College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Post #821 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 6:33 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Rubio has the total package, you compare him to Griffin who might very well be a below average NBA defender w/ questionable BBIQ and those are 2 huge concerns you don't find in Rubio's game.

Rubio isn't all that athletic and it's questionable whether he'll be able to keep his man in front of him, I've also heard concerns about his jump shot. Griffin seems like he has a solid BBIQ to me, Draft Express calls BBIQ one of his strengths

PeeDee · Post #822 » by **PeeDee** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 6:40 pm

revprodeji wrote:Harden is not fast or big enough to be a star.

Similar things were said about Brandon Roy as well.

Jonathan Watters · Post #823 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:09 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Rubio has the total package, you compare him to Griffin who might very well be a below average NBA defender w/ questionable BBIQ and those are 2 huge concerns you don't find in Rubio's game.

Seriously?

It must be nice to be able to just say whatever you want, regardless of the facts...or what dimension you are from...

Devilzsidewalk · Post #824 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:24 pm

Rubio is the balls

rick_21 · Post #825 » by **rick_21** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:30 pm

If anyone thinks that Rubio is not a better player than Griffin, seriously, you have no idea about basketball.
Just think about what is easier to get in the NBA, an elite point guard or an athletic power forward.
Rubio has to improve his jump shot and some minor things but his potential is a lot higher than Griffin's.

rev, it's obvious that right now you don't like Harden, but I'm pretty sure that he's going to surprise everybody, like Brandon Roy did. I've watched some ASU games and I think he's taller than most people think, 6-5 at least w/shoes. You'll see in his measurements.
He is not athletic at all but with his skill set, he's a clear NBA starter and an all-star potential.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #826 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:35 pm

rick_21 wrote:If anyone thinks that Rubio is not a better player than Griffin, seriously, you have no idea about basketball.
Just think about what is easier to get in the NBA, an elite point guard or an athletic power forward.
Rubio has to improve his jump shot and some minor things but his potential is a lot higher than Griffin's.

*high 5*

you get to a point where your basketball IQ and base skill is so far beyond everybody else that by the time you're 25 years old, you're totally unstoppable - that's gonna be Ricky Rubio. He's one of those rare basketball specimens born to play the game. It doesn't matter how good the opposing coaching is because Rubio is an elite coach on the floor making decisions and countering in real-time. And it's not like he's unathletic either.

Post #827 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:43 pm

rick_21 wrote:If anyone thinks that Rubio is not a better player than Griffin, seriously, you have no idea about basketball.
Just think about what is easier to get in the NBA, an elite point guard or an athletic power forward.
Rubio has to improve his jump shot and some minor things but his potential is a lot higher than Griffin's.

I don't know alot about Rubio, I'll admit that. I'm just concerned that Rubio's biggest asset is BBIQ in a league that has different rules and is played differently than the NBA. I don't know how well it translates.

Post #828 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:49 pm

I like Rubio more than any prospect in a long time. I am very excited about him.

About Harden. He seems closer to 6'4 or 6'3 then the 6'5. Also, he seems to be more comfortable scoring inside rather than creating like Roy. With Roy many people thought he could have been a Jalen Rose-like point. Nobody says that about Harden.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #829 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:50 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
rick_21 wrote:If anyone thinks that Rubio is not a better player than Griffin, seriously, you have no idea about basketball.
Just think about what is easier to get in the NBA, an elite point guard or an athletic power forward.
Rubio has to improve his jump shot and some minor things but his potential is a lot higher than Griffin's.

I don't know alot about Rubio, I'll admit that. I'm just concerned that Rubio's biggest asset is BBIQ in a league that has different rules and is played differently than the NBA. I don't know how well it translates.

true, but not like they're playing 10 on 10 with a square rim 30 feet off the ground

Jose Calderon did it. Actually, Calderon is probably better suited for the NBA game than the euro game.

Post #830 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:54 pm

revprodeji wrote:I like Rubio more than any prospect in a long time. I am very excited about him.

By a long time, you mean less than 2 years, right? Rubio isn't a better prospect than Oden or Durant.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #831 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:57 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
revprodeji wrote:I like Rubio more than any prospect in a long time. I am very excited about him.

By a long time, you mean less than 2 years, right? Rubio isn't a better prospect than Oden or Durant.

or....is he?

Well, no, no he isn't. But he'll probably be a better NBA player than Oden if he doesn't get his **** together.

