Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[TwolvesFanRome]

I smile reading post about difference between PF and C in the 2018...

[Macwolf527]

Has KAT ever expressed any real preference at playing C over PF?

He sees himself as a center. I remember him making some impassioned plea in defense of centers when the All Star Game considered voting for three bigs, rather than two bigs and a center.

It's a very small sample size but in 2015-2016, it shows him playing very well at the PF in the 3 games that Pek started at center. If my memory serves me correctly, Dieng started 39 games that year and he often guarded the center on the opposing team. KG started next to KAT the other 38 games, and he often guarded the post as well. I can't visualize to many PF's just having their way with KAT that year on the perimeter. Matter of fact, I think it freed him up more to be a weak side defender. He blocked more shots that year than any other, because he was not primarily responsible for rim defense. If we're planning to run the offense through him, I would rather he not have to exert energy battling big bodies in the post, so he has energy down the stretch. I think this was the plan when we drafted Patton, having to bigs that could switch on the parameter but help weak side blocking shots.

[Slim Tubby]

I think the only trade that Wolves and Heat fans can agree on is sending Howard Cosell to Brooklyn.

If sending out Butler with Dieng's contract nets us Whiteside and Richardson, at this point I could live with that but wouldn't be overly excited about it.

[ifrosty13]

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

Unless someone put in a better offer than Miami that we don't know about that forces Riley's hand I don't see why he would feel like he needs to up his past offers. If chit get tight, I think he feels forced to throw him in, but we have had no indication that any other team is in serious conversation with Minnesota, we heard inklings of Houston which have gone silent since (which sounds like a leverage play) and a bunch of offers that have been rejected by other team, meanwhile, Miami's name keeps coming up.

[Neeva]

Well then the heat aint getting all star jimmy butler now go away lol

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

[MN7725]

Bringing in a center like Whiteside is worth risking this? Even if the risk is small?

You guys going on the record with that, and the “force him to do his job,” strategy?

Why is there any risk?

Or how is the risk of upsetting KAT with Whiteside any different than extending Dieng or spending a first round pick on Patton?

KAT will be the player "displaced" out of position if anyone is, with any of those three players

[shrink]

Bringing in a center like Whiteside is worth risking this? Even if the risk is small?

You guys going on the record with that, and the “force him to do his job,” strategy?

Why is there any risk?

Or how is the risk of upsetting KAT with Whiteside any different than extending Dieng or spending a first round pick on Patton?

KAT will be the player "displaced" out of position if anyone is, with any of those three players

Those are already sunk costs, and neither displaces KAT from his favorite position, like Whiteside would? It signals that the Wolves have lost faith in him learning to defend underneath, and are moving on.

It’s all speculation.

[Slim Tubby]

Why is there any risk?

Or how is the risk of upsetting KAT with Whiteside any different than extending Dieng or spending a first round pick on Patton?

KAT will be the player "displaced" out of position if anyone is, with any of those three players

Those are already sunk costs, and neither displaces KAT from his favorite position, like Whiteside would? It signals that the Wolves have given up on him learning to defend underneath, and are moving on.

It’s all speculation.

I share your concerns, shrink...but I would like to believe that Taylor and Thibs would be smart enough to consult with KAT about acquiring Hassan in any deal. Of course, this IS the Wolves we're talking about...

[mplsfonz23]

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

Unless someone put in a better offer than Miami that we don't know about that forces Riley's hand I don't see why he would feel like he needs to up his past offers. If chit get tight, I think he feels forced to throw him in, but we have had no indication that any other team is in serious conversation with Minnesota, we heard inklings of Houston which have gone silent since (which sounds like a leverage play) and a bunch of offers that have been rejected by other team, meanwhile, Miami's name keeps coming up.

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

[LibertyPrime]

Has KAT ever expressed any real preference at playing C over PF?

I'm pretty sure he has. I wouldn't bet my life on it though.

