn't negate the possibility either. We are taking steps to prolong the championship window and there will be growing pains. I do not look for us to go 82-0 this year.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#83 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:37 pm

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If Miller can also floor space and you can play Miller with Conley/NAW/Naz/Karl/Miller then what is the downside? Or if that lineup doesn’t work for you how about RD/Ant/Naz/Miller/Rudy? Again if Miller can shoot the 3 and defend what is it about him that somehow stunts Ant and Jaden?


There is no downside if you play Miller with the starting lineup. There is no downside playing Miller with Dilly and them either, as long as Miller can shoot and play passible defense. I really think the Jingles is here to be another vet mentor and a 3 pt specialist. I don't look for him to play every game like Slo-mo did. I believe that the pre-season and the first part (quarter or so) of the season is getting the young guys playing time and seeing what they can do. Jingles is a safety valve in case something goes horribly wrong/long term injury. Finchy will figure it all out. I don't think bringing Jingles in is a championship this year kind of move, although he doesn't negate the possibility either. We are taking steps to prolong the championship window and there will be growing pains. I do not look for us to go 82-0 this year.[/quote]
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#84 » by frankenwolf » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:45 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:
If Miller can also floor space and you can play Miller with Conley/NAW/Naz/Karl/Miller then what is the downside? Or if that lineup doesn’t work for you how about RD/Ant/Naz/Miller/Rudy? Again if Miller can shoot the 3 and defend what is it about him that somehow stunts Ant and Jaden?


There is no downside if you play Miller with the starting lineup. There is no downside playing Miller with Dilly and them either, as long as Miller can shoot and play passible defense. I really think the Jingles is here to be another vet mentor and a 3 pt specialist. I don't look for him to play every game like Slo-mo did. I believe that the pre-season and the first part (quarter or so) of the season is getting the young guys playing time and seeing what they can do. Jingles is a safety valve in case something goes horribly wrong/long term injury. Finchy will figure it all out. I don't think bringing Jingles in is a championship this year kind of move, although he doesn't negate the possibility either. We are taking steps to prolong the championship window and there will be growing pains. I do not look for us to go 82-0 this year.[/quote]
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#85 » by NebWolvesFan » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:57 pm

I am pumped for summer league.

Here is my late June "my gut tells me" rotation

SF: McDaniels, Clark, Ingles, Minott
PF: Towns, Reid, Miller
C: Gobert, Towns, Garza
SG: Edwards, Shannon Jr.
PG: Conley, NAW, Dillingham, Dozier

I think NAW plays way more minutes as Conley's backup than Dillingham. Don't underestimate Finch's love for NAW. I still think Rob is a year and 10 pounds away. I think Clark will win back-up SF spot. I feel like Ingles plays way less than people think and that's fine. Shannon and Minott could steal wing minutes, but I need to see how they play in Vegas.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#86 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:05 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:I am pumped for summer league.

Here is my late June "my gut tells me" rotation

SF: McDaniels, Clark, Ingles, Minott
PF: Towns, Reid, Miller
C: Gobert, Towns, Garza
SG: Edwards, Shannon Jr.
PG: Conley, NAW, Dillingham, Dozier

I think NAW plays way more minutes as Conley's backup than Dillingham. Don't underestimate Finch's love for NAW. I still think Rob is a year and 10 pounds away. I think Clark will win back-up SF spot. I feel like Ingles plays way less than people think and that's fine. Shannon and Minott could steal wing minutes, but I need to see how they play in Vegas.

I think you will find yourself wrong about NAW getting more minutes than Dilly at PG. I don't see Clark at SF at all. He may win the #3 PG spot. Shannon will play ahead of Minott at SF the competition at backup SF will be between him and and Ingles.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#87 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:44 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
NebWolvesFan wrote:I am pumped for summer league.

Here is my late June "my gut tells me" rotation

SF: McDaniels, Clark, Ingles, Minott
PF: Towns, Reid, Miller
C: Gobert, Towns, Garza
SG: Edwards, Shannon Jr.
PG: Conley, NAW, Dillingham, Dozier

I think NAW plays way more minutes as Conley's backup than Dillingham. Don't underestimate Finch's love for NAW. I still think Rob is a year and 10 pounds away. I think Clark will win back-up SF spot. I feel like Ingles plays way less than people think and that's fine. Shannon and Minott could steal wing minutes, but I need to see how they play in Vegas.

I think you will find yourself wrong about NAW getting more minutes than Dilly at PG. I don't see Clark at SF at all. He may win the #3 PG spot. Shannon will play ahead of Minott at SF the competition at backup SF will be between him and and Ingles.


Clark is even less of a PG than he is a SF. He has the body of a SG and the PG skills of Rudy Gobert.

I'll be shocked if Clark doesn't spend the whole year in Iowa.

Hasn't played in a game in a year and a half and was just cleared for full basketball activities.

He's on a 2-way contract.

My guess is he plays in Iowa until/unless he proves he has enough offensive game that he has to be defended.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#88 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:53 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
NebWolvesFan wrote:I am pumped for summer league.

