Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Rashodamus]

Those are already sunk costs, and neither displaces KAT from his favorite position, like Whiteside would? It signals that the Wolves have lost faith in him learning to defend underneath, and are moving on.

It’s all speculation.

Its not like they would be signing him in free agency, do you think KAT is in some bubble? He wanted Butler gone, hes well aware of the situation and understands if were going to move him we have to take the best talent we can get back, even if it plays his position.

I think its ridiculous to think KAT is oblivious to the scenario which he is majorly involved in and has no understanding that we are somewhat stuck in what we get back. Obviously he knows were trying to move him and likely getting **** offers, do you think for a second KAT wants him back rather than literally any other players we could get?

I think worrying about KATs feelings being hurt about having to accommodate a new player he likely played a role in bringing there is silly.

[twix2500]

Any word on Butler returning to practice?

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[Loyal[]Wolf]

There might be when we return to Minnesota after the Clippers game.

[Rashodamus]

Gonna be lots of rumors - most teams are gonna bank that we'll cave to their lowball offer. We'd prolly all do the same.

Jimmy has himself in a situation he didn't see coming ... teams are unwilling to pony up a qualty asset. He has somewhat created this mess...

The deal should have been done already, we blew it. As soon as Butler becoming available came up numerous teams were inquiring and the wolves shut them down. They had an opportunity to take advantage of the short window, to make teams think this is going down ASAP.

I wish Taylor would have literally said he will be gone by Sunday. Brainlets think that removes our leverage but it absolutely does not, it instills urgency and reduces teams time to play games, spread rumors etc. At an auction theres no point in throwing out another bid until the hammer is going to fall. If you set a short deadline it takes away the option for teams to wait for us to get desperate, which is exactly what is happening now. We killed off the interest of multiple teams and did not give them any reason for urgency, rumors are we are asking for things like Ben Simmons and that kind of insanity is only going to make teams tune out and lower our leverage.

You dont up your bid until theres going to be a sale. We have not shown we are realistic about selling, there is no urgency among teams anymore, and the longer it drags out the less leverage we have. If hes not gone by Friday we should simply cut ties and make him inactive for the year and tell him not to show up and fire Thibs/Layden.

[Mattya]

My guess on Heat deal..

Current offer is Dragic, Whiteside and Waiters for Jimmy, Dieng and Teague. Wolves want Richardson and/or Bam to replace Waiters and/or Whiteside. If Heat even replace one then I think it’s a done deal.

[AirP.]

I wish Taylor would have literally said he will be gone by Sunday. Brainlets think that removes our leverage but it absolutely does not, it instills urgency and reduces teams time to play games, spread rumors etc. At an auction theres no point in throwing out another bid until the hammer is going to fall. If you set a short deadline it takes away the option for teams to wait for us to get desperate, which is exactly what is happening now. We killed off the interest of multiple teams and did not give them any reason for urgency, rumors are we are asking for things like Ben Simmons and that kind of insanity is only going to make teams tune out and lower our leverage.

You dont up your bid until theres going to be a sale. We have not shown we are realistic about selling, there is no urgency among teams anymore, and the longer it drags out the less leverage we have. If hes not gone by Friday we should simply cut ties and make him inactive for the year and tell him not to show up and fire Thibs/Layden.

Interesting because the last time a bigtime player became available in a short window, Sacramento didn't get all that much for Cousins.

[ifrosty13]

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

You guys really need more hobbies. It's just like when people were telling us that Wiggins wouldn't be included in the Love trade, which we obviously stated "Well, then the Cavs won't be getting Love." Same $hit different year, stop acting like Riley is somehow going to pull it off without giving Richardson up, it's silly and a waste of everyone's time.

You sound really defensive, I'm just applying history in past Riley trades. I have reiterated multiple times that if Minnesota finds a better deal, Riley will budge and throw in Richardson and the trade is done, but really don't think he has yet or we probably would have heard about an announcement a while back ago. All news outlet continue to say that Miami isn't offering Richardson and you're trying to attack me like I'm saying something blasphemous. Again, let me reiterate because it doesn't seem like I'm getting through to some here, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH JRICH BEING ADDED TO THE DEAL, but also understand why Riley hasn't felt the need to offer him yet.