I remember during one of those "get to know him" media pieces when he was just starting out, he described himself as a "forward". It always stuck in my mind because my immediate reaction was, "uh, you know you're being drafted to play C, right?" Wish I could remember where I saw it. Anyhoo, I'm sure he and Hassan could co-exist, if not thrive together.

[ifrosty13]

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

Unless someone put in a better offer than Miami that we don't know about that forces Riley's hand I don't see why he would feel like he needs to up his past offers. If chit get tight, I think he feels forced to throw him in, but we have had no indication that any other team is in serious conversation with Minnesota, we heard inklings of Houston which have gone silent since (which sounds like a leverage play) and a bunch of offers that have been rejected by other team, meanwhile, Miami's name keeps coming up.

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

[cpfsf]

There is a race to be the first to report, news is always accessible across multiple platforms, and there are channels dedicated to 24 hours of news. But it feels a little annoying that very few interesting reports get leaked out with butler. I just want to find out the result. To put a rest to the question what is butler worth. This speculation crap isn't scratching the itch.

Now i feel like I'm partly responsible for the bad aspects of media. Just wanting news to occur.

[urinesane]

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

Unless someone put in a better offer than Miami that we don't know about that forces Riley's hand I don't see why he would feel like he needs to up his past offers. If chit get tight, I think he feels forced to throw him in, but we have had no indication that any other team is in serious conversation with Minnesota, we heard inklings of Houston which have gone silent since (which sounds like a leverage play) and a bunch of offers that have been rejected by other team, meanwhile, Miami's name keeps coming up.

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

You guys really need more hobbies. It's just like when people were telling us that Wiggins wouldn't be included in the Love trade, which we obviously stated "Well, then the Cavs won't be getting Love." Same $hit different year, stop acting like Riley is somehow going to pull it off without giving Richardson up, it's silly and a waste of everyone's time.

[shrink]

Trying to hold onto Jason Richardson in a Jimmy Butler deal would be like us arguing about giving up Trenton Hassell in a trade for Shareef Abdul Rahim.

A fourth starter should not keep a team from trading for the best player on their team.

[big3_8_19_21]

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

You guys really need more hobbies. It's just like when people were telling us that Wiggins wouldn't be included in the Love trade, which we obviously stated "Well, then the Cavs won't be getting Love." Same $hit different year, stop acting like Riley is somehow going to pull it off without giving Richardson up, it's silly and a waste of everyone's time.

Also, of the rumored deals that Doogie reported (yes, I know, conflicting reports out of Milwaukee), Miami's offer is the low man on the totem pole. I go with Brogdon from Mil first, Gordon and Tucker from Hou second, Miami with Whiteside and Dragic not at all.

[big3_8_19_21]

Trying to hold onto Jason Richardson in a Jimmy Butler deal would be like us arguing about giving up Trenton Hassell in a trade for Shareef Abdul Rahim.

A fourth starter should not keep a team from trading for the best player on their team.

I agree and I feel insane that it's even a discussion.

[Satch]

"take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich" Umm what else of worth to the Wolves is there?

[Neeva]

"take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich" Umm what else of worth to the Wolves is there?

With those contracts nothing lol how delusional are Riley and the Heat? jesus they think they can solve their cap issues and get an all star?

[Rashodamus]

If he goes to the press tomorrow, and says he’s not happy in MIN, that ain’t good. He doesn’t have to fake injuries for 5 years (anyone remember Vince Carter tanking his value?).

And before we hear the “he’s too loyal,” remember that he wasn’t going to sign an extension here until he discussed things with management.

And if that happened you literally show him his contract and say I will see you at target center on the court playing for the wolves, or in street clothes as a non NBA player wishing they still made 30M a year.

[Dewey]

Gonna be lots of rumors - most teams are gonna bank that we'll cave to their lowball offer. We'd prolly all do the same.

Jimmy has himself in a situation he didn't see coming ... teams are unwilling to pony up a qualty asset. He has somewhat created this mess...