2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[KGdaBom]

There's some great stuff about Deni on the Charlotte board. He might not be the poor shooter than many think he is.
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I watched some video of Demi last night and the obvious stood out to me...poor 3-point shooting, poor FT shooting , great ball handling, good passing and excellent vision of the court.

The one thing that really stood out, especially on defense, is his complete lack of lateral quickness against Euro talent. Athletically, he’s far inferior than the other top prospects and for the Wiseman haters, Demi would be even worse defending on the perimeter at the 4 in the NBA.


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I thought he was supposed to be pretty solid on D. I will look into this more. As for the poor shooting that may have just been a temporary phase he was going through. Recent results have been good.

[Rookie-Mistake]

A poor man's Bjelica?

There's some great stuff about Deni on the Charlotte board. He might not be the poor shooter than many think he is.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1987089&start=100

I watched some video of Demi last night and the obvious stood out to me...poor 3-point shooting, poor FT shooting , great ball handling, good passing and excellent vision of the court.

The one thing that really stood out, especially on defense, is his complete lack of lateral quickness against Euro talent. Athletically, he’s far inferior than the other top prospects and for the Wiseman haters, Demi would be even worse defending on the perimeter at the 4 in the NBA.


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[Nick K]

More interesting stuff from the article I posted earlier.

Second, shots at the rim are simply more valuable. The average attempt in the restricted area was worth 1.27 points this season, as compared to 1.17 points for the average 3-point attempt from the corners and 1.05 points for 3-pointers taken from elsewhere on the court.

Because of that math, job No. 1 for a modern NBA defense is preventing opponents from getting to the rim, even more than preventing 3-pointers.

Among the NBA's top 10 defenses in 2019-20, just one team (the Philadelphia 76ers) ranked in the top eight in preventing 3-pointers. Conversely, four of the top 10 (including Milwaukee and Toronto) were among the eight teams that allowed the most 3-point attempts.

However, six of this year's top 10 defenses were in the top eight in preventing shots in the restricted area around the basket, per analysis of data from NBA Advanced Stats, and none in the bottom eight.

It's here where the zone shines. Per Second Spectrum tracking, teams shot 3s far more frequently against zones (53% of their shot attempts, as compared to 38% of shot attempts against man-to-man defense). But zone defenses dramatically reduced shots in the restricted area, from 26% of attempts against man-to-man to just 16% against zone.

The increased emphasis on protecting the rim, and the zone's effectiveness in doing so, has led three of the four teams in the conference finals to use zone this round. Only the Denver Nuggets, who are down 3-1 in the West finals, have yet to break it out.

Great post! I agree with this and that's why we need an Okongwu in there. We lose so many 2nd chance points and defensive rebounds because we don't block out. It drives me nuts. I'm not sold on Wiseman in that role either. I still think we're taking Edwards due to his high end offensive upside. I love Vanderbilt as that potential defender but it's too early to tell.

We need a Dennis Rodman type sans make-up and high heels to take care of business inside.

[Nick K]

You'll likely respond with "you cannot trust what the media say," but here's Doogie (approximately 1 minute into video):

https://www.facebook.com/SKORNorth/videos/773910856725976/

Ask yourself, what benefit would he get from saying this? His source could be lying, I suppose. It comes down to what you believe and from whom? Do you feel Rosas is telling the truth regarding Wiseman as a possibility?

Please explain how Towns and Wiseman would function defensively? I do not believe Towns can hang, especially if a team goes small ball.

Exactly.You absolutely can't believe what the Wolves are doing preparing for the draft by what Doogie says. No way in HELL. If I'm Rosas I'm misleading Doogie in every way I possibly can. If I want Wiseman I would do everything in my power to make other teams believe I want Ball or Edwards etc...

It's hard to have perfect defense of your opponents. However, If they go small ball we kick their a$$ by going tall ball. How is a small ball lineup going to defend KAT and Wiseman? Answer: they're not. Why change our game based on their lineups. Force them to change based on our lineup.
Having a player with Wiseman's length and athleticism to defend the rim and rebound will do wonders for our defense.

How about Krawczynski?

The Wolves are pretty well established that they would prefer not to play two bigs at the same time. I think they want a 4 for their frontcourt, not a 5. They see Towns as a 5 and think that's their best configuration going forward. Is it the right approach? We'll see. I'm not sure who they are going to take if they stay at 1, but I can say I think Wiseman is unlikely.

That says it so well. Whether we like it or not that is the way the Wolves front office thinks. That's why no Wiseman or even Okongwu.

It will be interesting on draft night if they draft Ball or Wiseman. That tells me they have a trade lined up.

[Nick K]

There's some great stuff about Deni on the Charlotte board. He might not be the poor shooter than many think he is.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1987089&start=100

If I knew Deni could really shoot I'd like him a lot more. Not at #1 but in a trade down. Still I don't see the Wolves having any interest.

