The Rob Dillingham Thread

[winforlose]

Gotta ask, should we send Rob to Iowa. He isn’t exactly helpful most games, and we don’t have many games to spare. Would 35+ minutes a night help develop him more than 15 bad ones with the big team?

[Loaf_of_bread]

Gotta ask, should we send Rob to Iowa. He isn’t exactly helpful most games, and we don’t have many games to spare. Would 35+ minutes a night help develop him more than 15 bad ones with the big team?

If mike can play 25 minutes at a high level, i say yes..

Without Mike i think i grit my teeth and go through rob's growing pains. We need pg play.. naw is not that guy.

[winforlose]

Gotta ask, should we send Rob to Iowa. He isn’t exactly helpful most games, and we don’t have many games to spare. Would 35+ minutes a night help develop him more than 15 bad ones with the big team?

If mike can play 25 minutes at a high level, i say yes..

Without Mike i think i grit my teeth and go through rob's growing pains. We need pg play.. naw is not that guy.

True, but neither is Dilly. He isn’t in growing pains, he is in flat out failure mode. For every one good game he has 5 or more bad ones. His body isn’t ready, his skills are not there, his defense isn’t ready, ect… I have high hopes for Dilly, but I think he has proven by now this is not his time. Maybe we sign someone or even use Jingles for 10 MPG at the PG. Randle and Ant kinda split those minutes/responsibilities anyway. Dilly will not be playable in the playoffs, and I don’t know that these minutes of looking bad, shooting bad, defending badly, and getting humiliated are good for his development.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Gotta ask, should we send Rob to Iowa. He isn’t exactly helpful most games, and we don’t have many games to spare. Would 35+ minutes a night help develop him more than 15 bad ones with the big team?

If mike can play 25 minutes at a high level, i say yes..

Without Mike i think i grit my teeth and go through rob's growing pains. We need pg play.. naw is not that guy.

True, but neither is Dilly. He isn’t in growing pains, he is in flat out failure mode. For every one good game he has 5 or more bad ones. His body isn’t ready, his skills are not there, his defense isn’t ready, ect… I have high hopes for Dilly, but I think he has proven by now this is not his time. Maybe we sign someone or even use Jingles for 10 MPG at the PG. Randle and Ant kinda split those minutes/responsibilities anyway. Dilly will not be playable in the playoffs, and I don’t know that these minutes of looking bad, shooting bad, defending badly, and getting humiliated are good for his development.

I hear you, but personally would like to see a bit more run with Mike out.. also, for the fact we aren't looking to be competitive in the postseason anyway..

If rob struggles over the next few weeks, then, yes.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Gotta ask, should we send Rob to Iowa. He isn’t exactly helpful most games, and we don’t have many games to spare. Would 35+ minutes a night help develop him more than 15 bad ones with the big team?

If mike can play 25 minutes at a high level, i say yes..

Without Mike i think i grit my teeth and go through rob's growing pains. We need pg play.. naw is not that guy.

True, but neither is Dilly. He isn’t in growing pains, he is in flat out failure mode. For every one good game he has 5 or more bad ones. His body isn’t ready, his skills are not there, his defense isn’t ready, ect… I have high hopes for Dilly, but I think he has proven by now this is not his time. Maybe we sign someone or even use Jingles for 10 MPG at the PG. Randle and Ant kinda split those minutes/responsibilities anyway. Dilly will not be playable in the playoffs, and I don’t know that these minutes of looking bad, shooting bad, defending badly, and getting humiliated are good for his development.

I think Joe at PG was pretty good tonight. He pass well and he can shoot if he play more and find his rhythm. We will enter after ASB in the money time where if we want to be in the PO, we have to make a run. For that Dilly is not good enough right now. Let him develop in G League and next year , give him 15-18 min each game if he is ready.

[minimus]

I have not checked numbers but it looks like Rob's finishing at rim has been improving.

[TheZachAttack]

I have not checked numbers but it looks like Rob's finishing at rim has been improving.

I agree. His jump shot has been off, but I almost feel like it’s a product of (1) a limited role and limited volume (2) lack of confidence from the way Finch pulls the leash anytime he tries to play aggressively and outside of flow.

He’s gotten really good at using his speed and getting to the rim. I’ve noticed he has stopped playing as flashy and trying to get to spots in the middle of the floor and behind the 3 point line and pulling up. When he’s been at his best, he’s showing off his patience and touch and handles.