Jonathan Watters · Post #832 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:02 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
you get to a point where your basketball IQ and base skill is so far beyond everybody else that by the time you're 25 years old, you're totally unstoppable - that's gonna be Ricky Rubio. He's one of those rare basketball specimens born to play the game. It doesn't matter how good the opposing coaching is because Rubio is an elite coach on the floor making decisions and countering in real-time. And it's not like he's unathletic either.

And Rubio is also the pick because Blake Griffin has poor BBIQ and doesn't play defense. Right?

Right?

:lol:

Devilzsidewalk · Post #833 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:13 pm

are you arguing against the merits of Ricky Rubio? Thats a bold proposition. Griffin might be the next Boozer or Amar-*e', but is that so great?

Krapinsky · Post #834 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:28 pm

Can we call Ricky Rubio "the basketball hey-sus?"

jgozalb · Post #835 » by **jgozalb** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:56 pm

He has a much better jumshoot than people think, I watch every single game he plays, The last eight games he is arround 50 % in 2pt and 3pts and arround 80 % in 1pt.
The most amazing thing about him, its how he manage to control the game trough his defense. His ability to get in the passing lanes is simply un-seen in euroball, and he might obviously not be lebronesque in athletic terms, but he is enough to get into the lane almost any time he wants.
The most important thing that he has to improve right now is a quicker release. But remember he is just 18.

Post #836 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:14 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
revprodeji wrote:I like Rubio more than any prospect in a long time. I am very excited about him.

By a long time, you mean less than 2 years, right? Rubio isn't a better prospect than Oden or Durant.

I tend to fall for playmakers. Durant is a scorer to me. A tracy Mccrady. Oden has potential to be great, but I have a thing for playmakers. So yea, I am more excited about Rubio then oden or durant. I am looking back on recent drafts. I underestimated Paul. I liked Deron Williams, but not as much as I like Rubio but that would be a close comparison to me. Probably my favorite prospect since the 2003 draft. I really like Rubio.

Krapinsky · Post #837 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:23 pm

I got to say, the McGrady/Durant comparison leaves a very dirty taste in my mouth. I'm going to have to ask that you clarify that statement immediately. To make that comparison overlooks exactly what makes basketball players great, and in this case what separates Durant from similar players, i.e. McGrady.

Durant has ice in his veins. ICE.

4ho5ive · Post #838 » by **4ho5ive** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:36 pm

In his defense McGrady has ice on his knees...and his back

Zeitgeister · Post #839 » by **Zeitgeister** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:40 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I got to say, the McGrady/Durant comparison leaves a very dirty taste in my mouth. I'm going to have to ask that you clarify that statement immediately. To make that comparison overlooks exactly what makes basketball players great, and in this case what separates Durant from similar players, i.e. McGrady.

Durant has ice in his veins. ICE.

Not to mention the fact that he's already a more efficient scorer then McGrady has ever been. Plus, McGrady leaves a poor taste in a lot of people's mouths because he was a victim of different circumstances like injury and just not having the right team in place. Not to mention, I think its selling Mcgrady short to just say he's a scorer when he's one of, if not the best playmaker shooting guard of this generation.

As far as Rubio is concerned, there are things to worry about with him and a person would be fooling themselves to thing there aren't. I like the fact that he has court vision that very few players possess, we know he has the potential to be an elite passer in the mold of a Chris Paul/Steve Nash/Jason Kidd. He also has nice defensive potential because he has a long wingspan and he has good instincts going for steals. The problem with him though is he's not very athletic, and his shooting mechanics are bad. Still, if he was in this draft I would definitely take a chance on him, but Euro prospects always scare me a little bit, just because you don't know for sure what you are getting.

Jonathan Watters · Post #840 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 10:13 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:are you arguing against the merits of Ricky Rubio?

Absolutely not.

You see, claiming things like Griffin has a poor BBIQ and is a poor defender tells me a lot about the person making such a claim.

A) You are in such a fervor to land Rubio that you'll do or say whatever it takes to make that argument. At the least it is a disingenuous argument, at worst a bold-faced lie.

B) You are such an ignoramus that you've never even see Griffin play (let alone Rubio) or have no ability to properly put into context what you are watching - and obviously, in no way, shape or form qualified to hold an opinion on who is the better prospect.

I'm arguing against the person who actually thinks they can say the things you said above and get away with it.

Thats a bold proposition.

Says the guy who just claimed Blake freaking Griffin has a low BBIQ.

Griffin might be the next Boozer or Amar-*e', but is that so great?

That would be an absolute disaster for the Wolves' franchise, drafting an automatic 20 and 10 guy. We need more players like Corey Brewer. And cap space.