Here is my late June "my gut tells me" rotation

SF: McDaniels, Clark, Ingles, Minott
PF: Towns, Reid, Miller
C: Gobert, Towns, Garza
SG: Edwards, Shannon Jr.
PG: Conley, NAW, Dillingham, Dozier

I think NAW plays way more minutes as Conley's backup than Dillingham. Don't underestimate Finch's love for NAW. I still think Rob is a year and 10 pounds away. I think Clark will win back-up SF spot. I feel like Ingles plays way less than people think and that's fine. Shannon and Minott could steal wing minutes, but I need to see how they play in Vegas.

I think you will find yourself wrong about NAW getting more minutes than Dilly at PG. I don't see Clark at SF at all. He may win the #3 PG spot. Shannon will play ahead of Minott at SF the competition at backup SF will be between him and and Ingles.


Clark is even less of a PG than he is a SF. He has the body of a SG and the PG skills of Rudy Gobert.

I'll be shocked if Clark doesn't spend the whole year in Iowa.

Hasn't played in a game in a year and a half and was just cleared for full basketball activities.

He's on a 2-way contract.

My guess is he plays in Iowa until/unless he proves he has enough offensive game that he has to be defended.

I know he's more of a SG, but he can come in to lock down the opposing PG so I saw him being the #3 PG. I could certainly be wrong.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#89 » by minimus » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:02 pm

Klomp wrote:You talked about continuity, right? Think it's a coincidence Joe fell off the first two seasons that he didn't have Rudy in his career? Their two-man game was something truly special. Playing off of Joe, Rudy and Mike will be very beneficial for others.

This is something that might be an underrated aspect of Ingles signing. Jokes and memes aside Gobert, Ingles and Conley were part of elite NBA offense in UTA that progressed from top-9 in 2019-20 to top-4 in 2020-21 to the best NBA offense in 2021-22 (according to ORtg)

Last season we heard many times about structure, from Dane Moore to coaching staff. And we know that Finch wants free flow offense. From what I have seen UTA offense in his best season was exactly a hybrid offense structure + free flow. And the most interesting thing is that Conley and Ingles were two guys that were asked to be the biggest part of structure, while Mitchell, Clarkson and were creators. You can see how it aligns with MIN:

- same group Gobert-Conley-Ingles
- creators Ant-Towns-Dillingham-TSJ
- 3&D guys McDaniels, NAW and Clark

So if adding Ingles helps to add more integrity, it might be a sparkle that start engine of team offense. I say a sparkle because just like UTA did MIN must develop a group of scorers around Gobert.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#90 » by DaMplsKid » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:08 pm

Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#91 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:25 pm

DaMplsKid wrote:Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.


I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#92 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:06 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
DaMplsKid wrote:Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.


I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.

Yep. I see Shannon eating into NAW's minutes also.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#93 » by cmoss84 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 6:31 pm

PG
Conley 20 ---- RD 20 ---- NAW 5 ---- ANT 2 ---- Clark 1

SG
ANT 30 ---- NAW 14 ---- Ingles 2 ---- TSJ 1 ---- Clark 1

SF
Jaden 30 ---- TSJ 10 ---- Ingles 3 ---- ANT 2 ---- NAW 2 ---- MILLA TIME 1

PF
KAT 25 ---- NAZ 12 ---- Jaden 4 ---- Ingles 3 ---- TSJ 2 ---- MILLA TIME 1 ---- Garza 1

C
Rudy 30 ---- NAZ 10 ---- KAT 5 ---- Garza 2 ---- J. Edwards 1

Conley(20) RD(20) NAW(21) Rudy(30) KAT(30) ANT(34) Jaden(34)
TSJ(11) Ingles(8) Garza(3) Miller(2) Clark(2) J. Edwards(1)
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#94 » by Klomp » Tue Jul 9, 2024 7:25 pm

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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#95 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 7:58 pm

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I'm in favor of having one of Conley and Dilly on the court at all times, but two of them on court at the same time never.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#96 » by jpatrick » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:10 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
DaMplsKid wrote:Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.


I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.

Yep. I see Shannon eating into NAW's minutes also.


I hope he eats into his minutes. I 100% believe he was drafted as the NAW replacement (defensive bench wing) for when we likely lose NAW to free agency after this season.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#97 » by cmoss84 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:14 pm

Would you rather have KAT or NAZ and NAW? I think the rotation is better with the latter...+ returns on KAT.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#98 » by cmoss84 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:15 pm

Can you imagine getting another 2 solid rotation pieces? We'd be 10 deep.

Conley, Ant, Jaden, Naz, Rudy.
RD, NAW, TSJ, Ingles
2-3 from KAT trade
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Post#99 » by jpatrick » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:17 pm

cmoss84 wrote:Would you rather have KAT or NAZ and NAW? I think the rotation is better with the latter...+ returns on KAT.


This was my argument for making a Lauri for KAT swap. Although, Lauri will eventually cost only 6-7 million less than KAT, its delay is going into the second apron for a year, which is huge. We can do it one season, without a championship, I don’t see it happening in back-to-back years. I’d hope that would be enough wiggle room to retain NAZ/Naw.
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Re: Rotation thread 2024/2025 

Post#100 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:24 pm

cmoss84 wrote:Would you rather have KAT or NAZ and NAW? I think the rotation is better with the latter...+ returns on KAT.

I'd rather have KAT.

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