Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[Note30]

Is there any way we could package the pick with Monte Morris or NAW in a sign an trade for Gordon Hayward?

He would be a strong playmaking big wing, has played with Gobert and a two big lineup.

He's a good shooter and would be an amazing replacement for NAW or someone else. If we get Anderson back that's half a starting lineup right there.

Add in a Towns for KD swap and that's a championship team.


Conley/NAW
Edwards/Hayward
McDaniels / Anderson
KD/Reid/Anderson
Gobert/Reid

We could pursue a number of backup PGs for the vet min in FA.

Holiday, Dinwidee etc.

Lol man, Hayward is beyond cooked. Why would you want him?

Some of you guys clearly follow only the Wolves, and that's fine, but damn.

Stat wise he didn't see that bad, guess my memory of his was from like 2018

[Colbinii]

Is there any way we could package the pick with Monte Morris or NAW in a sign an trade for Gordon Hayward?

He would be a strong playmaking big wing, has played with Gobert and a two big lineup.

He's a good shooter and would be an amazing replacement for NAW or someone else. If we get Anderson back that's half a starting lineup right there.

Add in a Towns for KD swap and that's a championship team.


Conley/NAW
Edwards/Hayward
McDaniels / Anderson
KD/Reid/Anderson
Gobert/Reid

We could pursue a number of backup PGs for the vet min in FA.

Holiday, Dinwidee etc.

Lol man, Hayward is beyond cooked. Why would you want him?

Some of you guys clearly follow only the Wolves, and that's fine, but damn.

Stat wise he didn't see that bad, guess my memory of his was from like 2018

He is far worse than NAW. NAW is a good player because he defends and can hit the corner 3. That's important in the regular season, even if his shooting drops in the post-season.

Hayward was a slasher who relied on athleticism who has had multiple injuries. He just isn't what he use to be and has almost 0 chance of playing meaningful post-season minutes.

NAW was solid for 2 playoff series.

[shrink]

I feel that except for maybe a PG, our starters and a couple men off the bench is already paid for and on our roster. If a playoff rotation is 7-8 players, we already have them locked up for next year. Nobody is dislodging NAW.

However, we will need some depth to get through an 82 game season. We are unlikely to be as healthy as we were last year, Towns notwithstanding. Maybe some of our cheap young players can fill roles, but if we are win-now, wading through lots of rookie mistakes may not always be a price we want to pay. Now, I’m not going to say Hayward is the right guy, but I hope we can be attractive enough to get a few vets to join. I’m looking for guys that can shoot an open three pointer, and make quick decisions in passing. They won’t be key contributors, but they will give Finch options when he needs to go into his bench.

[Guidus88]

Saw an article suggesting that we should pursue Sexton:

Good playmaking
Elite perimeter defense
39% 3pt
Similar timeline as Ant and Jaden

What do you think?

Wait...What?

He's tiny, and by every defensive metric I can find, is terrible on that end of the floor...

Just reported what article said, have no clue regarding Sexton and that’s the reason why I asked

btw this an extract of the article: "Additionally, Sexton's energetic defense and competitive nature would inject new life into the Timberwolves' defensive schemes. His ability to guard multiple positions and disrupt opposing offenses would be invaluable, especially during the playoffs. Pairing him with Edwards could create a formidable backcourt duo capable of high-scoring outputs and relentless defensive pressure."

[Colbinii]

I feel that except for maybe a PG, our starters and a couple men off the bench is already paid for and on our roster. If a playoff rotation is 7-8 players, we already have them locked up for next year. Nobody is dislodging NAW.

However, we will need some depth to get through an 82 game season. We are unlikely to be as healthy as we were last year, Towns notwithstanding. Maybe some of our cheap young players can fill roles, but if we are win-now, wading through lots of rookie mistakes may not always be a price we want to pay. Now, I’m not going to say Hayward is the right guy, but I hope we can be attractive enough to get a few vets to join. I’m looking for guys that can shoot an open three pointer, and make quick decisions in passing. They won’t be key contributors, but they will give Finch options when he needs to go into his bench.

I think the bench is going to be mostly young guys, McLaughlin and then one vet-min guy.

Last year, neither Troy Brown Jr or Shake Milton could provide consistent minutes, and they were > Minimum guys. But, maybe we had to overpay as a mediocre team in an unheralded city. Now, we are the cream of the crop AND we offer a veteran a real chance of cracking not just the regular season rotation, but also the playoff rotation. Same can be said to T.J. Warren, who was a nothing-burger of a player.

