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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#841 » by TaylorTag » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:32 pm

Jedzz wrote:
MPLSwolves wrote:My dream scenario right now. Not sure how realistic it is, but...

Cleveland falls in love with Wiseman. They want to get a young, elite big to pair with Garland and Sexton. They realize anyone over 25 years old is not part of the timeline and is expendable. They are willing to trade Larry Nance Jr. plus #5 for #1 and James Johnson to get their guy Wiseman... We get the perfect PF to pair with KAT.

At #5, we then go with Isaac Okoro, giving us another hard-nosed defending, Nigerian wing player who many are projecting to be a Jaylen Brown type player in the NBA.

Right off the bat, we pick up an experienced yet relatively young starting PF and another wing player that could turn into an ideal 3&D player.

Our starting lineup could look like: Russell, Beasley, Okoro, Nance Jr., Towns...

Now, we still have 2 draft picks to shore up our bench. At #17, I think we could go Jaylen Smith, the center from Maryland who is a rim protector but also a decent outside shooter. Smith could play next to KAT and Naz Reid while also being able to anchor the defense by himself with a smaller lineup.

Then with our 2nd round pick, we draft Tre Jones and pray that he is 90% as good as his brother.

This would be our depth chart after all this--
PG: Russell, Jones, Nowell
SG: Beasley, Okogie, Turner
SF: Okoro, Culver, Layman
PF: Nance Jr., Hernangomez, Vanderbilt
C: Towns, Reid, Smith
If Tre Jones is 90% of Tyus, then they are both worse than JMac who is 110% of what Tyus was here. Why waste the pick on such things has been my mantra. Maybe you'd want to dump Nowell and keep Russell, JMac, Jones...fine. But wait how did Turner end up in there at SG behind the likes of Okogie and behind Culver at SF? Which Turner are we talking about here?

Also not sure I get the drafting of Smith at C if we are already starting to logjam bigs by adding Nancejr to the starting rotation of what was originally a small ball sort of 1-3-1 plan. I can see them having another big on hand compared to this years roster for when opponents demand it. But two more? Hernangomez might be as big as they plan to have outside of Towns or maybe Wiseman pick. I'm just having trouble figuring out this one.

1. Regarding Turner, that's my bad I thought he had one more year in his contract. Thank god he doesn't. Gladly will remove him from the depth chart.
2. As far as JMac, I like him and he is obviously dynamic on the offensive end, but I do not trust him to play big minutes in the NBA... Tyus actually looked like a competent player during pivotal times for us in our playoff run. JMac impressed on a bottom 3 team in the league. With Turner out of the picture, I would obviously revise my post to include JMac, perhaps in between D'Lo and Tre Jones I this scenario (with Norwell replacing Turner's spot, as he is a more natural SG anyways)... Also, I think Russell and Tre Jones could share the court together for some minutes. It would give us a different wrinkle that we don't have, cause we are lacking that floor general in our backcourt.
3. For Smith, I think the Wolves need a rim protector. I'm hopeful that Nance Jr. could be that guy. He certainly can cover multiple positions, including other teams' centers. But we also know that KAT is not the greatest defender in the world and neither is Naz Reid. I don't think investing the #17 overall pick on a big that is known for rim protection is all that ridiculous. Sure, Smith doesn't really work in our shift to small ball, but I think it's important to have diversity in your depth chart in case you do need to pivot. Smith gives us that added wrinkle.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#842 » by karch34 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:48 pm

MPLSwolves wrote:My dream scenario right now. Not sure how realistic it is, but...

Cleveland falls in love with Wiseman. They want to get a young, elite big to pair with Garland and Sexton. They realize anyone over 25 years old is not part of the timeline and is expendable. They are willing to trade Larry Nance Jr. plus #5 for #1 and James Johnson to get their guy Wiseman... We get the perfect PF to pair with KAT.

At #5, we then go with Isaac Okoro, giving us another hard-nosed defending, Nigerian wing player who many are projecting to be a Jaylen Brown type player in the NBA.

Right off the bat, we pick up an experienced yet relatively young starting PF and another wing player that could turn into an ideal 3&D player.

Our starting lineup could look like: Russell, Beasley, Okoro, Nance Jr., Towns...

Now, we still have 2 draft picks to shore up our bench. At #17, I think we could go Jaylen Smith, the center from Maryland who is a rim protector but also a decent outside shooter. Smith could play next to KAT and Naz Reid while also being able to anchor the defense by himself with a smaller lineup.

