Updates on former Wolves

PharmD · Post #801 » by **PharmD** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:07 am

Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

TheProdigy · Post #802 » by **TheProdigy** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:02 am

PharmD wrote:Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

KGdaBom · Post #803 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:38 am

DaKidKG wrote:
PharmD wrote:Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

See where he is at by all star break before declaring Bjelica an all star.

MN7725 · Post #804 » by **MN7725** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:42 am

DaKidKG wrote:
PharmD wrote:Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

Bigger mistake was thinking he was a simple stretch PF while he was on team
Very skilled, all-around player the few times he was allowed to show it

AirP. · Post #805 » by **AirP.** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:30 pm

MN7725 wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:
PharmD wrote:Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

Bigger mistake was thinking he was a simple stretch PF while he was on team
Very skilled, all-around player the few times he was allowed to show it

His role is different in Sacramento, his 3pt shooting is as big of a need in Sacramento since they have 3 players already making 2+ 3s a game at this point. Minnesota had to use Towns and Wiggins as 3pt threats more then you'd like because of lack of 3pt shooting on the team last year. When you can acquire an all-nba player like Butler but aren't allowed to move the opposite wing who can't really shoot 3s, it makes you have to alter the way you use the guys who can actually shoot 3s.

The roster after the Butler trade is way more balanced, even with Wiggins doing even worse at this point, the team overall is doing better because you have a better fit of players even if they're not perfect fits. When Saric does become a starter(more diverse offense, less defense), it would be interesting to see Okogie(good defense, could be a solid offensive player in time) start at SG next to Covington to see how that starting lineup would work.

AirP. · Post #806 » by **AirP.** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:30 pm

Read on Twitter

minimus · Post #807 » by **minimus** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:40 pm

AirP. wrote:

Read on Twitter

So dumb. They needed 2pt.

Neal25 · Post #808 » by **Neal25** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:06 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:
PharmD wrote:Bjelly had another game without missing a shot. In the same game Rubio carried the Jazz to victory.

Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

See where he is at by all star break before declaring Bjelica an all star.

Nobody is calling Bjelica an all-star. We´re just saying, and I think all of Wolves fans agree, he was underutilized here. He´s more than a shooter.

KGdaBom · Post #809 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:14 pm

Neal25 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:Bjelica is the #4 ranked PF in the league according to RPM. He's #16 overall in the league. Looks like we made a mistake letting him go boys. Not surprised...

See where he is at by all star break before declaring Bjelica an all star.

Nobody is calling Bjelica an all-star. We´re just saying, and I think all of Wolves fans agree, he was underutilized here. He´s more than a shooter.

I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

TheProdigy · Post #810 » by **TheProdigy** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:28 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:See where he is at by all star break before declaring Bjelica an all star.

Nobody is calling Bjelica an all-star. We´re just saying, and I think all of Wolves fans agree, he was underutilized here. He´s more than a shooter.

I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

KGdaBom · Post #811 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:35 pm

DaKidKG wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
Nobody is calling Bjelica an all-star. We´re just saying, and I think all of Wolves fans agree, he was underutilized here. He´s more than a shooter.

I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

The results on another team can't prove anything. They can give an indication of what might have happened if he remained with the Wolves but nothing more than that whether for better or for worse. His early results were ridiculously good. More recently they have been very up and down. A lot of it due to his minutes being limited. If he were still on the Wolves I am guessing his fate would be the same as Tolliver.

TheProdigy · Post #812 » by **TheProdigy** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:09 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

The results on another team can't prove anything. They can give an indication of what might have happened if he remained with the Wolves but nothing more than that whether for better or for worse. His early results were ridiculously good. More recently they have been very up and down. A lot of it due to his minutes being limited. If he were still on the Wolves I am guessing his fate would be the same as Tolliver.

So if I understand you correctly, you think letting go of Bjelica was the right move because our coach was unable to utilize him correctly so it doesn't matter? That seems like an awfully short sighted view of things, especially since it's not even guaranteed Thibs is around next season.

Bjelica is simply more talented than Tolliver, and he's younger. Dollar for dollar, he is the superior player. The one thing Tolliver might do better is 3 point shooting, and even that is debateable since Bjelica actually has a higher 3 pt% in his career.

Post #813 » by **Klomp** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:20 pm

DaKidKG wrote:So if I understand you correctly, you think letting go of Bjelica was the right move because our coach was unable to utilize him correctly so it doesn't matter? That seems like an awfully short sighted view of things, especially since it's not even guaranteed Thibs is around next season.

Bjelica is simply more talented than Tolliver, and he's younger. Dollar for dollar, he is the superior player. The one thing Tolliver might do better is 3 point shooting, and even that is debateable since Bjelica actually has a higher 3 pt% in his career.