I guess it’s good to see he can simplify his game to fit into a role. I just really think his ability to put defenses on their heels is important for the Wolves to have on the floor.

[minimus]

Better Brandon Jennings?

[Guest84]

Better Brandon Jennings?

No. Could be down the road but not currently. Remember, BJ came out like gang busters but didn't his injury slow him down?

[Guest84]

I have not checked numbers but it looks like Rob's finishing at rim has been improving.

I agree. His jump shot has been off, but I almost feel like it’s a product of (1) a limited role and limited volume (2) lack of confidence from the way Finch pulls the leash anytime he tries to play aggressively and outside of flow.

He’s gotten really good at using his speed and getting to the rim. I’ve noticed he has stopped playing as flashy and trying to get to spots in the middle of the floor and behind the 3 point line and pulling up. When he’s been at his best, he’s showing off his patience and touch and handles.

I guess it’s good to see he can simplify his game to fit into a role. I just really think his ability to put defenses on their heels is important for the Wolves to have on the floor.

While I do believe his limited minutes are affecting his productivity, his shot mechanics are a bit funky. The further away from the basket he is, he flails his legs. Idk if he's trying to draw fouls or simply trying to avoid injury. Could be him trying to generate more power due to a lack strength as well. Just my guess

[TheZachAttack]

I have not checked numbers but it looks like Rob's finishing at rim has been improving.

I agree. His jump shot has been off, but I almost feel like it’s a product of (1) a limited role and limited volume (2) lack of confidence from the way Finch pulls the leash anytime he tries to play aggressively and outside of flow.

He’s gotten really good at using his speed and getting to the rim. I’ve noticed he has stopped playing as flashy and trying to get to spots in the middle of the floor and behind the 3 point line and pulling up. When he’s been at his best, he’s showing off his patience and touch and handles.

I guess it’s good to see he can simplify his game to fit into a role. I just really think his ability to put defenses on their heels is important for the Wolves to have on the floor.

While I do believe his limited minutes are affecting his productivity, his shot mechanics are a bit funky. The further away from the basket he is, he flails his legs. Idk if he's trying to draw fouls or simply trying to avoid injury. Could be him trying to generate more power due to a lack strength as well. Just my guess

He's a shotmaker rather than a pure shooter. I think he might be a little bit streaky, he's definitely a feel player. This is why I think he's better in a higher volume role than a limited one. Similar concept to why Jaden is better when more involved and in a bigger role.

[Loaf_of_bread]

I agree. His jump shot has been off, but I almost feel like it’s a product of (1) a limited role and limited volume (2) lack of confidence from the way Finch pulls the leash anytime he tries to play aggressively and outside of flow.

He’s gotten really good at using his speed and getting to the rim. I’ve noticed he has stopped playing as flashy and trying to get to spots in the middle of the floor and behind the 3 point line and pulling up. When he’s been at his best, he’s showing off his patience and touch and handles.

I guess it’s good to see he can simplify his game to fit into a role. I just really think his ability to put defenses on their heels is important for the Wolves to have on the floor.

While I do believe his limited minutes are affecting his productivity, his shot mechanics are a bit funky. The further away from the basket he is, he flails his legs. Idk if he's trying to draw fouls or simply trying to avoid injury. Could be him trying to generate more power due to a lack strength as well. Just my guess

He's a shotmaker rather than a pure shooter. I think he might be a little bit streaky, he's definitely a feel player. This is why I think he's better in a higher volume role than a limited one. Similar concept to why Jaden is better when more involved and in a bigger role.

Well one can't get to a higher volume role without proving themselves first.. unless maybe he plays for the hornets..

[TheZachAttack]

While I do believe his limited minutes are affecting his productivity, his shot mechanics are a bit funky. The further away from the basket he is, he flails his legs. Idk if he's trying to draw fouls or simply trying to avoid injury. Could be him trying to generate more power due to a lack strength as well. Just my guess

He's a shotmaker rather than a pure shooter. I think he might be a little bit streaky, he's definitely a feel player. This is why I think he's better in a higher volume role than a limited one. Similar concept to why Jaden is better when more involved and in a bigger role.

Well one can't get to a higher volume role without proving themselves first.. unless maybe he plays for the hornets..