Then with our 2nd round pick, we draft Tre Jones and pray that he is 90% as good as his brother.

This would be our depth chart after all this--
PG: Russell, Jones, Nowell
SG: Beasley, Okogie, Turner
SF: Okoro, Culver, Layman
PF: Nance Jr., Hernangomez, Vanderbilt
C: Towns, Reid, Smith


Similar to my line of thinking except was thinking more of Markennen and 4 for 1 and filler. He fits the shooting need and is much better defensively than I thought he'd be (not great by any stretch) then go Okoro at 4. 17 look for a Patrick Williams type. 33 is where I'd take 3rd PG behind Russell and JMac.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#843 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:20 pm

A kind of goofy guy on You'Tube who has a quarter million subscribers is predicting we trade #1 and Culver plus salary filler for Devin Booker and #10. If only.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#844 » by Domejandro » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:39 am

Anyone who knows anything about basketball recognizes that Devin Booker almost certainly isn't being traded this off-season.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#845 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:10 am

Domejandro wrote:Anyone who knows anything about basketball recognizes that Devin Booker almost certainly isn't being traded this off-season.

I agree. The kind of goofy guy goes by the name of KrispyFlakes and it turns out he is a Wolves fan. Quarter of a million subscribers isn't exactly easy to do as a basketball nerd. He must have something that attracts people to him. :lol:
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#846 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:52 am

MPLSwolves wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
MPLSwolves wrote:My dream scenario right now. Not sure how realistic it is, but...

Cleveland falls in love with Wiseman. They want to get a young, elite big to pair with Garland and Sexton. They realize anyone over 25 years old is not part of the timeline and is expendable. They are willing to trade Larry Nance Jr. plus #5 for #1 and James Johnson to get their guy Wiseman... We get the perfect PF to pair with KAT.

At #5, we then go with Isaac Okoro, giving us another hard-nosed defending, Nigerian wing player who many are projecting to be a Jaylen Brown type player in the NBA.

Right off the bat, we pick up an experienced yet relatively young starting PF and another wing player that could turn into an ideal 3&D player.

Our starting lineup could look like: Russell, Beasley, Okoro, Nance Jr., Towns...

Now, we still have 2 draft picks to shore up our bench. At #17, I think we could go Jaylen Smith, the center from Maryland who is a rim protector but also a decent outside shooter. Smith could play next to KAT and Naz Reid while also being able to anchor the defense by himself with a smaller lineup.

Then with our 2nd round pick, we draft Tre Jones and pray that he is 90% as good as his brother.

This would be our depth chart after all this--
PG: Russell, Jones, Nowell
SG: Beasley, Okogie, Turner
SF: Okoro, Culver, Layman
PF: Nance Jr., Hernangomez, Vanderbilt
C: Towns, Reid, Smith
If Tre Jones is 90% of Tyus, then they are both worse than JMac who is 110% of what Tyus was here. Why waste the pick on such things has been my mantra. Maybe you'd want to dump Nowell and keep Russell, JMac, Jones...fine. But wait how did Turner end up in there at SG behind the likes of Okogie and behind Culver at SF? Which Turner are we talking about here?

Also not sure I get the drafting of Smith at C if we are already starting to logjam bigs by adding Nancejr to the starting rotation of what was originally a small ball sort of 1-3-1 plan. I can see them having another big on hand compared to this years roster for when opponents demand it. But two more? Hernangomez might be as big as they plan to have outside of Towns or maybe Wiseman pick. I'm just having trouble figuring out this one.

1. Regarding Turner, that's my bad I thought he had one more year in his contract. Thank god he doesn't. Gladly will remove him from the depth chart.
2. As far as JMac, I like him and he is obviously dynamic on the offensive end, but I do not trust him to play big minutes in the NBA... Tyus actually looked like a competent player during pivotal times for us in our playoff run. JMac impressed on a bottom 3 team in the league. With Turner out of the picture, I would obviously revise my post to include JMac, perhaps in between D'Lo and Tre Jones I this scenario (with Norwell replacing Turner's spot, as he is a more natural SG anyways)... Also, I think Russell and Tre Jones could share the court together for some minutes. It would give us a different wrinkle that we don't have, cause we are lacking that floor general in our backcourt.
3. For Smith, I think the Wolves need a rim protector. I'm hopeful that Nance Jr. could be that guy. He certainly can cover multiple positions, including other teams' centers. But we also know that KAT is not the greatest defender in the world and neither is Naz Reid. I don't think investing the #17 overall pick on a big that is known for rim protection is all that ridiculous. Sure, Smith doesn't really work in our shift to small ball, but I think it's important to have diversity in your depth chart in case you do need to pivot. Smith gives us that added wrinkle.