You can't really do dollar-for-dollar because their contracts are different. From what I've heard, the team offered Bjeli a contract before signing Tolliver. He turned them down.

minimus · Post #814 » by **minimus** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:33 pm

Klomp wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:So if I understand you correctly, you think letting go of Bjelica was the right move because our coach was unable to utilize him correctly so it doesn't matter? That seems like an awfully short sighted view of things, especially since it's not even guaranteed Thibs is around next season.

Bjelica is simply more talented than Tolliver, and he's younger. Dollar for dollar, he is the superior player. The one thing Tolliver might do better is 3 point shooting, and even that is debateable since Bjelica actually has a higher 3 pt% in his career.

You can't really do dollar-for-dollar because their contracts are different. From what I've heard, the team offered Bjeli a contract before signing Tolliver. He turned them down.

If I am not mistaken it was one year offer. Anyway SAC has offered just 20.5 mil for 3 yrs with 3rd year non guaranteed. So clearly Thibs did not offer anything worth.

Post #815 » by **Klomp** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:54 pm

minimus wrote:If I am not mistaken it was one year offer.

Which is what Tolliver also got. So obviously Thibs didn't value Tolliver more than Bjelica like some have claimed.

minimus · Post #816 » by **minimus** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:57 pm

Klomp wrote:
minimus wrote:If I am not mistaken it was one year offer.

Which is what Tolliver also got. So obviously Thibs didn't value Tolliver more than Bjelica like some have claimed.

That's clear because AT doesn't play at all.

KGdaBom · Post #817 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:40 am

DaKidKG wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

The results on another team can't prove anything. They can give an indication of what might have happened if he remained with the Wolves but nothing more than that whether for better or for worse. His early results were ridiculously good. More recently they have been very up and down. A lot of it due to his minutes being limited. If he were still on the Wolves I am guessing his fate would be the same as Tolliver.

So if I understand you correctly, you think letting go of Bjelica was the right move because our coach was unable to utilize him correctly so it doesn't matter? That seems like an awfully short sighted view of things, especially since it's not even guaranteed Thibs is around next season.

Bjelica is simply more talented than Tolliver, and he's younger. Dollar for dollar, he is the superior player. The one thing Tolliver might do better is 3 point shooting, and even that is debateable since Bjelica actually has a higher 3 pt% in his career.

You don't understand me correctly. I never said anything of the sort. Find anything I ever said that letting Bjelica go was the right move and it would be news to me. Take my words regarding Bjelica in my last post literally. That is all I mean. No more or less.

GopherIt! · Post #818 » by **GopherIt!** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:45 pm

DaKidKG wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
Nobody is calling Bjelica an all-star. We´re just saying, and I think all of Wolves fans agree, he was underutilized here. He´s more than a shooter.

I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

resigning Belly at 5/15M ought to have been no brainer. yet Thibs/Layden had no problem giving Dieng 16M and Taj 14M.

fattymcgee · Post #819 » by **fattymcgee** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:12 pm

GopherIt! wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I agree with you. I just don't think Bjelica was ever going to move the needle as they say.

The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

resigning Belly at 5/15M ought to have been no brainer. yet Thibs/Layden had no problem giving Dieng 16M and Taj 14M.

You want to pay Belly $15M per year? :crazy:

It seems everyone has forgotten how he was afraid to shoot the wide-open 3 the last couple years. He showed stretches of being a good player but he also went long stretches of doing nothing and passing up open shots which totally effed up the offense.

I wanted to keep him, but losing him didn't really hurt us and if Butler was still here (he was still here when Belly signed) then Belly would rarely have a chance to be a ball handler as the offense went thru Butler, Teague, Towns, and Wiggs (and now Rose) before it would go thru Belly.

minimus · Post #820 » by **minimus** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:44 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
GopherIt! wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:The results so far are proving otherwise. We'll check back on this mid-season to see if he can keep it up. I think he'll settle in around #10 RPM ranking, which is still really good.

resigning Belly at 5/15M ought to have been no brainer. yet Thibs/Layden had no problem giving Dieng 16M and Taj 14M.

You want to pay Belly $15M per year?

It seems everyone has forgotten how he was afraid to shoot the wide-open 3 the last couple years. He showed stretches of being a good player but he also went long stretches of doing nothing and passing up open shots which totally effed up the offense.

I wanted to keep him, but losing him didn't really hurt us and if Butler was still here (he was still here when Belly signed) then Belly would rarely have a chance to be a ball handler as the offense went thru Butler, Teague, Towns, and Wiggs (and now Rose) before it would go thru Belly.

15mil/3yrs.

Bjelica should have played stretch PF, 25 minutes with KAT. Instead Thibs stucked with Dieng and Taj contracts. Then he gave AT a bit more than other teams on market just to sit him last games. Genius move.