ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

tvwolves7 · Post #841 » by **tvwolves7** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:46 am

TheNewEra wrote:Damn that is dedication.lol Rubio at 27 could be on his rookie contract overseas waiting for a trade.

I just feel Flynn derserves you guys support soooooooooo much more he is marketable and he is one hell of a player and he is above all else wants to play for the Wolves. Package Rubio for a stud SG and this is a playoff contender.

Because we do not want to trade Rubio, Flynn does not get any respect?

Foye · Post #842 » by **Foye** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:46 am

Yeah it is time to get rubio out of the head for the next two years and support Flynn you're right.

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #843 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:48 am

Rubio's best case scenario is to get to the NBA this year and get through his rookie contract as soon as possible. Ultimately, this year will be his first year of his rookie deal although I doubt it starts in training camp. I wonder if he can complete the ACB season and still play at least 1 game of the NBA season. He wouldn't get much prorated cash but he would be 1 year closer to his second contract.

tvwolves7 · Post #844 » by **tvwolves7** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:52 am

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:Rubio's best case scenario is to get to the NBA this year and get through his rookie contract as soon as possible. Ultimately, this year will be his first year of his rookie deal although I doubt it starts in training camp. I wonder if he can complete the ACB season and still play at least 1 game of the NBA season. He wouldn't get much prorated cash but he would be 1 year closer to his second contract.

Why would the wolves allow that?

dschroeder01 · Post #845 » by **dschroeder01** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:54 am

[quote="Dan's with the Wolves"]Rubio's best case scenario is to get to the NBA this year and get through his rookie contract as soon as possible. Ultimately, this year will be his first year of his rookie deal although I doubt it starts in training camp. I wonder if he can complete the ACB season and still play at least 1 game of the NBA season. He wouldn't get much prorated cash but he would be 1 year closer to his second contract.[/quote]

You're right...except for the last part.

[i]The Minnesota Timberwolves have drafted the most exciting player to enter the NBA since Allen Iverson. All that stands between Ricky Rubio and the Minnesota Timberwolves is a 6.7 million dollar buyout owed to his current team DKV Joventut, to negate the final two years of his contract. Several lawyers have speculated that Rubio’s contract is not binding, but for the purpose of this article, we will assume that the contract Rubio signed when he was 14 is legitimate.

Following the rookie salary scale and NBA salary cap, below is the money Ricky Rubio can expect to make by executing the options available to him over an eight year period. This breakdown assumes that Rubio will get a max contract after his fifth year and that a Euro team would pay him 3M per season in addition to buying out his contract in full, an action that NBA teams are restricted from performing.

Buyout, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
Signs with MN this year
-6.1M, 3.3M, 3.5M, 3.8M, 4.8M, 6.3M, 9M, 11M, 11M = 46.6M

Waits one year
-6.1M, .1M, 3.3M, 3.5M, 3.8M, 4.8M, 6.3M, 9M, 11M = 35.7M

Waits two years
0M, .1M, .1M, 3.3M, 3.5M, 3.8M, 4.8M, 6.3M, 9M = 30.9M

Signs 3 year contract with Euro team, including full buyout
0M, 3M, 3M, 3M, 3.3M, 3.5M, 3.8M, 4.8M, 6.3M = 30.7M

Signs 4 year contract with Euro team, including full buyout
0, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3.3M, 3.5M, 3.8M, 4.8M = 27.4M

A few caveats, this analysis does not take into account marketing or taxes. Rubio will make less money in the NBA because of taxes, but more from marketing. Teams in Europe pay the income tax of their players, whereas it’s the players responsibility in the NBA. Rubio will have to pay federal income tax, plus state income tax in EVERY NBA city he plays in, including 41 games in MN, which has a very high state income tax. From a marketing perspective, Rubio can expect to make substantially more in the NBA, regardless of which team he plays for, but I will leave that breakdown for a future post.

Even with the tax and marketing voids, it’s clear that Rubio should sign with MN yesterday. Waiting a year, his second best option, basically lops off 11M in salary made over an 8 year period. Ricky Rubio is going to lose money every additional year that he doesn’t sign with an NBA team. [/i]

http://jfsports.wordpress.com/2009/07/0 ... -analysis/

skorff26 · Post #846 » by **skorff26** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:54 am

TheNewEra wrote:Damn that is dedication.lol Rubio at 27 could be on his rookie contract overseas waiting for a trade.

I just feel Flynn derserves you guys support soooooooooo much more he is marketable and he is one hell of a player and he is above all else wants to play for the Wolves. Package Rubio for a stud SG and this is a playoff contender.

If someone offered a stud SG then there is a chance that we would accept it, but most offers have been bad and we aren't giving him away.

tvwolves7 · Post #847 » by **tvwolves7** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:01 am

dschroeder01 wrote:A few caveats, this analysis does not take into account marketing or taxes. Rubio will make less money in the NBA because of taxes, but more from marketing. Teams in Europe pay the income tax of their players, whereas it’s the players responsibility in the NBA. Rubio will have to pay federal income tax, plus state income tax in EVERY NBA city he plays in, including 41 games in MN, which has a very high state income tax. From a marketing perspective, Rubio can expect to make substantially more in the NBA, regardless of which team he plays for, but I will leave that breakdown for a future post.