I mean he's played pretty well for most of the year. Occasionally he's missed shots and occasionally he's had some bad turnovers, but generally his processing, pace, and 2-man decision making is always really good. The issue is lack of opportunity and a coach who is more comfortable trying to compete with the veteran Conley over some of the rookie moments that come with Dillingham. The probable bigger issue even outside of the rookie moments is just the way in certain games despite him putting a lot of effort he can get overwhelmed defensively. Generally, I think his defense has been better than expected and he will gain strength as he matures -- but this is probably the biggest reason his minutes are small.

I'm not sure we're going to see what we want this season, but I think next season with an offseason of training and the realization about Conley's age/decline we will see a 20+mpg role for Rob next year with Conley assuming the Ingles role.

[Loaf_of_bread]

He's a shotmaker rather than a pure shooter. I think he might be a little bit streaky, he's definitely a feel player. This is why I think he's better in a higher volume role than a limited one. Similar concept to why Jaden is better when more involved and in a bigger role.

Well one can't get to a higher volume role without proving themselves first.. unless maybe he plays for the hornets..

I mean he's played pretty well for most of the year. Occasionally he's missed shots and occasionally he's had some bad turnovers, but generally his processing, pace, and 2-man decision making is always really good. The issue is lack of opportunity and a coach who is more comfortable trying to compete with the veteran Conley over some of the rookie moments that come with Dillingham.

For sure, id like to see him get at least 10 minutes a night. The thought though that a guy cannot get into a rhythm without extended minutes is just goofy though.. got to earn playing time.

[Klomp]

I mean he's played pretty well for most of the year. Occasionally he's missed shots and occasionally he's had some bad turnovers, but generally his processing, pace, and 2-man decision making is always really good.

And the other end of the court?

[TheZachAttack]

I mean he's played pretty well for most of the year. Occasionally he's missed shots and occasionally he's had some bad turnovers, but generally his processing, pace, and 2-man decision making is always really good.

And the other end of the court?

I commented on that. My personal opinion is that he does give a lot of effort. He does get overwhelmed though in certain matchups, hunted, and struggles to fight through screens. I would counter and say this version of Mike Conley has the same issues with less of the upside of Rob.

[Klomp]

I mean he's played pretty well for most of the year. Occasionally he's missed shots and occasionally he's had some bad turnovers, but generally his processing, pace, and 2-man decision making is always really good.

And the other end of the court?

I commented on that. My personal opinion is that he does give a lot of effort. He does get overwhelmed though in certain matchups, hunted, and struggles to fight through screens. I would counter and say this version of Mike Conley has the same issues with less of the upside of Rob.

So, you are choosing the best of Rob over the worst of Mike. How brave.

[TheZachAttack]

And the other end of the court?

I commented on that. My personal opinion is that he does give a lot of effort. He does get overwhelmed though in certain matchups, hunted, and struggles to fight through screens. I would counter and say this version of Mike Conley has the same issues with less of the upside of Rob.

So, you are choosing the best of Rob over the worst of Mike. How brave.

I don't know what this means and I'm not trying to be brave or not brave -- I am just stating my opinion. Yes, my personal opinion is that Rob's upside, speed, rim pressure, and shotmaking is worth switching Conley and Rob's role. Both players have some strength and also flaws. If you'd rather play Conley, good for you. We aren't going to contend in the playoffs playing this version of Mike Conley 20-25 min or more a game. Given Conley's level of play this year, I think choosing to bet on Rob's upside nets you a better chance of becoming a team that takes a step forward from where they are now. I think it's more likely than Conley doing that because he doesn't have much athletism.

If you like Conley over Rob, happy for you. it's pretty clear he will have a role and Rob will not this season. So, you'll get your wish.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Mike is slowing down for sure. but he is still much better than Rob except to attack the rim. Last 18 games he make 40 3 on 80 attempts ( 50%). Rob in the same times on the last 18 games he play, he make 15 3 on 46 (32.6%)... same go for the assists. I am on the side of playing more Rob next year ( 15-18 min par games) but now we try to make a run and we need play making and Mike shoot.
I just hope Finch keep limiting Mike min at 20-24 in the regular season, no B2B, give min to Rob until regular season ended.

At least, i do not understand why many people believe here we have no chance in the PO this year. If all players are near 100% when PO start, we can beat any team.

[Domejandro]

I do not agree that Rob Dillingham has been a net-positive offensively.