Here is what we currently have:
Top 7
Towns
Edwards
Gobert
Conley
McDaniels
Reid
Naw
-----------
The 5 with questions
Wendell Moore Jr
Leonard Miller
Josh Minott (Non-Guaranteed)
Jaylen Clark (Two-Way)
Pick #27

That's 11 players.

The next 3
Pick #37
Jordan McLaughlin (On a minimum, though people think he will get more, he could, but I am holding out hope we can retain him, I like him as a 3rd PG and 15-20 MPG innings eater)
Luka Garza

So, who is it we target for our 14th-15th man here?

Jeff Green (He probably goes to Denver on the minimum over us)
Patrick Beverley
Jae Crowder (Looked washed)
Reggie Bullock (Looked washed)
Jordan Nwora
Gordon Hayward
Lonnie Walker IV
Bol Bol
Kris Dunn (Likely gets > Minimum)

Like, this list is terrible. I don't think we are getting anything meaningful from free agency on the minimum market.

[BlacJacMac]

Wait...What?

He's tiny, and by every defensive metric I can find, is terrible on that end of the floor...

Just reported what article said, have no clue regarding Sexton and that’s the reason why I asked

btw this an extract of the article: "Additionally, Sexton's energetic defense and competitive nature would inject new life into the Timberwolves' defensive schemes. His ability to guard multiple positions and disrupt opposing offenses would be invaluable, especially during the playoffs. Pairing him with Edwards could create a formidable backcourt duo capable of high-scoring outputs and relentless defensive pressure."

Is "Fadeaway World" considered a "legit" source? It very well might be, but I had never heard of it before this.

I agree that Sexton tries hard at defense. He just appears to be very, very bad at it.

But I think you're also burying the lede. The article suggests Markkanen, Sexton and two 1st Round Picks for KAT...

https://fadeawayworld.net/5-trade-ideas-for-karl-anthony-towns-if-the-timberwolves-decide-to-reshape-their-roster

[shrink]

I think Anderson is gone, like most do, but I was surprised to hear that Britt thinks he may be back. In a recent Dane Moore podcast, he talked about Kyle’s exit interview, and for the first four questions, he may have included the phrase “if I’m still here next year.” He knows what he’s worth, and probably what Connelly can afford to pay him.

However, Britt mentioned that Kyle lit up glowingly when he talked about Finch. Kyle said many coaches don’t know how to use him, but Finch puts the ball in his hands, and lets him make decisions. Finch trusts him and empowers him.

Anderson has always been a decent-but-not-spectacular player, and has made decent-but-not-spectacular money. I don’t have any problem if he wants to go elsewhere and get a bigger paycheck. But I think it’s interesting that he’s another player that wants to be here. I guess there is a ray of hope he will be back, and it would be on a discount contract.

[Colbinii]

I think Anderson is gone, like most do, but I was surprised to hear that Britt thinks he may be back. In a recent Dane Moore podcast, he talked about Kyle’s exit interview, and for the first four questions, he may have included the phrase “if I’m still here next year.” He knows what he’s worth, and probably what Connelly can afford to pay him.

However, Britt mentioned that Kyle lit up glowingly when he talked about Finch. Kyle said many coaches don’t know how to use him, but Finch puts the ball in his hands, and lets him make decisions. Finch trusts him and empowers him.

Anderson has always been a decent-but-not-spectacular player, and has made decent-but-not-spectacular money. I don’t have any problem if he wants to go elsewhere and get a bigger paycheck. But I think it’s interesting that he’s another player that wants to be here. I guess there is a ray of hope he will be back, and it would be on a discount contract.

Yeah, good post.

It is just hard when someone like SAS can throw the full MLE and a potential starting position, next to Wemby, and then Kyle stays here for whatever it is we can offer, which is significantly less money.

[shrink]

I think Anderson is gone, like most do, but I was surprised to hear that Britt thinks he may be back. In a recent Dane Moore podcast, he talked about Kyle’s exit interview, and for the first four questions, he may have included the phrase “if I’m still here next year.” He knows what he’s worth, and probably what Connelly can afford to pay him.

However, Britt mentioned that Kyle lit up glowingly when he talked about Finch. Kyle said many coaches don’t know how to use him, but Finch puts the ball in his hands, and lets him make decisions. Finch trusts him and empowers him.