That is a nightmare scenario for me Nance is overated and Okoro can’t shoot at all.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#847 » by Domejandro » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:19 am

Posted over on the Trades and Transactions forum. Basically James Johnson, Miles Bridges, and #17 for Aaron Gordon, which I think is a fine deal for Minnesota, given our timeline.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Jacob Evans
1st Overall
45th Overall

Minnesota Timberwolves get:
Aaron Gordon
3rd Overall

Orlando Magic get:
James Johnson
Miles Bridges
17th Overall

D'Angelo Russell / Jordan McLaughlin
Malik Beasley / Jarrett Culver
Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Aaron Gordon / Juancho Hernangómez
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

+MLE, BAE, #3 and #33
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Post#848 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:01 am

Keep Bridges send Orlando Okogie.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#849 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:20 am

Neeva wrote:
MPLSwolves wrote:
Jedzz wrote:If Tre Jones is 90% of Tyus, then they are both worse than JMac who is 110% of what Tyus was here. Why waste the pick on such things has been my mantra. Maybe you'd want to dump Nowell and keep Russell, JMac, Jones...fine. But wait how did Turner end up in there at SG behind the likes of Okogie and behind Culver at SF? Which Turner are we talking about here?

Also not sure I get the drafting of Smith at C if we are already starting to logjam bigs by adding Nancejr to the starting rotation of what was originally a small ball sort of 1-3-1 plan. I can see them having another big on hand compared to this years roster for when opponents demand it. But two more? Hernangomez might be as big as they plan to have outside of Towns or maybe Wiseman pick. I'm just having trouble figuring out this one.

1. Regarding Turner, that's my bad I thought he had one more year in his contract. Thank god he doesn't. Gladly will remove him from the depth chart.
2. As far as JMac, I like him and he is obviously dynamic on the offensive end, but I do not trust him to play big minutes in the NBA... Tyus actually looked like a competent player during pivotal times for us in our playoff run. JMac impressed on a bottom 3 team in the league. With Turner out of the picture, I would obviously revise my post to include JMac, perhaps in between D'Lo and Tre Jones I this scenario (with Norwell replacing Turner's spot, as he is a more natural SG anyways)... Also, I think Russell and Tre Jones could share the court together for some minutes. It would give us a different wrinkle that we don't have, cause we are lacking that floor general in our backcourt.
3. For Smith, I think the Wolves need a rim protector. I'm hopeful that Nance Jr. could be that guy. He certainly can cover multiple positions, including other teams' centers. But we also know that KAT is not the greatest defender in the world and neither is Naz Reid. I don't think investing the #17 overall pick on a big that is known for rim protection is all that ridiculous. Sure, Smith doesn't really work in our shift to small ball, but I think it's important to have diversity in your depth chart in case you do need to pivot. Smith gives us that added wrinkle.


That is a nightmare scenario for me Nance is overated and Okoro can’t shoot at all.

Underrated not over. Nance is very good. A perfect PF to pair up with KAT and does it all.
I'm with you on Okoro.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#850 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:23 am

Domejandro wrote:Posted over on the Trades and Transactions forum. Basically James Johnson, Miles Bridges, and #17 for Aaron Gordon, which I think is a fine deal for Minnesota, given our timeline.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Jacob Evans
1st Overall
45th Overall

Minnesota Timberwolves get:
Aaron Gordon
3rd Overall

Orlando Magic get:
James Johnson
Miles Bridges
17th Overall

D'Angelo Russell / Jordan McLaughlin
Malik Beasley / Jarrett Culver
Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Aaron Gordon / Juancho Hernangómez
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

+MLE, BAE, #3 and #33

Giving up too much for 3 and Gordon. No thanks.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#851 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:28 pm

How would we all feel about doing a double trade back. Something like getting an asset from Charlotte to drop to three and then trading that pick to gain another asset? I know it would depend on the compensation, but let's just assume solid compensation for both trade backs.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#852 » by Baseline81 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:17 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Underrated not over. Nance is very good. A perfect PF to pair up with KAT and does it all.
I'm with you on Okoro.

