2016 draft thread: Part 2

[cpfsf]

I think Draft Express sometimes changes their ratings to make a splash and get people to their site, but they just moved Chriss all the way up to #3 overall.

He's the ultimate boom or bust guy.

i initially was skeptical especially given this time of year when fans are looking for any rumor. but in the end, DX doesn't strike me as the ESPN of click bait articles and non worthy updates. i generally will listen to the person who goes against the grain. not just rehashing the same things over and over. now i'm seeing other sites as well as realgm posters (including myself) singing his praises

[Devilzsidewalk]

I think Draft Express sometimes changes their ratings to make a splash and get people to their site, but they just moved Chriss all the way up to #3 overall.

He's the ultimate boom or bust guy.

i initially was skeptical especially given this time of year when fans are looking for any rumor. but in the end, DX doesn't strike me as the ESPN of click bait articles and non worthy updates. i generally will listen to the person who goes against the grain. not just rehashing the same things over and over. now i'm seeing other sites as well as realgm posters (including myself) singing his praises

They gotta be getting feedback from NBA circles I would think.

[andyhop]

DX does like to go against the grain for some reason and then return to conventional thinking at the last minute

[ace625214]

DX does like to go against the grain for some reason and then return to conventional thinking at the last minute

Makes sense as a website I guess. Drive up website traffic with controversial opinions, but then switch to the likely scenario so historically your predictions are accurate.

[Sugarless]

Can those that want us to draft Buddy give us a breakdown in minutes for this year and maybe 3 years down the road? I'm genuinely curious about how it would work and look. I'm struggling to see how he plays enough with Zach at the 2 and Wiggy being capable there as well. The bottom line is it would appear that he is going to have to play quite a lot of small forward where I'm not sure he can defend consistently or Zach is going to play quite a chunk of point guard minutes which would be a shame after he has looked so promising at the 2. Either way you move the guy from their natural position. Just as an example if you draft a guy like Luwawu you feel better about their ability to play either position regardless of opposition and makes Bazz more expendable or opens up that possibility. Again, I really like the guy but don't know how it works with him.

I think more people would be into Luwawu if he were projected to go higher, but I think people are focused on the Hield, Dunn, Murray because those 3 seem to be the consensus top prospects where we pick.
So if you're only focused on those 3, then Hield has some advantages. Shooting over Dunn and size over Murray (and possible the same position issues with Murray).

Don't let the numbers on a lower European competition and a very particular team fool you (not that they're otherwordly, either). There's a reason Luwawu is not projected higher, and that's because he's still very raw. He could end up being a nice 2-way wing but he has a ways to go in order to get there in the NBA. I think he'd benefit from playing a more organized brand of basketball on a bigger league in Europe for a year or two. Otherwise depending on where he falls he could have a couple of tough years ahead of him.

[Krapinsky]

DX does like to go against the grain for some reason and then return to conventional thinking at the last minute

I don't get that sense. I think they have a holier than thou attitude and pretty much think they are the best prognosticators. I think the last minute changes are simply just a result of what their birdies are telling them. Now that they are working with Woj, I'm sure their sources have probably doubled or tripled.

[Sugarless]

Can those that want us to draft Buddy give us a breakdown in minutes for this year and maybe 3 years down the road? I'm genuinely curious about how it would work and look. I'm struggling to see how he plays enough with Zach at the 2 and Wiggy being capable there as well. The bottom line is it would appear that he is going to have to play quite a lot of small forward where I'm not sure he can defend consistently or Zach is going to play quite a chunk of point guard minutes which would be a shame after he has looked so promising at the 2. Either way you move the guy from their natural position. Just as an example if you draft a guy like Luwawu you feel better about their ability to play either position regardless of opposition and makes Bazz more expendable or opens up that possibility. Again, I really like the guy but don't know how it works with him.

I've always thought Wiggins will be better off as a SF, and I'm happy his future is now pointing in that direction after spending quite some time as a SG his rookie year. If nothing out of the ordinary happens, I think he will spend almost all of his time at the 3 from now on, with the FO bringing a second SG either with the 5th pick or in the free agency.

So, if we were to draft Hield, the minutes at the 2 would only be split between LaVine and him, with Zach getting around 30 mpg and Buddy getting 16-18 behind him plus a few more at the SF spot. In a league that's getting smaller and smaller, having Hield play some time at SF shouldn't be that big a problem. I certainly see him as more of a 2 who could eventually play some small-ball 3 than a big combo guard, at least at this point.

[Sugarless]

DX does like to go against the grain for some reason and then return to conventional thinking at the last minute

I don't get that sense. I think they have a holier than thou attitude and pretty much think they are the best prognosticators. I think the last minute changes are simply just a result of what their birdies are telling them. Now that they are working with Woj, I'm sure their sources have probably doubled or tripled.

They've been the best in the business for years and they have a great track record, so they deserve to think to they're the best prognosticators. No one has their level of insight, their knowledge of European players and the depth in the analysis that they provide most of the time, with a huge database. Givony and his team have put a lot of work since he started the website and it's not a coincidence that they're working with Woj.

I also don't think they go against the grain gratuitously, I think they just have better sources and the draft is a very voluble process where they sometimes have to go back to what they thought previously as teams change their minds (or the info they're sending out, we know there are plenty of smokescreens these weeks).

[Takingbaconback]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ex71mgTJ4[/youtube]

I really like the way he shoots the ball, he's got a very fluid and natural release. Says Michigan St. didn't let him shoot outside the paint and showcase his ability to stretch the floor. So there isn't much in-game experience, but two way potential looks very strong with his already impressive defense, rebounding, and finishing ability near the rim. Could be similar to Myles Turner with a less developed shot.

