Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[Note30]

What about Tre Mann from the Hornets? I have seen scouting reports all over the place on him. Not sure if he is the future, but could at least be future backup PG. Much lower level trade than most, including myself, are hopeful for.

You mean Terrence Mann on the Nets?

He's a worse shooting NAW who can facilitate better.

Conley + Dillingham for Mann and some draft assets?

[Danimals]

I’d be fine with giving all the bench PG minutes to Conley if we target a wing. A legit player off the bench would be someone consistent who fills a defined role. And they are not still developing. TSJ, Dilly, and Miller are all theoretical at this point. They can’t be counted on for anything.

[winforlose]

I’d be fine with giving all the bench PG minutes to Conley if we target a wing. A legit player off the bench would be someone consistent who fills a defined role. And they are not still developing. TSJ, Dilly, and Miller are all theoretical at this point. They can’t be counted on for anything.

Mike hasn’t been good at anything except maybe catch and shoot 3s. Even that has been struggling. By the playoffs he will be unplayable.

[shrink]

Mike Conley’s expiring is one of our few disposable contracts for matching salary in a trade. However, when he negotiated his deal, he told Tim Connelly he didn’t want to move his family again, and Connelly agreed to only trade him to a place he wanted to go.

So, while we will never know exactly what Mike would ant to do, can we come up with a couple destinations he might be willing to go to, for a few months? He played his first twelve seasons in Memphis, and then four in Utah. He was born in Arkansas, but he won three state championships in Indianapolis with Greg Oden, before going to OSU.

Once we have a couple possible destinations, maybe we can come up with trade packages where we add incentive, and use that as a building block for three team trades?

[shrink]

The other thing we should keep an eye on, is playoff-caliber vet min deals, on teams that won’t make the playoffs.

As we discussed in another thread, if Shannon and Dillingham can’t demonstrate they could be in a playoff rotation, Tim Connelly will have to switch to trading for vets, or acquiring vet min players in the buy out market. We need a good record by the deadline, to make us an appealing place to go in February.

[winforlose]

Mike Conley’s expiring is one of our few disposable contracts for matching salary in a trade. However, when he negotiated his deal, he told Tim Connelly he didn’t want to move his family again, and Connelly agreed to only trade him to a place he wanted to go.

So, while we will never know exactly what Mike would ant to do, can we come up with a couple destinations he might be willing to go to, for a few months? He played his first twelve seasons in Memphis, and then four in Utah. He was born in Arkansas, but he won three state championships in Indianapolis with Greg Oden, before going to OSU.

Once we have a couple possible destinations, maybe we can come up with trade packages where we add incentive, and use that as a building block for three team trades?

Mike wants to win a ring before he retires, but if he realizes that this team cannot do it, and no contenders will take him, the alternative is to get traded, bought out, and sign where he wants. Or not, he could just get sent home and retire mid season. Mike took less but his play has significantly devolved. I am less inclined to honor the promise if he cannot contribute to the level of even half of his salary.

[Norseman79]

What about Tre Mann from the Hornets? I have seen scouting reports all over the place on him. Not sure if he is the future, but could at least be future backup PG. Much lower level trade than most, including myself, are hopeful for.

You mean Terrence Mann on the Nets?

He's a worse shooting NAW who can facilitate better.

Conley + Dillingham for Mann and some draft assets?

Nope, Tre Mann, Charlotte Hornets

[shrink]

Who da man?

[Norseman79]

I’d be fine with giving all the bench PG minutes to Conley if we target a wing. A legit player off the bench would be someone consistent who fills a defined role. And they are not still developing. TSJ, Dilly, and Miller are all theoretical at this point. They can’t be counted on for anything.

Miller and Dilly I agree with, TSJ and Clark seem good to me.

Fact we have no point guards or a back up center is a problem.

In theory, DD, Dilly should be able to fill two of those three in a trade.

DD and Dilly to Chicago for Tre Jones, Jalen Smith works financially. I would want a little more back.

PG - Jones, (vet FA/buyout)
SG - Edwards, Clark
SG - McDaniels, TSJ
PF - Randle, Reid
C. - Gobert, Smith

[shrink]

I am less inclined to honor the promise if he cannot contribute to the level of even half of his salary.

