2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition

theGreatRC · Post #821 » by **theGreatRC** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 6:08 am

It's Demin Time

Guest84 · Post #822 » by **Guest84** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 6:34 am

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/high-upside-wing-carter-bryant-perfectly-fits-timberwolves

KGdaBom · Post #823 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:56 pm

Guest84 wrote:https://dunkingwithwolves.com/high-upside-wing-carter-bryant-perfectly-fits-timberwolves

Interesting read. Bryant is a defender and stocks specialist with potential on the offensive end. Great athlete with good size. Tankathon is projecting him to go 14th to the Spurs.

KGdaBom · Post #824 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 1:57 pm

theGreatRC wrote:It's Demin Time

You're preaching to the choir. Tankathon is projecting him 18th so he could be there. Go Wolves.

Norseman79 · Post #825 » by **Norseman79** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:19 pm

We need PF, C or PG, we are good on wings right now

moss_is_1 · Post #826 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:35 pm

https://youtu.be/diPMokIiPMo?si=VcBjt26QTnuy9C4S

High praise and great breakdown for Queen.

shangrila · Post #827 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 8:18 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:https://youtu.be/diPMokIiPMo?si=VcBjt26QTnuy9C4S

High praise and great breakdown for Queen.

I just don't see it with Queen.

The defence is horrendous, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The fact that Maryland went so far out of their way to protect him on that end and it still stuck out like a sore thumb is impressive in a way. And it's not just one single element; he's not a shotblocker and is unlikely to ever put up resistance there, his effort is non-existent and even his perimetre defence is poor. I see people point to his horizontal movement as an indicator he could defend in space and while I agree that's probably the best part of his defensive package, the issue is his struggles going north-south. Basically if he needs to close out on someone, they're blowing by him no question. If he's hedging on a screen or already there guarding them he's passable.

Offensively I can see the BBIQ and the passing. He's not an offensive hub guy yet but maybe I could see it happening from a passing point of view, like a Draymond Green? The issue I see is the rest of his game on that end. He's got a funky but nice weird like Dirk-esque fadeaway and some otherwise nice footwork, but his shot mechanics need an entire overall to become passable. I also don't see the finishing translating; he's got nice footwork again but I see him throwing up a lot of junk around the rim where he just gets bailed out by foul calls.

minimus · Post #828 » by **minimus** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 10:02 pm

Any player who falls out top10 is a great pick at 17

Norseman79 · Post #829 » by **Norseman79** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 11:50 pm

minimus wrote:Any player who falls out top10 is a great pick at 17

Because of projected talent? Wasn't Nolan Traore a top 5 pick at one point, would you be happy with him at 17?

KGdaBom · Post #830 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jun 5, 2025 11:56 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
minimus wrote:Any player who falls out top10 is a great pick at 17

Because of projected talent? Wasn't Nolan Traore a top 5 pick at one point, would you be happy with him at 17?

At this time Tankathon has him at 17 on their big board and mocked at pick 20. His shooting on the season was horrific, but got better. I wouldn't mind the pick.

KGdaBom · Post #831 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:03 am

Of the supposed top 10 I could see Queen falling to us and I hope we pass if he does.

moss_is_1 · Post #832 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:14 am

I'm coming around on Queen. I think he can be a way better player than Naz. There's a lot of talent in his offensive game, and his defense is better than everyone is saying. Plus he's a really good rebounder. I doubt he falls to 17 anyway, but he could help us in a lot of ways. If he develops an outside shot he'd be an all nba type player.

Slim Tubby · Post #833 » by **Slim Tubby** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:10 am

After Flagg, and maybe Harper, this is exactly the type of marginal Draft class you should try to trade out of IMO.

The problem with my opinion is that with so many teams up against the Cap or Aprons, they're starved for productive players on Rookie contracts.

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Post #834 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:27 am

Maybe it's the jersey number and the fact that he's a lefty, but I just went back to Collin Murray-Boyles (who I've been "meh" at best on), and I see a lot of Julius Randle in his offensive game.

moss_is_1 · Post #835 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:16 am

Klomp wrote:Maybe it's the jersey number and the fact that he's a lefty, but I just went back to Collin Murray-Boyles (who I've been "meh" at best on), and I see a lot of Julius Randle in his offensive game.