Not sure you fully understand the meaning of the underlined word...
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Post#853 » by shrink » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:34 pm

Domejandro wrote:Posted over on the Trades and Transactions forum. Basically James Johnson, Miles Bridges, and #17 for Aaron Gordon [edit, plus downgrading #1 to #3] which I think is a fine deal for Minnesota, given our timeline.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Jacob Evans
1st Overall
45th Overall

Minnesota Timberwolves get:
Aaron Gordon
3rd Overall

Orlando Magic get:
James Johnson
Miles Bridges
17th Overall

D'Angelo Russell / Jordan McLaughlin
Malik Beasley / Jarrett Culver
Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Aaron Gordon / Juancho Hernangómez
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

+MLE, BAE, #3 and #33

It’s interesting. I agree with neeva that Gordon is not worth #17 and Bridges. #17 + Okogie, or even better, #17 + #33 and/or Omari Spellman is fair. It’s questionable now whether the Magic even want to trade Gordon, since Jonathan Isaac will likely miss the entire season next year, but if they do trade, that seems to me to be a reasonable price.

So the MIN side of the deal looks like this:

Out: #1, #17, #33, Spellman
In: #3, Aaron Gordon, Miles Bridges

I could live with that. The interesting thing to me is who we get at #3. If we did this trade, the Hornets would probably take Wiseman at #1. However, who the Warriors would pick at #2 is a mystery - based on whoever which team gives them the best win-now deal. So who’s left at #3?

Right now, for me, there is a clear tier between the top 3 prospects (Wiseman, Ball, Edwards) and the rest. This could change, and good or bad audition work outs could radically alter our perception since we didn’t get to see an NCAA season on these young men. However, if things stay the same, and at #3 we got either Ball or Edwards, I’d be OK with that. I wouldn’t mind keeping either for upside, or perhaps NYK (Ball) or ATL (Edwards) would offer one of those interesting trades. I’d be fine with either, and I think this is a good use of our picks.
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Post#854 » by shrink » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:53 pm

Btw, I always get Miles Bridges mixed up with Mikal Bridges on the Suns. Miles has a lot of athleticism, and in his second year is starting to score and rebound. However, he is under-sized at 6-6, only an average three point shooter, and had the worst defensive metrics on the team. Maybe he isn’t the type of guy you move down from 1 to 3 for. What else does CHA have that fits is better?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#855 » by NebWolvesFan » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:19 pm

shrink wrote:Btw, I always get Miles Bridges mixed up with Mikal Bridges on the Suns. Miles has a lot of athleticism, and in his second year is starting to score and rebound. However, he is under-sized at 6-6, only an average three point shooter, and had the worst defensive metrics on the team. Maybe he isn’t the type of guy you move down from 1 to 3 for. What else does CHA have that fits is better?


I don't think Bridges fits Minnesota's offense. He would be asked to shoot a lot of 3s which isn't his best skill. I would only do a 1 for 3/Bridges deal if Minnesota could flip Bridges. GIVE ME PJ!!!
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#856 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:24 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Underrated not over. Nance is very good. A perfect PF to pair up with KAT and does it all.
I'm with you on Okoro.

Not sure you fully understand the meaning of the underlined word...

Mild exaggeration. There's no such thing as perfect, but the skills that Nance has are more or less a perfect fit for our offense and defense.
He's a good 3 point shooter, passer, interior and perimeter defender, shot blocker and passer. So what skill is he lacking that we want from the PF slot.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#857 » by TheZachAttack » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:28 pm

shrink wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Posted over on the Trades and Transactions forum. Basically James Johnson, Miles Bridges, and #17 for Aaron Gordon [edit, plus downgrading #1 to #3] which I think is a fine deal for Minnesota, given our timeline.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Jacob Evans
1st Overall
45th Overall

Minnesota Timberwolves get:
Aaron Gordon
3rd Overall

Orlando Magic get:
James Johnson
Miles Bridges
17th Overall

D'Angelo Russell / Jordan McLaughlin
Malik Beasley / Jarrett Culver
Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Aaron Gordon / Juancho Hernangómez
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

+MLE, BAE, #3 and #33

It’s interesting. I agree with neeva that Gordon is not worth #17 and Bridges. #17 + Okogie, or even better, #17 + #33 and/or Omari Spellman is fair. It’s questionable now whether the Magic even want to trade Gordon, since Jonathan Isaac will likely miss the entire season next year, but if they do trade, that seems to me to be a reasonable price.