Even if Tim Connelly was willing to break his promise to Mike, he also loses credibility with the players and future free agents if does the popular Mike Conley dirty. It’d look horrible to do that to the four-time Sportsmanship winner, who always has been a stand up guy for his team.

[Norseman79]

Minnesota should not trade Mike unless he approaches them or they bring it up and he is all in favor.

At this point you kind of have to wonder if Tristan Newton or Pullin are the best backup point guard options we have

[shangrila]

I am less inclined to honor the promise if he cannot contribute to the level of even half of his salary.

Even if Tim Connelly was willing to break his promise to Mike, he also loses credibility with the players and future free agents if does the popular Mike Conley dirty. It’d look horrible to do that to the four-time Sportsmanship winner, who always has been a stand up guy for his team.

I wouldn't dump him in Charlotte for the sake of it, but this league is a business and they need to do what's best for the team. And even Mike knows that.

[Domejandro]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

[Danimals]

Edwards 34 Conley 14
DDV 32 Clark 16
McDaniels 32 ? 16
Randle 32 Reid 16
Gobert 32 Reid 16

The starting 5 is one of the top 5 units in the league. The bench is not producing enough. Conley, ckark, and Naz are filling their roles adequately; but the 4th role is a massive hole. We need scoring badly. Dilly and TSJ have been terrible. I’d easily trade them both for a reliable player on a multi year deal. We should also sign a vet center for depth.

[winforlose]

Edwards 34 Conley 14
DDV 32 Clark 16
McDaniels 32 ? 16
Randle 32 Reid 16
Gobert 32 Reid 16

The starting 5 is one of the top 5 units in the league. The bench is not producing enough. Conley, ckark, and Naz are filling their roles adequately; but the 4th role is a massive hole. We need scoring badly. Dilly and TSJ have been terrible. I’d easily trade them both for a reliable player on a multi year deal. We should also sign a vet center for depth.

TSJ has potentially 2-5 more years of team control on his next deal. Unless he blows up we should be able to match his RFA offers. Any player we bring in likely has a shorter clock and if he plays well will be gone. Dilly is only 20 and plenty of players take longer to develop. Look at Austin Reaves, Jalen Brunson, Coby White, Jimmy Butler to name a few. We have an open roster, 3.5 million below the 2nd apron, a tradeable Bones Hyland contract, and we could move Jingles if we need to. I tend to lean more towards signing a backup C, a quality free agent PG, (is Monte still available,) or trading Bones for a minimum player who might be a playable vet. I disagree that Mike is rotation worthy. His +14 looks good from last night, but his play didn’t earn it. Jaden and Naz took over and Mike just happened to be there. Mike’s actual numbers are quite low relatives to his minutes, his defense is poor enough to be hunted, and he is not getting any younger or healthier. This is his current level, I think Clark is making the case for 16-18 minutes per game (hustle plays, rebounding, hitting free throws,) but I am cautious because he inconsistent.

[Danimals]

I’m interested in winning a title this year. Neither Dillingham or Shannon have shown enough to worry about planning around. We can pluck another couple guys with potential out of the draft each year.

[winforlose]

I’m interested in winning a title this year. Neither Dillingham or Shannon have shown enough to worry about planning around. We can pluck another couple guys with potential out of the draft each year.

Can you suggest some players?

[Norseman79]

I’m interested in winning a title this year. Neither Dillingham or Shannon have shown enough to worry about planning around. We can pluck another couple guys with potential out of the draft each year.

If you want to win a championship this year, you're going to need to do a lot better than Edwards and divincenzo as a back court. Just saying.

[KGdaBom]

I’m interested in winning a title this year. Neither Dillingham or Shannon have shown enough to worry about planning around. We can pluck another couple guys with potential out of the draft each year.

If you want to win a championship this year, you're going to need to do a lot better than Edwards and divincenzo as a back court. Just saying.

We could win it all with the team we have right now.

[shrink]

If you want to win a championship this year, you're going to need to do a lot better than Edwards and divincenzo as a back court. Just saying.

Did you know Donte is #7 in the NBA in three pointers at nearly 40%?

Is Ant-Donte a worse backcourt than Kobe-Derek Fischer?