Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

The only trade I see Gupta giving up at this point is Beasely, Beverley and Layman and like 3 FRPs for Simmons.

Anything more is not worth it.

F that.

Bev is untouchable and the amount of picks goes down now.


This team is cohesive. I’m not a Beas fan at all and even I’m reluctant to trade him at this juncture.

A washed 33 year old point guard who averaged 7/3/2 is untouchable for a perennial All-Star/DPOTY candidate in his prime?

lmao.

That’s quite the title for Simmons you gave him when the market for a DPOTY/All-star candidate is pennies on the dollar.


Why give up an absolute dog on defense and a valuable veteran presence?


Lmao

[kono]

F that.

Bev is untouchable and the amount of picks goes down now.


This team is cohesive. I’m not a Beas fan at all and even I’m reluctant to trade him at this juncture.

A washed 33 year old point guard who averaged 7/3/2 is untouchable for a perennial All-Star/DPOTY candidate in his prime?

lmao.

That’s quite the title for Simmons you gave him when the market for a DPOTY/All-star candidate is pennies on the dollar.


Why give up an absolute dog on defense and a valuable veteran presence?


Lmao

You're out of your mind if you think Bev is untouchable in a trade for Simmons.

His defense has significantly decline from a few years ago.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Ok I probably knee jerked that response. But I’m sure he’s been in 5 different proposals to Philly which they all were declined so

[shrink]

.. for a perennial All-Star/DPOTY candidate in his prime?

So now you can be a DPOY candidate, and also reject running a defensive drill in practice?

[minimus]

.. for a perennial All-Star/DPOTY candidate in his prime?

So now you can be a DPOY candidate, and also reject running a defensive drill in practice?

You can be DPOY candidate and run your own defensive drill in practice. Just need to call Rachel before this practice

[Domejandro]

The only trade I see Gupta giving up at this point is Beasely, Beverley and Layman and like 3 FRPs for Simmons.

Anything more is not worth it.

Gupta doesn't have the job security to trade picks in 24 or 26. Lore/Arod/Taylor will need those picks to sell a potential replacement on taking the Minnesota job. I also don't think Finch wants to trade Beverley. I say Prince/Beasley/JMac/one first is the max.

The Sixers don't have roster space for three players. They would have to add players into the deal which would throw Minnesota deep into the tax. I think Minnesota is out.

Sachin Gupta has full permission to reach a trade, which would then have to be accepted by both teams’ ownership. The “he doesn’t have control” talking point has been rebuked by every Minnesota writer.

[Domejandro]

And of course we would trade Patrick Beverly for Ben Simmons, come on now.

[FinnTheHuman]

And of course we would trade Patrick Beverly for Ben Simmons, come on now.

I'd personally trade DLo and a couple of top 8 protected 1sts for Simmons, and I think it's not us who didn't make an offer like this, it's Philly who refused it. Let's hope their situation gets bad enough that they decide to take an offer of this kind. So when people here pop up with the old "Sweet lemon, sour grapes" tale, I just cringe.

[SO_MONEY]

And of course we would trade Patrick Beverly for Ben Simmons, come on now.

I'd personally trade DLo and a couple of top 8 protected 1sts for Simmons, and I think it's not us who didn't make an offer like this, it's Philly who refused it. Let's hope their situation gets bad enough that they decide to take an offer of this kind. So when people here pop up with the old "Sweet lemon, sour grapes" tale, I just cringe.

That would leave us without a PG or much of a way to get one. I don't think we do that.

[Domejandro]

And of course we would trade Patrick Beverly for Ben Simmons, come on now.

I'd personally trade DLo and a couple of top 8 protected 1sts for Simmons, and I think it's not us who didn't make an offer like this, it's Philly who refused it. Let's hope their situation gets bad enough that they decide to take an offer of this kind. So when people here pop up with the old "Sweet lemon, sour grapes" tale, I just cringe.

That would leave us without a PG or much of a way to get one. I don't think we do that.

1. Minnesota would have Patrick Beverly and Jordan McLaughlin.
2. Ben Simmons has played Point-Guard as the second best player of a team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference.

[jscott]

I'd personally trade DLo and a couple of top 8 protected 1sts for Simmons, and I think it's not us who didn't make an offer like this, it's Philly who refused it. Let's hope their situation gets bad enough that they decide to take an offer of this kind. So when people here pop up with the old "Sweet lemon, sour grapes" tale, I just cringe.

That would leave us without a PG or much of a way to get one. I don't think we do that.

1. Minnesota would have Patrick Beverly and Jordan McLaughlin.
2. Ben Simmons has played Point-Guard as the second best player of a team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference.

Not that I disagree with the overall sentiment but we wouldn’t have Beverly as he’s the person in question in this discussion. He’d be dealt for Simmons in this scenario.

But yeah, we have other people who can handle the ball. That wouldn’t stop me from pulling a trigger on a deal for Ben. The rest of the cost may though

[Domejandro]

That would leave us without a PG or much of a way to get one. I don't think we do that.

1. Minnesota would have Patrick Beverly and Jordan McLaughlin.
2. Ben Simmons has played Point-Guard as the second best player of a team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference.

Not that I disagree with the overall sentiment but we wouldn’t have Beverly as he’s the person in question in this discussion. He’d be dealt for Simmons in this scenario.

But yeah, we have other people who can handle the ball. That wouldn’t stop me from pulling a trigger on a deal for Ben. The rest of the cost may though

I thought the reference was to the D’Angelo Russell trade. If the reference is to Patrick Beverly, then Minnesota would have D’Angelo Russell, so I’m completely confused.