The Wolves will draft for the highest upside player. They will roll the dice on that. Hell, you're rolling the dice on all these guys.

[Nick K]

Doogie said on his podcast that the Wolves are researching between Lamelo and Edwards or trade. Wiseman isn’t on our radar as the Wolves don’t want to play two centers together.

I don't think posters understand how tied in Doogie is with the Wolves. Doogie talks to everybody in the organization not just Rosas. If he knows who the pick is he wouldn't say it. He might say it in the most general way included with others. I believe what was posted above as highly likely.

[Nick K]

Shangrila you're better than a post like this.

Ironic

1: Burden of proof that KAT can't play the PF is on those who say he can't. I've seen no evidence supporting that stance.

What do you want? Do you want his entire career of not playing PF despite having Dieng on the roster the entire time? Or perhaps that brief stretch in Smitch's year where he and Gorgui did share the court and got demolished by any half decent perimeter big? Or maybe that he already struggles in drop coverage, the easiest defensive system for a big and a step below what guarding in space is like?

It's asinine to act like the burden of proof is on me. There is no evidence that he can play PF. No prior history, no future indicators. Nothing but the fact that you're enamoured with Wiseman and are desperate to fit him and Towns together. If you have something other than a hope and a prayer, I'd love to see it.

2: KAT isn't great defensively Got it. Wiseman has no particular issues either offensively or defensively.

This. This right here is what pisses me off.

Wiseman isn't perfect. His shot is years away from being consistent. He bites on pump fakes too often. His numbers came against mostly sub par competition.

I don't hate him but Christ, he's not anywhere close to the perfect prospect you and others make him out to be. And when you then debate as if that opinion is a fact, it's annoying.

3: No that isn't all I want, but I'm so freaking sick of opponents attacking our rim uncontested and getting way too many offensive rebounds.

Ok? You brought it up as a reason to draft Wiseman. My point that we can fill that role elsewhere still stands.

If you're trying to sell me a role player with the #1 pick you'd best go elsewhere 'cause I'm not buying. You want to sell me a star I'm all ears, but you actually have to try and sell me something. Don't just tell me he's awesome, actually demonstrate it...with something more than a crossover and per36 numbers against crap competition.

I have to say shangrila, I couldn't agree more. I've tried to like Wiseman but I'm not seeing guaranteed star talent. There are warts with every pick in this draft.

The main thing though is Rosas' vision for the team and it isn't KAT and Wiseman together. It just isn't going to happen. Okongwu either, who I love, and who would be the perfect fit for us. I don't think they see home run upside for OO and that's what they are looking for.

[minimus]

Shangrila you're better than a post like this.

Ironic

1: Burden of proof that KAT can't play the PF is on those who say he can't. I've seen no evidence supporting that stance.

What do you want? Do you want his entire career of not playing PF despite having Dieng on the roster the entire time? Or perhaps that brief stretch in Smitch's year where he and Gorgui did share the court and got demolished by any half decent perimeter big? Or maybe that he already struggles in drop coverage, the easiest defensive system for a big and a step below what guarding in space is like?

It's asinine to act like the burden of proof is on me. There is no evidence that he can play PF. No prior history, no future indicators. Nothing but the fact that you're enamoured with Wiseman and are desperate to fit him and Towns together. If you have something other than a hope and a prayer, I'd love to see it.

2: KAT isn't great defensively Got it. Wiseman has no particular issues either offensively or defensively.

This. This right here is what pisses me off.

Wiseman isn't perfect. His shot is years away from being consistent. He bites on pump fakes too often. His numbers came against mostly sub par competition.

I don't hate him but Christ, he's not anywhere close to the perfect prospect you and others make him out to be. And when you then debate as if that opinion is a fact, it's annoying.

3: No that isn't all I want, but I'm so freaking sick of opponents attacking our rim uncontested and getting way too many offensive rebounds.

Ok? You brought it up as a reason to draft Wiseman. My point that we can fill that role elsewhere still stands.

If you're trying to sell me a role player with the #1 pick you'd best go elsewhere 'cause I'm not buying. You want to sell me a star I'm all ears, but you actually have to try and sell me something. Don't just tell me he's awesome, actually demonstrate it...with something more than a crossover and per36 numbers against crap competition.

I have to say shangrila, I couldn't agree more. I've tried to like Wiseman but I'm not seeing guaranteed star talent. There are warts with every pick in this draft.

The main thing though is Rosas' vision for the team and it isn't KAT and Wiseman together. It just isn't going to happen. Okongwu either, who I love, and who would be the perfect fit for us. I don't think they see home run upside for OO and that's what they are looking for.