Anderson has always been a decent-but-not-spectacular player, and has made decent-but-not-spectacular money. I don’t have any problem if he wants to go elsewhere and get a bigger paycheck. But I think it’s interesting that he’s another player that wants to be here. I guess there is a ray of hope he will be back, and it would be on a discount contract.

Yeah, good post.

It is just hard when someone like SAS can throw the full MLE and a potential starting position, next to Wemby, and then Kyle stays here for whatever it is we can offer, which is significantly less money.

I agree, and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving. NBA careers are so very short, and a few more million dollars is a lot of money.

But what do I know? I was even more convinced Naz Reid wouldn’t be back last summer!

[frankenwolf]

Okay, the only trade that does make sense is Towns, Moore for KD.

Gobert/Reid/???
KD/Miller/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/???
Edwards/NAW/Clark
Conley/???/???

HOW MANY SCREENS CAN GOBERT SET IN ONE GAME? HUH?

Illegal.

We are above the 2nd Apron. We can't aggregate salaries.

Incorrect. We are not above the 2nd apron. The NBA year doesn't start until July first.

[Colbinii]

Okay, the only trade that does make sense is Towns, Moore for KD.

Gobert/Reid/???
KD/Miller/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/???
Edwards/NAW/Clark
Conley/???/???

HOW MANY SCREENS CAN GOBERT SET IN ONE GAME? HUH?

Illegal.

We are above the 2nd Apron. We can't aggregate salaries.

Incorrect. We are not above the 2nd apron. The NBA year doesn't start until July first.

Yup and that deal can't be completed until the new year

[frankenwolf]

Illegal.

We are above the 2nd Apron. We can't aggregate salaries.

Incorrect. We are not above the 2nd apron. The NBA year doesn't start until July first.

Yup and that deal can't be completed until the new year

And they don't figure salary balance until the end of the year, correct?
OF course, I have not studied the CBA at all and fall asleep when I try, so I may be way off base.

[Klomp]

I think Anderson is gone, like most do, but I was surprised to hear that Britt thinks he may be back. In a recent Dane Moore podcast, he talked about Kyle’s exit interview, and for the first four questions, he may have included the phrase “if I’m still here next year.” He knows what he’s worth, and probably what Connelly can afford to pay him.

However, Britt mentioned that Kyle lit up glowingly when he talked about Finch. Kyle said many coaches don’t know how to use him, but Finch puts the ball in his hands, and lets him make decisions. Finch trusts him and empowers him.

Anderson has always been a decent-but-not-spectacular player, and has made decent-but-not-spectacular money. I don’t have any problem if he wants to go elsewhere and get a bigger paycheck. But I think it’s interesting that he’s another player that wants to be here. I guess there is a ray of hope he will be back, and it would be on a discount contract.

Yeah, good post.

It is just hard when someone like SAS can throw the full MLE and a potential starting position, next to Wemby, and then Kyle stays here for whatever it is we can offer, which is significantly less money.

That would be one of the few franchises that would worry me in terms of "outbidding" for Kyle. Because Pops is an intangibles guy and he knows what he had in Kyle. Otherwise, I'm not sure anyone else will offer him a massive contract that would truly outbid us.

[shangrila]

I saw someone propose a Towns for Ingram swap, so I went into the CBA a bit, and thought it was info I should share

You’re correct that teams over the first apron can’t receive a player in a sign-and-trade. And if NOP extended him before they traded, the first year salary can only be 5% higher, which is why it is incredibly rare. For example, Ingram makes $36 next year, so in an extend and trade, his extension can only start at $37.8. However, if NOP doesn’t trade him, they can offer a four year extension worth $208 mil! No way Ingram accepts $37.8.

So while people want to use the thread to gripe about Ingram or Towns, the CBA makes that meaningless. There is no way MIN can risk trading Towns for Ingram if he could simply walk next year. And Sign-and-Trades are illegal for 1st apron teams, and there is no way Ingram would sign a cheaper extension him to be traded.

One counter-point I'd make (and this isn't me advocating to trade for Ingram); technically being able to sign for 208mil doesn't mean he's going to be offered that. His market might legitimately be around that 160mil mark (I'm assuming standard raises on a 4 yr contract).

[shangrila]

I think Anderson is gone, like most do, but I was surprised to hear that Britt thinks he may be back. In a recent Dane Moore podcast, he talked about Kyle’s exit interview, and for the first four questions, he may have included the phrase “if I’m still here next year.” He knows what he’s worth, and probably what Connelly can afford to pay him.