Agreed. Pretty similar games, though I think CMB does a lot of the little things that go unnoticed as well.

moss_is_1 · Post #836 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:19 am

Slim Tubby wrote:After Flagg, and maybe Harper, this is exactly the type of marginal Draft class you should try to trade out of IMO.

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Disagree. There may not be a ton of all-star or superstar level talent but this looks like a good draft. The 2nd round gets a little week at about 35-40, mainly because of the NIL having a few guys go back to school. But I can see a lot of very good players in this class.

Post #837 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:20 am

moss_is_1 wrote:
Klomp wrote:Maybe it's the jersey number and the fact that he's a lefty, but I just went back to Collin Murray-Boyles (who I've been "meh" at best on), and I see a lot of Julius Randle in his offensive game.

Agreed. Pretty similar games, though I think CMB does a lot of the little things that go unnoticed as well.

He's very much a glue guy. I don't think projecting him to a Julius Randle starter role is fair, but I think he can probably be an above average role player. I've heard he's extremely switchable on defense too.

Slim Tubby · Post #838 » by **Slim Tubby** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:44 am

moss_is_1 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:After Flagg, and maybe Harper, this is exactly the type of marginal Draft class you should try to trade out of IMO.

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Disagree. There may not be a ton of all-star or superstar level talent but this looks like a good draft. The 2nd round gets a little week at about 35-40, mainly because of the NIL having a few guys go back to school. But I can see a lot of very good players in this class.

It's hard for me to give any credence to all of Euro prospects because I never get to see them play so that's on me. I do watch a ton of college hoops and the high end talent just isn't there this year.

In good drafts, there are 8-12 guys that you expect will be very good NBA players with enough talent to eventually make an ASG. This year...not so much.

Well both get to see who is right in 3-4 years.

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Post #839 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:54 am

Slim Tubby wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:After Flagg, and maybe Harper, this is exactly the type of marginal Draft class you should try to trade out of IMO.

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Disagree. There may not be a ton of all-star or superstar level talent but this looks like a good draft. The 2nd round gets a little week at about 35-40, mainly because of the NIL having a few guys go back to school. But I can see a lot of very good players in this class.
It's hard for me to give any credence to all of Euro prospects because I never get to see them play so that's on me. I do watch a ton of college hoops and the high end talent just isn't there this year.

In good drafts, there are 8-12 guys that you expect will be very good NBA players with enough talent to eventually make an ASG. This year...not so much.

Well both get to see who is right in 3-4 years.

I think people just develop misconception about what a good draft looks like because fans and teams often give up on players too soon. Drafts are unpredictable. Finding a SGA at 11 one year doesn't mean that the next year's 11 Cam Johnson was bad value, yet that's often how fans seem to look at drafts in hindsight.

Slim Tubby · Post #840 » by **Slim Tubby** » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:09 am

Klomp wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Disagree. There may not be a ton of all-star or superstar level talent but this looks like a good draft. The 2nd round gets a little week at about 35-40, mainly because of the NIL having a few guys go back to school. But I can see a lot of very good players in this class.
It's hard for me to give any credence to all of Euro prospects because I never get to see them play so that's on me. I do watch a ton of college hoops and the high end talent just isn't there this year.

In good drafts, there are 8-12 guys that you expect will be very good NBA players with enough talent to eventually make an ASG. This year...not so much.

Well both get to see who is right in 3-4 years.

I think people just develop misconception about what a good draft looks like because fans and teams often give up on players too soon. Drafts are unpredictable. Finding a SGA at 11 one year doesn't mean that the next year's 11 Cam Johnson was bad value, yet that's often how fans seem to look at drafts in hindsight.

Certainly valid points, sir. I personally believe the guards in this Draft are greatly overvalued at where they are projected to go. I also feel that Combine measurements are not always reflective as to what defines a good "basketball player", especially with big guys.

I campaigned hard for the Wolves to Draft TSJ last year because I watched him play a ton in college and just knew his offensive skills and energy would translate to the NBA. I feel that way about Clayton Jr this year but not that many other college guys in this class.

I've been wrong before...and I will certainly be wrong again.

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