Free Agency Thread

[Klomp]

Any interest in Sekou Doumbouya?

If players who put up good stats on a bad team have little value what do players who put up bad stats on bad teams have.

I actually tried to talk myself into a Layman or Okogie for Sekou/Okofor and a first if the Pistons were desperate to get off of bad contracts and Minnesota wanted more draft ammunition for a Simmons trade, but the Pistons do not have a lot of upcoming draft picks. I don't see Minnesota and Detroit as good trade partners.

That's pretty good analysis. I thought a swap for Culver might've been a possibility, but not really interested in giving up much more than that kind of offer.

[theGreatRC]

I'd sign Rondae Hollis Jefferson or Harry Giles for training camp invites...2 intriguing names that could take that 15th spot

[NebWolvesFan]

My two guys I wouldn't mind getting training camp invites are Tyler Johnson and Stanley Johnson. I think Tyler is better than JMac - more experienced and would be willing to take a one-year deal to be the third PG. I think JMac wants a multi-year deal. Tyler has played for some solid coaches and shoots better than you think (career 36 % from 3).

Stanley Johnson's stats look a lot like Okogie's. Decent D, can guard multiple positions, but can't really shot. The difference is Stanley would play for the minimum while Josh costs 4 million. Minnesota could trade Okogie and sign Johnson, which saves 2.5 million and I don't think the Wolves lose much.

I'm not saying either Johnson makes the rotation or even the roster, but I'd like to see them get a training camp look.

[shrink]

I heard in a podcast that MIN is one of six teams that have contacted Paul Millsap. Unfortunately, none of these teams have offered more than the vet min, and that’s important to Milsap. It also sounds like he wants to go to a team where he’s have a role, not be the fifth big. It’s possible Millsap will sign with someone after training camp (so he doesn’t have to go), but he could wait until the season has started or even months later.

[Biff Cooper]

Anthony Tolliver (if he can't get a deal from a contender) could be a decent option as a low usage 3&D SF/PF. Might get us back in the good graces of the TimberTrolls as well.

[zDank]

The only FA I have a real interest in signing right now is Isaiah Hartenstein. He is a legit 7 footer that offers a different skill set than Naz at the backup center spot and gives us more lineup flexibility to slide Naz down to the 4 spot when we want to play big.

But reportedly the Nets have interest so he probably signs there for the minimum :/

[NebWolvesFan]

The only FA I have a real interest in signing right now is Isaiah Hartenstein. He is a legit 7 footer that offers a different skill set than Naz at the backup center spot and gives us more lineup flexibility to slide Naz down to the 4 spot when we want to play big.

But reportedly the Nets have interest so he probably signs there for the minimum :/

Minnesota isn't likely to sign anyone until Vando's deal is finalized. If Vando takes the QO, I could see Minnesota reaching out to Hartenstein. Of course, I think that about all former Rockets or Nets. If Vando gets 5 mill on a multi-year deal, the Wolves won't have the money to offer a deal that would change his mind about going to the Nets.

[SO_MONEY]

The only FA I have a real interest in signing right now is Isaiah Hartenstein. He is a legit 7 footer that offers a different skill set than Naz at the backup center spot and gives us more lineup flexibility to slide Naz down to the 4 spot when we want to play big.

But reportedly the Nets have interest so he probably signs there for the minimum :/

Minnesota isn't likely to sign anyone until Vando's deal is finalized. If Vando takes the QO, I could see Minnesota reaching out to Hartenstein. Of course, I think that about all former Rockets or Nets. If Vando gets 5 mill on a multi-year deal, the Wolves won't have the money to offer a deal that would change his mind about going to the Nets.

Wolves are not giving Vando $5mil.

[shangrila]

I heard in a podcast that MIN is one of six teams that have contacted Paul Millsap. Unfortunately, none of these teams have offered more than the vet min, and that’s important to Milsap. It also sounds like he wants to go to a team where he’s have a role, not be the fifth big. It’s possible Millsap will sign with someone after training camp (so he doesn’t have to go), but he could wait until the season has started or even months later.

I’d give him more than the vet min.

Not much more, but if it’s like 3-4mil? Why not?

[SO_MONEY]

I heard in a podcast that MIN is one of six teams that have contacted Paul Millsap. Unfortunately, none of these teams have offered more than the vet min, and that’s important to Milsap. It also sounds like he wants to go to a team where he’s have a role, not be the fifth big. It’s possible Millsap will sign with someone after training camp (so he doesn’t have to go), but he could wait until the season has started or even months later.