[winforlose]

I saw a deal suggestion I liked for Simmons on CanisHoopus. It is a fair price (though the 76ers and maybe the Raptors won’t do it,) but it is consistent with the actual value of Simmons.

Raptors give Siakam, get Beasley, Beverly, top 20 protected wolves first (future,)
76ers Give Simmons, get Siakam and Wolves 2022 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves get Simmons.


2 well protected firsts and Beasley, Beverly probably sounds low. But Simmons is on a bad contract, cannot jump shoot, and has a history of chocking in the playoffs. Add to this power free throw percentage and a history of injury and this trade is probably the max I would give (Beasley, plus either Prince, Beverly, or Bolmaro,) and 2 protected firsts.

[Slim Tubby]

The only trade I see Gupta giving up at this point is Beasely, Beverley and Layman and like 3 FRPs for Simmons.

Anything more is not worth it.

F that.

Bev is untouchable and the amount of picks goes down now.


This team is cohesive. I’m not a Beas fan at all and even I’m reluctant to trade him at this juncture.

A washed 33 year old point guard who averaged 7/3/2 is untouchable for a perennial All-Star/DPOTY candidate in his prime?

lmao.

You can’t assign tangible value to leadership, grit and accountability in a player. I understand why he wouldn’t want to move Beverly at this point.


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[Slim Tubby]

I saw a deal suggestion I liked for Simmons on CanisHoopus. It is a fair price (though the 76ers and maybe the Raptors won’t do it,) but it is consistent with the actual value of Simmons.

Raptors give Siakam, get Beasley, Beverly, top 20 protected wolves first (future,)
76ers Give Simmons, get Siakam and Wolves 2022 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves get Simmons.


2 well protected firsts and Beasley, Beverly probably sounds low. But Simmons is on a bad contract, cannot jump shoot, and has a history of chocking in the playoffs. Add to this power free throw percentage and a history of injury and this trade is probably the max I would give (Beasley, plus either Prince, Beverly, or Bolmaro,) and 2 protected firsts.

That’s a horrifically bad return for Siakam.


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[Krapinsky]

I’ve personally soured on a Simmons trade at this point. I think the best thing for him would have been a clean break and trade in the off season, and then have a full training camp with a new locker room. I now question whether all this off season hysteria is doing long term damage to a guy that already has some question marks about where his head is at.

If I have to sell the farm for Simmons then I’d be very hesitant to do so until we see him functioning on the basketball court first.

[Slim Tubby]

I’ve personally soured on a Simmons trade at this point. I think the best thing for him would have been a clean break and trade in the off season, and then have a full training camp with a new locker room. I now question whether all this off season hysteria is doing long term damage to a guy that already has some question marks about where his head is at.

If I have to sell the farm for Simmons then I’d be very hesitant to do so until we see him functioning on the basketball court first.

Solid take, Krapper.


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[jscott]

1. Minnesota would have Patrick Beverly and Jordan McLaughlin.
2. Ben Simmons has played Point-Guard as the second best player of a team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference.

Not that I disagree with the overall sentiment but we wouldn’t have Beverly as he’s the person in question in this discussion. He’d be dealt for Simmons in this scenario.

But yeah, we have other people who can handle the ball. That wouldn’t stop me from pulling a trigger on a deal for Ben. The rest of the cost may though

I thought the reference was to the D’Angelo Russell trade. If the reference is to Patrick Beverly, then Minnesota would have D’Angelo Russell, so I’m completely confused.

Eh, what the hell do I know. Maybe I’m wrong. If so, sorry

[King Malta]

I've never been a massive believer of DLo on this team (although I was happier carrying his contract than Wiggins'), but at this point I don't think I'd want to give him away in a trade for Simmons, I think if you bring Ben in you need to roll the dice on a 'Big 4' of Ant, KAT, DLo and Simmons rather than having him replace one of the components.

As far as changing opinions given recent events, I'd personally be taking McDaniels off the table in any hypothetical trades now. I was willing to begrudgingly include him a few weeks ago when the situation was slightly less toxic for Philly and there were more trade partners out there (Indiana, the looming threat of Portland if things started badly), but the situation is getting worse by the day for the 6ers and there's not a lot of other competitive trade partners IMO.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree with the scoffing over Bev being untouchable. Mind you I would prefer to keep him as I feel he's a great addition culturally and gives us a handy 3/D pinch-hitter at the 1/2 spots.

Beasley, 2 firsts and matching salaries is where I'm at now. Before a Philly lurker gets upset; it's a below market value offer in a vacuum for sure, but I don't see Morey getting much better as things currently stand.

[shrink]

I saw a deal suggestion I liked for Simmons on CanisHoopus. It is a fair price (though the 76ers and maybe the Raptors won’t do it,) but it is consistent with the actual value of Simmons.

Raptors give Siakam, get Beasley, Beverly, top 20 protected wolves first (future,)
76ers Give Simmons, get Siakam and Wolves 2022 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves get Simmons.

2 well protected firsts and Beasley, Beverly probably sounds low. But Simmons is on a bad contract, cannot jump shoot, and has a history of chocking in the playoffs. Add to this power free throw percentage and a history of injury and this trade is probably the max I would give (Beasley, plus either Prince, Beverly, or Bolmaro,) and 2 protected firsts.

That’s a horrifically bad return for Siakam.

Siakim was really good two years ago, and got a max deal, but last year, he really declined as teams figured him out, and he made people question whether he was worth the max. Maybe he’ll do better next year (I try to give all players a Covid pass for last year), but I don’t think he has a ton of trade value on that deal.