So the MIN side of the deal looks like this:

Out: #1, #17, #33, Spellman
In: #3, Aaron Gordon, Miles Bridges

I could live with that. The interesting thing to me is who we get at #3. If we did this trade, the Hornets would probably take Wiseman at #1. However, who the Warriors would pick at #2 is a mystery - based on whoever which team gives them the best win-now deal. So who’s left at #3?

Right now, for me, there is a clear tier between the top 3 prospects (Wiseman, Ball, Edwards) and the rest. This could change, and good or bad audition work outs could radically alter our perception since we didn’t get to see an NCAA season on these young men. However, if things stay the same, and at #3 we got either Ball or Edwards, I’d be OK with that. I wouldn’t mind keeping either for upside, or perhaps NYK (Ball) or ATL (Edwards) would offer one of those interesting trades. I’d be fine with either, and I think this is a good use of our picks.



I don't like Gordon, but trading salary filler, #1 pick, #17 for Gordon and #3 in a draft with 3 prospects who are clearly the top tier each with their own uncertainties would be a steal of a deal and definitely create a situation where the Wolves have a lot more talent on the roster.

It seems like a good move also from the perspective of trying to trade for a 3rd star in the future. Gordon + Beasley + one of Wiseman/Edwards/Ball seems like as good of a package as any team could expect for pretty much any level star in the league. I'm not sure I could come up with a trade of a superstar where the team trading that star has received a package at that level.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#858 » by minimus » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:29 pm

Will you be upset with this scenario:

Trade with ATL:
Out: #1, Spellman, Evans
In: #6, Сam Reddish or De'Andre Hunter

Trade with ORL:
Out: #17, JJ
In: Aaron Gordon

Sign and trade Juancho for future SRP.

Draft OO, Bolmaro (eurostash). Resign, Beasley, Jmac, Juancho.

KAT/OO/Reid
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Reddish/Layman/Culver
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/Culver/JMac
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#859 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:31 pm

shrink wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Posted over on the Trades and Transactions forum. Basically James Johnson, Miles Bridges, and #17 for Aaron Gordon [edit, plus downgrading #1 to #3] which I think is a fine deal for Minnesota, given our timeline.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Jacob Evans
1st Overall
45th Overall

Minnesota Timberwolves get:
Aaron Gordon
3rd Overall

Orlando Magic get:
James Johnson
Miles Bridges
17th Overall

D'Angelo Russell / Jordan McLaughlin
Malik Beasley / Jarrett Culver
Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Aaron Gordon / Juancho Hernangómez
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

+MLE, BAE, #3 and #33

It’s interesting. I agree with neeva that Gordon is not worth #17 and Bridges. #17 + Okogie, or even better, #17 + #33 and/or Omari Spellman is fair. It’s questionable now whether the Magic even want to trade Gordon, since Jonathan Isaac will likely miss the entire season next year, but if they do trade, that seems to me to be a reasonable price.

So the MIN side of the deal looks like this:

Out: #1, #17, #33, Spellman
In: #3, Aaron Gordon, Miles Bridges

I could live with that. The interesting thing to me is who we get at #3. If we did this trade, the Hornets would probably take Wiseman at #1. However, who the Warriors would pick at #2 is a mystery - based on whoever which team gives them the best win-now deal. So who’s left at #3?

Right now, for me, there is a clear tier between the top 3 prospects (Wiseman, Ball, Edwards) and the rest. This could change, and good or bad audition work outs could radically alter our perception since we didn’t get to see an NCAA season on these young men. However, if things stay the same, and at #3 we got either Ball or Edwards, I’d be OK with that. I wouldn’t mind keeping either for upside, or perhaps NYK (Ball) or ATL (Edwards) would offer one of those interesting trades. I’d be fine with either, and I think this is a good use of our picks.

I couldn't live with Bridges as our only compensation to move down from 1-3. First of all they'd take Wiseman who is my top choice in the draft. Second the Warriors who pick second could take the next best player or trade to somebody who does. If we don't want Wiseman which IMO is a mistake who do we want? Edwards could easily go 2nd. I hope we have zero interest in Ball, but OMG we might take him. If we're going to take the risk of the trade back we better be getting Washington.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#860 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:31 pm

shrink wrote:Btw, I always get Miles Bridges mixed up with Mikal Bridges on the Suns. Miles has a lot of athleticism, and in his second year is starting to score and rebound. However, he is under-sized at 6-6, only an average three point shooter, and had the worst defensive metrics on the team. Maybe he isn’t the type of guy you move down from 1 to 3 for. What else does CHA have that fits is better?

Washington.

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