I’d give him more than the vet min.

Not much more, but if it’s like 3-4mil? Why not?

If we can get Vando at minimum and a second player as well, you could sign him at slightly above and hope to flip him at the deadline...I guess. But I think he is pretty much done.

[Klomp]

I heard in a podcast that MIN is one of six teams that have contacted Paul Millsap. Unfortunately, none of these teams have offered more than the vet min, and that’s important to Milsap. It also sounds like he wants to go to a team where he’s have a role, not be the fifth big. It’s possible Millsap will sign with someone after training camp (so he doesn’t have to go), but he could wait until the season has started or even months later.

I’d give him more than the vet min.

Not much more, but if it’s like 3-4mil? Why not?

Keep in mind HIS minimum as a 15-year vet is around $3 million already. Add this to the Minnesota tax and not settling for the minimum and I'm guessing he wouldn't come for under a Hernangomez salary.

(Vanderbilt's minimum is roughly half of Millsap's minimum)

[SmokeyPaw]

I heard in a podcast that MIN is one of six teams that have contacted Paul Millsap. Unfortunately, none of these teams have offered more than the vet min, and that’s important to Milsap. It also sounds like he wants to go to a team where he’s have a role, not be the fifth big. It’s possible Millsap will sign with someone after training camp (so he doesn’t have to go), but he could wait until the season has started or even months later.

I’d give him more than the vet min.

Not much more, but if it’s like 3-4mil? Why not?

Keep in mind HIS minimum as a 15-year vet is around $3 million already. Add this to the Minnesota tax and not settling for the minimum and I'm guessing he wouldn't come for under a Hernangomez salary.

(Vanderbilt's minimum is roughly half of Millsap's minimum)

The vet min for millsap would be 2,641,691 with 1,669,178 counting against the cap. I'm assuming that if he gets above the minimum then it all counts against the cap ie 3 million salary = 3 million cap hit.

[Klomp]

I’d give him more than the vet min.

Not much more, but if it’s like 3-4mil? Why not?

Keep in mind HIS minimum as a 15-year vet is around $3 million already. Add this to the Minnesota tax and not settling for the minimum and I'm guessing he wouldn't come for under a Hernangomez salary.

(Vanderbilt's minimum is roughly half of Millsap's minimum)

The vet min for millsap would be 2,641,691 with 1,669,178 counting against the cap. I'm assuming that if he gets above the minimum then it all counts against the cap ie 3 million salary = 3 million cap hit.

As I said, roughly $3 million is his minimum (players don't care about what counts against the salary cap), and he's wanting more from championship teams. Maybe he would come for a little less than Hernangomez ($6,907,815) money, but I doubt it. I'm guessing he's looking for at minimum the room exception ($4,767,000) from those teams, which means his asking price here would probably be $6-7 million at least.

[FinnTheHuman]

Keep in mind HIS minimum as a 15-year vet is around $3 million already. Add this to the Minnesota tax and not settling for the minimum and I'm guessing he wouldn't come for under a Hernangomez salary.

(Vanderbilt's minimum is roughly half of Millsap's minimum)

The vet min for millsap would be 2,641,691 with 1,669,178 counting against the cap. I'm assuming that if he gets above the minimum then it all counts against the cap ie 3 million salary = 3 million cap hit.

As I said, roughly $3 million is his minimum (players don't care about what counts against the salary cap), and he's wanting more from championship teams. Maybe he would come for a little less than Hernangomez ($6,907,815) money, but I doubt it. I'm guessing he's looking for at minimum the room exception ($4,767,000) from those teams, which means his asking price here would probably be $6-7 million at least.

Why do you think that we need to throw more money at him than contenders? He can actually be promised to start here and play a lot of minutes, while he’s a low minutes bench player or even the 5th/6th big on most other teams. Maybe it’s us who are the favorites to get him if everybody’s offering him the same money.

And I wouldn’t agree that he’s due Hernangomez money, just like Hernangomez shouldn’t have been, Hernangomez contract was Rosas’ blunder and he played like a vet minimum guy at best last season, so idk why you’re using it as a benchmark for anything when it’s an obvious overpay. Millsap got 10mil/1 year from Denver last season and he didn’t justify that money from them. Everybody saw that, and nobody is throwing 2/3 of that money at him, he’s not some guy who’s just had a down season with hopes of a comeback year, he’s turning 37 in February. He’s not being offered more than 5 mil imo.