I can see us drafting Okongwu, trading KAT for a superstar wing and winning championship with Okongwu as starting big in 1-3-1 scheme. Sounds very weird but who knows.

[minimus]

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Okoro out top10. Terry in.

[Neeva]

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Okoro out top10. Terry in.

Hmmm Maxey or Terry at 17 if available will be a slam dunk for the wolves, someone good will fall. This draft is deeper than people think.

[minimus]

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Okoro out top10. Terry in.

Hmmm Maxey or Terry at 17 if available will be a slam dunk for the wolves, someone good will fall. This draft is deeper than people think.

If Terry is 6'3", 180lbs I'd draft him around 6-7 pick in a heartbeat

[Neeva]

Would not be surprised to see wiseman, okoro, Toppin fall on draft night.

[minimus]

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Wow! Now he is officially my favorite player of 2020 draft after Hayes. My personal list is Hayes, Terry, Tillman and Tillie.

Last season, Terry ranked in the 99th percentile in catch-and-shoot opportunities, and he shot 40.8 percent from three, while also hitting 89.1 percent of his free throws. Terry has a beautiful release on his shot, so those numbers certainly aren’t misleading. Also, he’s a lot more than just a spot-up guy, as he was the lead ball handler for Stanford, and he projects as an on-ball player in the NBA, thanks to his tremendous basketball IQ. Terry is a great off-the-dribble shooter, which is a skill that teams value greatly.

P.S. Sorry for hype waves!

[KGdaBom]

Exactly.You absolutely can't believe what the Wolves are doing preparing for the draft by what Doogie says. No way in HELL. If I'm Rosas I'm misleading Doogie in every way I possibly can. If I want Wiseman I would do everything in my power to make other teams believe I want Ball or Edwards etc...

It's hard to have perfect defense of your opponents. However, If they go small ball we kick their a$$ by going tall ball. How is a small ball lineup going to defend KAT and Wiseman? Answer: they're not. Why change our game based on their lineups. Force them to change based on our lineup.
Having a player with Wiseman's length and athleticism to defend the rim and rebound will do wonders for our defense.

How about Krawczynski?

The Wolves are pretty well established that they would prefer not to play two bigs at the same time. I think they want a 4 for their frontcourt, not a 5. They see Towns as a 5 and think that's their best configuration going forward. Is it the right approach? We'll see. I'm not sure who they are going to take if they stay at 1, but I can say I think Wiseman is unlikely.

That says it so well. Whether we like it or not that is the way the Wolves front office thinks. That's why no Wiseman or even Okongwu.

It will be interesting on draft night if they draft Ball or Wiseman. That tells me they have a trade lined up.

if we want a 4 Okongwu is by FAR the best 4 in the draft. So why in hell would that mean no Okongwu.

[KGdaBom]

Would not be surprised to see wiseman, okoro, Toppin fall on draft night.

I would.

[KGdaBom]

There's some great stuff about Deni on the Charlotte board. He might not be the poor shooter than many think he is.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1987089&start=100

If I knew Deni could really shoot I'd like him a lot more. Not at #1 but in a trade down. Still I don't see the Wolves having any interest.

The Wolves will draft for the highest upside player. They will roll the dice on that. Hell, you're rolling the dice on all these guys.

If we want Deni we need to draft him at #1 because odds are we would not get him if we traded down.

[KGdaBom]

There's some great stuff about Deni on the Charlotte board. He might not be the poor shooter than many think he is.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1987089&start=100

If I knew Deni could really shoot I'd like him a lot more. Not at #1 but in a trade down. Still I don't see the Wolves having any interest.

The Wolves will draft for the highest upside player. They will roll the dice on that. Hell, you're rolling the dice on all these guys.

Nick now where would you possibly get the idea that the Wolves have no interest in Deni?

[KGdaBom]

Doogie said on his podcast that the Wolves are researching between Lamelo and Edwards or trade. Wiseman isn’t on our radar as the Wolves don’t want to play two centers together.

I don't think posters understand how tied in Doogie is with the Wolves. Doogie talks to everybody in the organization not just Rosas. If he knows who the pick is he wouldn't say it. He might say it in the most general way included with others. I believe what was posted above as highly likely.

No matter how tied in with the Wolves Doogie is he will not find out anything that the Wolves don't want leaked to the public.

[KGdaBom]

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Okoro out top10. Terry in.

Hmmm Maxey or Terry at 17 if available will be a slam dunk for the wolves, someone good will fall. This draft is deeper than people think.

What gives you this thinking that Maxey is a star? Please help me out with that.

[Klomp]

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Okoro out top10. Terry in.

Hmmm Maxey or Terry at 17 if available will be a slam dunk for the wolves, someone good will fall. This draft is deeper than people think.

What gives you this thinking that Maxey is a star? Please help me out with that.

Where in that post did he say he's a star?