[Killboard]

Definitely liked what I heard here...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq-ajHhjnPg[/youtube]

He seems to be a hard worker which makes sense. He improved year after year, but not only his shooting %, he has a better footwork and better handles. You hope a senior to become better with time, but I think he is above the curve in terms of the average senior improvement. I think that separates of other seniors that dont fullfill expectations like jimmer or mcdermott. They were very good shooters but too little outside of that.

His high character only should help. He will came to the league like an underdog and that's the right mentallity to have. I would be really happy if he is the pick.

[moss_is_1]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ex71mgTJ4[/youtube]

I really like the way he shoots the ball, he's got a very fluid and natural release. Says Michigan St. didn't let him shoot outside the paint and showcase his ability to stretch the floor. So there isn't much in-game experience, but two way potential looks very strong with his already impressive defense, rebounding, and finishing ability near the rim. Could be similar to Myles Turner with a less developed shot.

He might be a big riser if he performs like he could during workouts. If his shot is better then advertised might be a situation like Towns where cal didn't let him shoot the 3 either.

[Klomp]

Yeah his range definitely impressed me.

Most of the draft workout videos have been pretty meh though this year, especially the bigs. I guess we're spoiled by KAT's from last year.

[minimus]

After Fischella suggestion I watched a few scouting reports about bigmen of 2016 draft. Deyonta Davis looks very promising to me. If DEN accepts I'd offer #5, Shabazz for #7, #15 and Gary Harris. This allows DEN to get upgrade SG or PG position with talent. They already have promising frontcourt Jokic, Nurkic, Faried, Gallo and Chandler (who can play stretch 4). They need quality guards, so they might be interested in Murray, Hield, Dunn

We can draft Davis, Korkmaz. Davis can slowly play into starting 5. Korkmaz is a long term project but he looks very promising.

KAT/Dieng +Pek
Dieng/Bjelica/Davis +KG
Wiggins/???
LaVine/Harris/Korkmaz
Rubio/Jones/Korkmaz

[Sugarless]

After Fischella suggestion I watched a few scouting reports about bigmen of 2016 draft. Deyonta Davis looks very promising to me. If DEN accepts I'd offer #5, Shabazz for #7, #15 and Gary Harris. This allows DEN to get upgrade SG or PG position with talent. They already have promising frontcourt Jokic, Nurkic, Faried, Gallo and Chandler (who can play stretch 4). They need quality guards, so they might be interested in Murray, Hield, Dunn

We can draft Davis, Korkmaz. Davis can slowly play into starting 5. Korkmaz is a long term project but he looks very promising.

KAT/Dieng +Pek
Dieng/Bjelica/Davis +KG
Wiggins/???
LaVine/Harris/Korkmaz
Rubio/Jones/Korkmaz

I doubt they'd accept #5 + Bazz for #7 + Harris, though they might if they are sold on getting a certain player that might not be there at #7. But I definitely can't see them adding #15 on top of that only to move up a couple spots. Harris is a better player than Bazz, so that'd surely compensate the trade for them. Adding the 15th would mean they'd be giving up a mid-round pick for no reason, and unlike us they have the room to add multiple young guys.

[Worm Guts]

It seems far more straight forward to trade 5 for 7+15 or 7+19

[minimus]

It seems far more straight forward to trade 5 for 7+15 or 7+19

Yeah. If Thibs finds FA veterans to fill our needs I'd look for long term projects who can be potential steals. Davis, Korkmaz fits this criteria

[Devilzsidewalk]

DX does like to go against the grain for some reason and then return to conventional thinking at the last minute

I don't get that sense. I think they have a holier than thou attitude and pretty much think they are the best prognosticators. I think the last minute changes are simply just a result of what their birdies are telling them. Now that they are working with Woj, I'm sure their sources have probably doubled or tripled.

possibly even quattuordecupled

[Devilzsidewalk]

After Fischella suggestion I watched a few scouting reports about bigmen of 2016 draft. Deyonta Davis looks very promising to me. If DEN accepts I'd offer #5, Shabazz for #7, #15 and Gary Harris. This allows DEN to get upgrade SG or PG position with talent. They already have promising frontcourt Jokic, Nurkic, Faried, Gallo and Chandler (who can play stretch 4). They need quality guards, so they might be interested in Murray, Hield, Dunn

We can draft Davis, Korkmaz. Davis can slowly play into starting 5. Korkmaz is a long term project but he looks very promising.

KAT/Dieng +Pek
Dieng/Bjelica/Davis +KG
Wiggins/???
LaVine/Harris/Korkmaz
Rubio/Jones/Korkmaz

I doubt they'd accept #5 + Bazz for #7 + Harris, though they might if they are sold on getting a certain player that might not be there at #7. But I definitely can't see them adding #15 on top of that only to move up a couple spots. Harris is a better player than Bazz, so that'd surely compensate the trade for them. Adding the 15th would mean they'd be giving up a mid-round pick for no reason, and unlike us they have the room to add multiple young guys.

Could also do it w/ the 19 instead of 15, or else the original trade sans Harris. The 7 and the 15 pick is prime real estate; I'd definitely trade the 5 and Bazz for that pair of picks.

[wolves_89]

It seems far more straight forward to trade 5 for 7+15 or 7+19

It seems unlikely to me that Thibs wants more rookies that have a lower chance of contributing. I'm not sure that Thibs wants any new rookies. and from recent rumors the guy they might be looking at (Dunn) is the the one closest to being an NBA rotation player. I think the chances of trading the pick for an NBA ready player is much higher than trading the pick for two lesser picks.

[Mattya]

If we trade back to 7 and pick up one of those picks in the teens then i'm still taking whoever is left over from Bender, Murray, Dunn, Brown, Hield and the hoping Skal or Maker makes it to one of those later picks.