[Klomp]

Why do you think that we need to throw more money at him than contenders? He can actually be promised to start here and play a lot of minutes, while he’s a low minutes bench player or even the 5th/6th big on most other teams. Maybe it’s us who are the favorites to get him if everybody’s offering him the same money.

Maybe because I live in reality....

Sure it's possible that it could happen. But if it did, he would be the first....

[FinnTheHuman]

Why do you think that we need to throw more money at him than contenders? He can actually be promised to start here and play a lot of minutes, while he’s a low minutes bench player or even the 5th/6th big on most other teams. Maybe it’s us who are the favorites to get him if everybody’s offering him the same money.

Maybe because I live in reality....

Sure it's possible that it could happen. But if it did, he would be the first....

Not true. F.e. Jerami Grant went to a worse team last year for the same money, just because of minutes/role. Denver wanted to match the RFA offer, he asked them not to. You have a lot of players just wanting to have a bigger role for the same money on a weaker team, because they love to play or are too proud to warm the bench while the others play. You’re arguing like it’s you who doesn’t want Millsap, and pretending that it’s him who doesn’t want us

[Klomp]

Why do you think that we need to throw more money at him than contenders? He can actually be promised to start here and play a lot of minutes, while he’s a low minutes bench player or even the 5th/6th big on most other teams. Maybe it’s us who are the favorites to get him if everybody’s offering him the same money.

Maybe because I live in reality....

Sure it's possible that it could happen. But if it did, he would be the first....

Not true. F.e. Jerami Grant went to a worse team last year for the same money, just because of minutes/role. Denver wanted to match the RFA offer, he asked them not to. You have a lot of players just wanting to have a bigger role for the same money on a weaker team, because they love to play or are too proud to warm the bench while the others play. You’re arguing like it’s you who doesn’t want Millsap, and pretending that it’s him who doesn’t want us

Those cases are very different. Jerami Grant was still only 26 years old and he was a RFA. He's got multiple longterm contracts to think about, so role becomes a bigger priority, especially on a team as deep as Denver was. Millsap is 36. He's started plenty of games. What he probably wants now is to win.

Again, it's possible that he could choose a minimum in Minnesota over a minimum on a title contender. But as I said, he would be the first to do so.

[FinnTheHuman]

Maybe because I live in reality....

Sure it's possible that it could happen. But if it did, he would be the first....

Not true. F.e. Jerami Grant went to a worse team last year for the same money, just because of minutes/role. Denver wanted to match the RFA offer, he asked them not to. You have a lot of players just wanting to have a bigger role for the same money on a weaker team, because they love to play or are too proud to warm the bench while the others play. You’re arguing like it’s you who doesn’t want Millsap, and pretending that it’s him who doesn’t want us

Those cases are very different. Jerami Grant was still only 26 years old and he was a RFA. He's got multiple longterm contracts to think about, so role becomes a bigger priority, especially on a team as deep as Denver was. Millsap is 36. He's started plenty of games. What he probably wants now is to win.

Again, it's possible that he could choose a minimum in Minnesota over a minimum on a title contender. But as I said, he would be the first to do so.

None of the guys in Millsap's situation get offered such a difference in role on a contender vs a non-contender, so that might be one of the key reasons they simply go for the better team. It potentially wouldn't make a difference to him if we offered him 20 min as opposed to a contender offering him 12-15 min, but our situation is very specific because of the gigantic hole in our PF rotation, which might be what attracts him. And we can offer more than the minimum, which I doubt anybody else would. Offer him 4 million and he's ours I feel.

[minimus]

As worst case scenario, I'd trade Okogie and Layman for Aminu. Sign Harry Giles, resign Vando.

KAT/Reid/Gilles + Knight
Vando/Aminu/MCD
MCD/Prince/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

If Aminu can stay healthy he is can be that consistent veteran presence for our young bigs. Gilles is a mobile, athletic big who still still has potential.

[SO_MONEY]

As worst case scenario, I'd trade Okogie and Layman for Aminu. Sign Harry Giles, resign Vando.

KAT/Reid/Gilles + Knight
Vando/Aminu/MCD
MCD/Prince/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

If Aminu can stay healthy he is can be that consistent veteran presence for our young bigs. Gilles is a mobile, athletic big who still still has potential.

I could get behind that trade if small incentive were included because we are taking on an extra $2mil and things are tight.