However, Britt mentioned that Kyle lit up glowingly when he talked about Finch. Kyle said many coaches don’t know how to use him, but Finch puts the ball in his hands, and lets him make decisions. Finch trusts him and empowers him.

Anderson has always been a decent-but-not-spectacular player, and has made decent-but-not-spectacular money. I don’t have any problem if he wants to go elsewhere and get a bigger paycheck. But I think it’s interesting that he’s another player that wants to be here. I guess there is a ray of hope he will be back, and it would be on a discount contract.

Yeah, good post.

It is just hard when someone like SAS can throw the full MLE and a potential starting position, next to Wemby, and then Kyle stays here for whatever it is we can offer, which is significantly less money.

I agree, and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving. NBA careers are so very short, and a few more million dollars is a lot of money.

But what do I know? I was even more convinced Naz Reid wouldn’t be back last summer!

The other thing Kyle mentioned in that interview is his kid, who's on the spectrum and apparently doing great in the MIN school system.

For as much as the NBA is a business there is a human element that gets overlooked.

[shangrila]

Just reported what article said, have no clue regarding Sexton and that’s the reason why I asked

btw this an extract of the article: "Additionally, Sexton's energetic defense and competitive nature would inject new life into the Timberwolves' defensive schemes. His ability to guard multiple positions and disrupt opposing offenses would be invaluable, especially during the playoffs. Pairing him with Edwards could create a formidable backcourt duo capable of high-scoring outputs and relentless defensive pressure."

Is "Fadeaway World" considered a "legit" source? It very well might be, but I had never heard of it before this.

I agree that Sexton tries hard at defense. He just appears to be very, very bad at it.

But I think you're also burying the lede. The article suggests Markkanen, Sexton and two 1st Round Picks for KAT...

https://fadeawayworld.net/5-trade-ideas-for-karl-anthony-towns-if-the-timberwolves-decide-to-reshape-their-roster

Yeah, how is Sexton the player you focus on in that deal?

I don't see any of those being realistic (not even sure the Houston one is legal). Maybe the Knicks one? The Warriors one is kind of interesting too.

[shrink]

It’s amusing how the writer only focuses on the positives of each player (some of those imaginary!), and the RealGM Trade Board generally focuses on only the negatives! I felt like I was on Bizzaro World!

[Note30]

https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/trey-alexander/7808

Keep it in the family? He's Mikes cousin

[MN7725]

Just reported what article said, have no clue regarding Sexton and that’s the reason why I asked

btw this an extract of the article: "Additionally, Sexton's energetic defense and competitive nature would inject new life into the Timberwolves' defensive schemes. His ability to guard multiple positions and disrupt opposing offenses would be invaluable, especially during the playoffs. Pairing him with Edwards could create a formidable backcourt duo capable of high-scoring outputs and relentless defensive pressure."

Is "Fadeaway World" considered a "legit" source? It very well might be, but I had never heard of it before this.

I agree that Sexton tries hard at defense. He just appears to be very, very bad at it.

But I think you're also burying the lede. The article suggests Markkanen, Sexton and two 1st Round Picks for KAT...

https://fadeawayworld.net/5-trade-ideas-for-karl-anthony-towns-if-the-timberwolves-decide-to-reshape-their-roster

not that I think Sexton is great, but he doesn't get steals/blocks or rebound well, players like that don't have good D stats since they are used in the formulas

I remember Avery Bradley always had horrible defensive stats even though opposing players thought he was one of the tougher players to go against in his prime with Boston

I'm not in the "trade KAT" camp, but that's an interesting trade, even without the picks
Lauri I think is a better "bucket getter" than KAT, can create something out of nothing better in the half court when its a slog

but ultimately if Wolves move KAT, getting best possible guard or ball handling wing should be priority, way more important

[Colbinii]

I think it's fun what we are doing but let's be honest, we are running it back with the same Top 7 and hoping someone can step-up for some minutes.

I'm excited. Been a while since we had a Top 5 team in the NBA. We can beat any team in a series which gives us a chance at a title.

Looking around the NBA, it seems like all the other contenders will be standing pat except for Oklahoma City, who really needs to be hunting for that perfect fit player with all their assets.

Aside from that, lots of lower-level playoff teams (think 2022 Wolves) are looking to add pieces like Orlando and Indiana.

Memphis will be healthier, Lakers could add someone like LaVine and be more dangerous though they still lack something and LeBron will be 40, LAC isn't a threat, Phoenix isn't a threat.