[KGdaBom]

That dude Howard Cosell is literally just throwing chit at the wall until something sticks and will claim he called it. I still have serious doubts about Jrich being included in the package as much as this board might not like to hear that.

Unless someone put in a better offer than Miami that we don't know about that forces Riley's hand I don't see why he would feel like he needs to up his past offers. If chit get tight, I think he feels forced to throw him in, but we have had no indication that any other team is in serious conversation with Minnesota, we heard inklings of Houston which have gone silent since (which sounds like a leverage play) and a bunch of offers that have been rejected by other team, meanwhile, Miami's name keeps coming up.

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

If the Miami package isn't good enough to be accepted it doesn't matter if nobody else is bidding. The only way it is good enough is if Richardson is in it.

[ifrosty13]

I think Riley has to pull the trigger on this deal, and can't believe that J Rich is his sticking point. How will he look if we trade Butler to another team for a lesser offer out of spite?
JRich is the center piece coming back or there is no deal. And even then you are getting the better end of the deal.
Start playing games and another team swoops in you will lose some of your fans.

I don't think it's his sticking point, he just rather leave him out of it and will unless he absolutely has to. I just don't see him bidding against himself. If someone comes along and puts together a better package than what the heat are offering (which I believe it's "take your pick from anyone on the team except for Bam and Jrich") then I can see him being forced to throw in Jrich, until that happens, I don't think he bites (hence why I believe so many rumors with other teams have come along, kind of like leverage).

If the Miami package isn't good enough to be accepted it doesn't matter if nobody else is bidding. The only way it is good enough is if Richardson is in it.

We can agree to that -- it doesn't mean Minnesota hasn't felt pressured to make a deal soon. Who knows what they're thinking? All that has been reported is what a mess that front office has been for a while and how difficult they are to trade with. All I can assume is that Riley doesn't feel any pressure yet hence why we keep hearing Richardson hasn't been included yet and is just waiting to see if they accept another package.

[raferfenix]

Hey Wolves fans, curious what salaries you think the Bucks would be sending back in addition to Bledsoe + Brogdon if we agree to take on Dieng?

Henson and Dellevadova have fewer years left on their contracts. Snell has history with Thibs (though not clear whether that is a positive or negative) and plays a position of need but has that extra year on his deal.

Or do you think the only way to a deal would be involving the Kings or Suns and getting you ending contracts instead?

[AirP.]

If the Miami package isn't good enough to be accepted it doesn't matter if nobody else is bidding. The only way it is good enough is if Richardson is in it.

I'm trying to figure out why Richardson is such an important piece when Okogie may be able to give Minnesota nearly the same thing as him in a year or 2.

Richardson is a good solid piece I guess but in a couple of years I don't think he's a difference maker on this team, just a decent starter, which Okogie might be by then also. If the tables were turned, people would be tearing Thibs apart to not give up Richardson for Butler, especially when Miami wants to move on from Whiteside, wanting to dump Waiters and Dragic is getting up there in age(32) but his style probably keeps him at a pretty high level for 2-3 more years.

If you want pieces for the future, the best thing would be wait till the trade deadline and let teams who think they may have a chance give up some of their future for a shot at the title this year and if it works out they can pay him to stay. Right now you're just getting offers from teams wanting to move some salaries/players they no longer want and also get to have Butler's bird rights.

[twix2500]

There might be when we return to Minnesota after the Clippers game.

I think this might be heading to the Dec 15th date. When teams can trade players they signed this past summer. Maybe teams can give a different combo option of players.

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[shrink]

If he goes to the press tomorrow, and says he’s not happy in MIN, that ain’t good. He doesn’t have to fake injuries for 5 years (anyone remember Vince Carter tanking his value?).

And before we hear the “he’s too loyal,” remember that he wasn’t going to sign an extension here until he discussed things with management.

And if that happened you literally show him his contract and say I will see you at target center on the court playing for the wolves, or in street clothes as a non NBA player wishing they still made 30M a year.

It’s naive to think that’s a possibility.