Even with the tax and marketing voids, it’s clear that Rubio should sign with MN yesterday. Waiting a year, his second best option, basically lops off 11M in salary made over an 8 year period. Ricky Rubio is going to lose money every additional year that he doesn’t sign with an NBA team. [/i]

Good analysis. He is obviously playing to make money, but it is his goal to be in the NBA also. I obviously do not know him but it sounds like if he was going to end up making roughly the same or a little less in the NBA then Europe, he would still prefer to play in the NBA.

Zeitgeister · Post #848 » by **Zeitgeister** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:02 am

Larry Bird - was drafted a year before he started playing in the NBA
Ricky Rubio - may not play in the NBA for another year as well

Larry Bird - joined a team that was one of the worst in the league, and turned it into an instant title contender
Ricky Rubio - will join a team that is one of the worst, and will make it an instant contender...

Larry Bird - great passer
Ricky Rubio - great passer

anyone seeing the resemblance? LOL

Marc · Post #849 » by **Marc** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:33 am

Zeitgeister wrote:Larry Bird - was drafted a year before he started playing in the NBA
Ricky Rubio - may not play in the NBA for another year as well

Larry Bird - joined a team that was one of the worst in the league, and turned it into an instant title contender
Ricky Rubio - will join a team that is one of the worst, and will make it an instant contender...

Larry Bird - great passer
Ricky Rubio - great passer

anyone seeing the resemblance? LOL

Larry is one of the best shooters ever! Rubio not so much, lol

AQuintus · Post #850 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:35 am

Zeitgeister wrote:Larry Bird - was drafted a year before he started playing in the NBA
Ricky Rubio - may not play in the NBA for another year as well

Larry Bird - joined a team that was one of the worst in the league, and turned it into an instant title contender
Ricky Rubio - will join a team that is one of the worst, and will make it an instant contender...

Larry Bird - great passer
Ricky Rubio - great passer

anyone seeing the resemblance? LOL

You forgot the most import comparison of all:

Larry Bird - White
Ricky Rubio - White

Esohny · Post #851 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:41 am

AQuintus wrote:
Zeitgeister wrote:Larry Bird - was drafted a year before he started playing in the NBA
Ricky Rubio - may not play in the NBA for another year as well

Larry Bird - joined a team that was one of the worst in the league, and turned it into an instant title contender
Ricky Rubio - will join a team that is one of the worst, and will make it an instant contender...

Larry Bird - great passer
Ricky Rubio - great passer

anyone seeing the resemblance? LOL

You forgot the most import comparison of all:

Larry Bird - White
Ricky Rubio - White

We need to get somebody with a 197 IQ in here to talk about this issue.

AQuintus · Post #852 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:46 am

Esohny wrote:We need to get somebody with a 197 IQ in here to talk about this issue.

Fortunately for us, the one person in the world (and maybe the history of the world) with an IQ of exactly 197 happens to be an avid poster on this very website.

dunkonu21 · Post #853 » by **dunkonu21** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:51 am

http://onemansblog.com/2007/11/08/the-m ... ighest-iq/

Frozen3161 · Post #854 » by **Frozen3161** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:40 am

I wonder what Wikipedia's IQ is..

Esohny · Post #855 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:39 am

A good summary of what most reasonable people think about the situation, although I was shocked that Aschburner would be reasonable.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... ref=sihpT1

Marc · Post #856 » by **Marc** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:19 am

Main difference between Rubio and Robinson-Bird is that Robinson wanted to play for the Spurs and Bird wanted to play for Celtics. So far, Rubio gave all indicates that he doesn't want to play for the TWolves.

AQuintus · Post #857 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:28 am

Marc wrote:Main difference between Rubio and Robinson-Bird is that Robinson wanted to play for the Spurs and Bird wanted to play for Celtics. So far, Rubio gave all indicates that he doesn't want to play for the TWolves.

Examples please?

Esohny · Post #858 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:53 am

AQuintus wrote:
Marc wrote:Main difference between Rubio and Robinson-Bird is that Robinson wanted to play for the Spurs and Bird wanted to play for Celtics. So far, Rubio gave all indicates that he doesn't want to play for the TWolves.

Examples please?

I know you have to ask to make the point that this guy is pulling "facts" from the Ether, but I haven't seen an answer to this question yet, no matter which knicks/clippers/greek fan is asked. I'm on pins and needles.

Marc · Post #859 » by **Marc** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:53 am

AQuintus wrote:
Marc wrote:Main difference between Rubio and Robinson-Bird is that Robinson wanted to play for the Spurs and Bird wanted to play for Celtics. So far, Rubio gave all indicates that he doesn't want to play for the TWolves.

Examples please?

Some quotes: My mom doesn't like cold wether. I was surprised with Flynn pick. I got used to the idea of playing for the Kings. I love New York. There are more, lol.

I am not totally sold on the fact that in 2 years from now he will join Minnesota. I hope he would but i am not sure. I could imagine an scenario in which he signs a ridiculous long-term contract with Real Madrid, LOL

Esohny · Post #860 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 8:02 am

Marc wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Marc wrote:Main difference between Rubio and Robinson-Bird is that Robinson wanted to play for the Spurs and Bird wanted to play for Celtics. So far, Rubio gave all indicates that he doesn't want to play for the TWolves.

Examples please?

Some quotes: My mom doesn't like cold wether. I was surprised with Flynn pick. I got used to the idea of playing for the Kings. I love New York. There are more, lol.

Like "I don't want to play for the Timberwolves?"