[Rashodamus]

I wish Taylor would have literally said he will be gone by Sunday. Brainlets think that removes our leverage but it absolutely does not, it instills urgency and reduces teams time to play games, spread rumors etc. At an auction theres no point in throwing out another bid until the hammer is going to fall. If you set a short deadline it takes away the option for teams to wait for us to get desperate, which is exactly what is happening now. We killed off the interest of multiple teams and did not give them any reason for urgency, rumors are we are asking for things like Ben Simmons and that kind of insanity is only going to make teams tune out and lower our leverage.

You dont up your bid until theres going to be a sale. We have not shown we are realistic about selling, there is no urgency among teams anymore, and the longer it drags out the less leverage we have. If hes not gone by Friday we should simply cut ties and make him inactive for the year and tell him not to show up and fire Thibs/Layden.

Interesting because the last time a bigtime player became available in a short window, Sacramento didn't get all that much for Cousins.

And Cousins just signed for the MLE, he has his own set of problems. Theres literally no other player in the NBA with his level of talent or productivity which wouldnt get numerous max offers, hes a special case.

[SBM]

Hey Wolves fans, curious what salaries you think the Bucks would be sending back in addition to Bledsoe + Brogdon if we agree to take on Dieng?

Henson and Dellevadova have fewer years left on their contracts. Snell has history with Thibs (though not clear whether that is a positive or negative) and plays a position of need but has that extra year on his deal.

Or do you think the only way to a deal would be involving the Kings or Suns and getting you ending contracts instead?

Butler is not getting traded. None of the suggestions you guys claim to have heard of make any sense. Why would they want Brogdon with all the guards they would have?

[Rashodamus]

There might be when we return to Minnesota after the Clippers game.

I think this might be heading to the Dec 15th date. When teams can trade players they signed this past summer. Maybe teams can give a different combo option of players.

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If something isnt done soon then thats the next time our situation improves with teams having more flexibility and options. Unfortunately I dont think it brings a significantly bigger return, maybe just a better fitting one. And I think the harm done to the team by prolonging it would be worse than the quality upgrade we would get in a deal.

[Klomp]

I'm trying to figure out why Richardson is such an important piece when Okogie may be able to give Minnesota nearly the same thing as him in a year or 2.

Because having more than one good player at a similar position is allowed in the NBA.

Why was Jayson Tatum an important piece for Boston when Jaylen Brown may be able to give Boston nearly the same thing as him in a year or 2?

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Gonna be lots of rumors - most teams are gonna bank that we'll cave to their lowball offer. We'd prolly all do the same.

Jimmy has himself in a situation he didn't see coming ... teams are unwilling to pony up a qualty asset. He has somewhat created this mess...

I wish Taylor would have literally said he will be gone by Sunday.

Kidding me? Taylor would of had to accept Joakim Noah because if Taylor puts a deadline nobody will offer anything. Get out of here clown. Taylor is the one who shouldn't of said anything and he is the one to be fired; not Thibs/Layden.

[twix2500]

There might be when we return to Minnesota after the Clippers game.

I think this might be heading to the Dec 15th date. When teams can trade players they signed this past summer. Maybe teams can give a different combo option of players.

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If something isnt done soon then thats the next time our situation improves with teams having more flexibility and options. Unfortunately I dont think it brings a significantly bigger return, maybe just a better fitting one. And I think the harm done to the team by prolonging it would be worse than the quality upgrade we would get in a deal.

I don't a bigger return is realistic. But like you said a better fit it's probably the best hope if the Wolves expecting to get something in return for Butler

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[KGdaBom]

There might be when we return to Minnesota after the Clippers game.

I think this might be heading to the Dec 15th date. When teams can trade players they signed this past summer. Maybe teams can give a different combo option of players.

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If something isnt done soon then thats the next time our situation improves with teams having more flexibility and options. Unfortunately I dont think it brings a significantly bigger return, maybe just a better fitting one. And I think the harm done to the team by prolonging it would be worse than the quality upgrade we would get in a deal.

IF we don't trade Butler for a while and he follows through on his threat to sit out that would be awesome. In 30 days we have his rights for this year and keep them for next year.